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[Howlsfury]

Care full what you wish for, you may just get Snoo Snoo

[KainD]

Howlsfury wrote...




Care full what you wish for, you may just get Snoo Snoo

See, this is ridicilous and too much, because even a guy with a muscle mass like that looks ugly. 

[Howlsfury]

To clarify i'am fine with some one wanting to play a buff woman, its an RPG, role play what you like, as long as the extra features in the CC don't detract from the rest of the game its all good. its all just a matter of taste in the end.

[HiroVoid]

I remember before DAII released, that Hawke's body type might change depending on what class you took. It didn't happen, but I thought it was a neat idea.

[philippe willaume]

Oberkaiser wrote...

You've heard some credible information but you obviously filled in the gaps yourself. Fully plated knights rode into battle on horses, and falling off your horse was considered a death sentence. This is because a dismounted knight was easily knocked over and overpowered by multiple opponents. Even one lightly armored footman could circle around a knight, who wasn't only slow but had barely any visibility at all. Moreover, back then the only "fencing" melee combatants knew was to swing your sword faster than the enemy. Fencing with longswords is a modern invention attributed to historic reconstruction groups.

By the way, even though I know a lot about medieval warfare I am not familiar with the term "plate armor cannot be bested". I think citation is in order.

And citing supposed military experience as a way to gain credibility when obviously every point you've made is either completely or partially false just makes you look like a sad poser.

Speaking of which
I am dumfonded to learn that they did 15 century re-enactment in the 15th century because you have about 20 fencing manuals written in that period.

I-33 (tower of london) sword and bucler treatise
Fiore de libery 4 book from around 1390-1410
Hans Tahloffer 6 books (look for the Thott edition)
Paulus Kal, peter von dantizig, Sigmund Ein Ringeck and all the othere glossator of the lichtanauer mnemonique verses (all in the around 1440-1460)
hanko dobringer fist mention of lichtanauer
Von speyer glosing of lichtaneuer in 1490
Paulo Vadi
le jeu de la hache


now  if your armor prevent you to move (and by that i mean get up and down a horse, break fall get back up quickly) or pervent you to see, GET IT FIXED, it does NOT WORK as it should.

phil

Modifié par philippe willaume, 24 mars 2013 - 09:26 .

[Overdosing]

KainD wrote...

Howlsfury wrote...




Care full what you wish for, you may just get Snoo Snoo

See, this is ridicilous and too much, because even a guy with a muscle mass like that looks ugly. 

Yes, this is ridiculous. Unless BioWare really, really wants to go this route...

[lady_v23]

Adanu wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

Yeah uh get back to me when you have pictures of soldier's that are as heavily trained as an N7 graduate would be, or a sword swinging soldier. These athletic builds are all fine and good but they are for specific sports. Given the caloric intake that the Mass Effect Universe claims a soldier has people might want to rethink exactly how Shepard would look. Also how has the changes in the human body progressed in all that time? If you can have somebody with Miranda's curves I'm guessing it hasn't changed much. LOL!

OK, about modern soldiers. First off, the Mass effect codex saying soldiers caloric intake being 3000 is off, way off. Atleast for soldiers from active combat units. From personel experience I can tell you that military doctors recommend 7800+ calories, triple that of a regular joe from the street (again, only for combat units). It may seem alot, but compare to the 10k+ of olympic athletes. Now you may think "wow, how come they don't get fat with so much calories?". It's actualy simple. Alot of people when going on a diet fail to factor the human body amazing ability to adept. If you start consuming 7800 caloriues a day (without excercise), than you will gain weight quickly in the first month or so; after that your body will adjust to the new intake and "burn" those 7800 calories without turning it all to fat. I met plenty of skinny people who tried to gain weight by increasing their intake to 5k, and than when they stopped gaining weight they decreased it back to normal and ended up losing more weight; In the end they had to continue with the 5k intake just so they won't lose weight.
Back on topic of modern soldiers. Some people have the misconcepiton that once you join the army you spend the next deacde doing push ups 24/7. obviously that's not true. Boot camp and bacsic training do have intense physical training to bring you up to military standards; but after your first year, except for daily excercises, fitness in no longer the focus. There's more focus on skill than raw power (that's why most soldiers you meet in ME and IRL look more like shepard and less like vega...). In modern combat you're suppose to shoot the enemy not lifting him over your head. In my unit noone can deny that we were in peak shape, but although none of us could realy be considered "fat" (I was fat before joining up and lost 20kg) the majority of soldiers in the unit didn't have washboard abs or bulging muscles.

Medieval soldiers. Your average knight had a what you would call "condensed" build. They were usually short, with 6ft giants being a rarity. All the soliders were in amazing shape, even the archers; a longbowmen could easily lift 80kg with his main hand, and an average knight Vs knight combat was an hour long ordeal where the loser succumbed not due to injury but simple fatigue. They weren't "ripped" or "shredded", though they were obviously very muscular. Knights (and archers) were given extra rations compared to the rest of the sodiers, so maintaining their body fat ratio wasn't a problem.

Dear God, this is perhaps the biggest load of garbage I ever read in my life.

Dear God, the ignorance of some posters in relation to actual realities of caloric intake for combat units is amazing.

If you're wondering, I'm talking about you, David.

guys, don't forget this is a gaming forum.  So don't expect much..

[lady_v23]

bobobo878 wrote...

Bioware games totally need more muscular women tbh. They should look something like this.

lmao!  YES!

[samgrave]

I've got an idea, why not let the protagonist "become more muscular" as the game progresses? That would add a new dimension to the game play and make you feel that your charachters level-ups and experiences are reflected in more ways than in mere statistics.It would also make the game more realistic. For instance, in DA II, Hawke's story progressed for over a period of 10 years. During that period s/he constantly faught monsters and foes and trained constantly, but never gained an ounce of muscle mass from beginnng to end. Not too conceivable eh?

Modifié par samgrave, 25 mars 2013 - 12:16 .

[HiroVoid]

samgrave wrote...

I've got an idea, why not let the protagonist "become more muscular" as the game progresses? That would add a new dimension to the gam play and make you feel that your charachters level-ups and experiences are reflected in more ways than in mere statistics.It would also make the game more realistic. For instance, in DA II, Hawke's story progressed for over a period of 10 years. During that period s/he constantly faught monsters and foes and trained constantly, but never gained an ounce of muscle mass from beginnng to end. Not too conceivable eh?

So make it like Fable?

[The Spirit of Dance]

Did Male Hawke always have body hair or is that some kind of mod? Sorry been a while since I put my DA2 in the PS3.

[samgrave]

HiroVoid wrote...

samgrave wrote...

I've got an idea, why not let the protagonist "become more muscular" as the game progresses? That would add a new dimension to the gam play and make you feel that your charachters level-ups and experiences are reflected in more ways than in mere statistics.It would also make the game more realistic. For instance, in DA II, Hawke's story progressed for over a period of 10 years. During that period s/he constantly faught monsters and foes and trained constantly, but never gained an ounce of muscle mass from beginnng to end. Not too conceivable eh?

So make it like Fable?

Fable had the right idea, but fell short on executing it. The ideas was for the charachter to get svars too along  with the number of times s/he was hit, but this, like the muscles, turned out to be false, as your PC would get them to no more or less degree by the end of the game no matter of how many times you fought monsters. So perhaps redo this idea and make it right? That is, have the muscles grow with your PC's experience, rather than just tack a new body model on at the beginning of each act, unless it is suppose to mark the passing of considerable amount of time in which the charachter has been "keeping busy".

[Fiacre]

samgrave wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

samgrave wrote...

I've got an idea, why not let the protagonist "become more muscular" as the game progresses? That would add a new dimension to the gam play and make you feel that your charachters level-ups and experiences are reflected in more ways than in mere statistics.It would also make the game more realistic. For instance, in DA II, Hawke's story progressed for over a period of 10 years. During that period s/he constantly faught monsters and foes and trained constantly, but never gained an ounce of muscle mass from beginnng to end. Not too conceivable eh?

So make it like Fable?

Fable had the right idea, but fell short on executing it. The ideas was for the charachter to get svars too along  with the number of times s/he was hit, but this, like the muscles, turned out to be false, as your PC would get them to no more or less degree by the end of the game no matter of how many times you fought monsters. So perhaps redo this idea and make it right? That is, have the muscles grow with your PC's experience, rather than just tack a new body model on at the beginning of each act, unless it is suppose to mark the passing of considerable amount of time in which the charachter has been "keeping busy".

At least in 2 and 3 the scars were dependant on how many times you got knocked out, which I thought was all right. (Usually when I play Fable 2, I just get scars intentionally. Not in 3, though. tried that in one playthrough, and goodness, did they manage to make those scars ugly.)

And I think in Fable 3 the bulk is done better as well. I haven't actually played a female PC in that game, but the male model in 2 was just as ugly as the female one when fully bulked up. In 3 you, IIRC, get broader shoulders -- couple that with some more muscle definition (don't know if that happnes, actually... The only time I regularly ran around shirtless was with a character who used a giant hammer as his primary weapon. And then only at the end of the game, when he was maxed out anyway.) and it should be fine.

[Argetfalcon]

The only buff woman i want if a female Qunari LI

[Xerxes52]

Personally I thought femhawke's body style was fine in DA2. Her arms were not "noodly" like femshep in ME.

The one thing that could work would be to make the arms look more toned and defined via texture changes rather than creating a completely different model.

[Shazzie]

I would LOVE my warrior characters to look like Rousey. Maybe because I have such a girlcrush on her it ain't even funny (I could be silly and say she can armbar me anytime... or maybe not, since that would probably hurt, a lot), but also because she's got the perfect 'warrior build' in my mind. I wouldn't  like my characters to have crazy built-up bodybuilder muscles. I would  like my characters to have muscle tone, particularly if they're of the warrior (or even rogue) types. Still totally feminine, but still obviously warriors.

I don't think most people are asking for bulky muscles on women when they ask for 'more muscles'. Most of those asking for it are probably just wanting some muscle tone, some muscle definition, since that's what women who work for it usually get. The bodybuilding type of muscle work is something entirely different.... and much more rare.

Modifié par Shazzie, 25 mars 2013 - 04:21 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Howlsfury wrote...




Care full what you wish for, you may just get Snoo Snoo

That is revolting! Women should not look like THAT.

[Fredward]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...
That is revolting! Women should not look like THAT.

-readies popcorn-

[Bfler]

Normal women, even the more powerfully built black ones, don't look like that without steroids and weight gainer. That's absolutely impossible. And in my opinion it also looks disgusting.

Modifié par Bfler, 25 mars 2013 - 06:12 .

[Oberkaiser]

Look at the little plastic discs she has for breasts. It's hilarious.

[KainD]

Bfler wrote...

Normal women, even the more powerfully built black ones, don't look like that without steroids and weight gainer. That's absolutely impossible. And in my opinion it also looks disgusting.

Don't look like what? We just want more athletic women than what bioware does. Do you see the difference between this: 


and this:



Because the difference is huge, and one looks like a house wife, while the other one actually looks like she can pack a punch. 

Now tell me if you think the second one looks atrocious. 

Modifié par KainD, 25 mars 2013 - 07:55 .

[KainD]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

Howlsfury wrote...




Care full what you wish for, you may just get Snoo Snoo

That is revolting! Women should not look like THAT.

Neither should men. 

[KiwiQuiche]

[quote]Oberkaiser wrote...

Am I supposed to be surprised that BSN regulars don't know that 99% of females can't put on muscle mass naturally, without testosterone and growth hormones?[/quote]

...pfft lol

[quote]HAG1686 wrote...

I agree with the general sentiment of
this thread (more customization in how our characters look). However,
did you really need to be so insulting, OP? I know plenty of women who
look like FHawke, myself included, who have no trouble "lifting a
cardboard box." Smaller women and bigger women all put on muscle
differently, and their looks often don't indicate their actual, physical
strength. So, yes, I would really like to customize exactly how my
character's body looks, as per my own headcanon of what's appropriate,
but maybe we shouldn't go around invalidating other body types as
"unrealistic."[/quote]

Oh really? Yes, how dare I say that a pair of women who spend years fighting opponents  in heavy armour and weilding numerous weapons, sometimes massive shotguns and swords, have the muscle-mass of civilians.

And when did I say Hawke/Shepard's body type was 'unrealistic' in everyday life? It's unrealistic because these two women have been fighting for years yet they remain thin with small muscles. And unless you and your friends go around fighting Reapers and Templars in armour, then you comparing yourself and friends to Shepard and Hawke is 'unrealistic'

[quote]AshenShug4r wrote...

For females to get real big, they
need to be on male hormones. This will blur the line between what is
male and what's female. If you want a big + strong female, she's
probably going to be carrying a bit of fat.
Make the women a bit
thicker if you must, but a 'buff female' requires a little more than a
penchant for violence and a big sword.[/quote]
Seriously, lol.
Yeah, haven't you played ME or DA? The constant killings that occur on there shows some obvious penchant for violence.

[quote]Adanu wrote...

Women can't get as much musclemass as men can, and the models reflect that.

Find something else to whine about, feminist.[/quote]

You say that word like I'm supposed to be offended by it.

[quote]Deebo305 wrote...

SoI guess nobody remembers Fenris then and his bean pole body?[/quote]
I hated everything about Fenris, from his wangst to his scrawy arms that some how managed to keep that sword upright. My two-handed Lady Hawke wasn't any better though.



[quote]iOnlySignIn wrote...

Since my thread was locked, I'll just put this here.






[/quote]

[quote]slimgrin wrote...

[quote]Bfler wrote...

This thread is hilarious.
A
normal woman will never get such muscles like the athletes on some of
the pictures here without help. And the women on that pictures only get
them with help of weight gainers and/or anabolic drugs.[/quote]

Steroid and drug free:




And she'd mop the floor with most men on this forum.

[/quote]

I approve of this big, muscle-bound beautiful ladies.
Seriously, all of those folk claiming how a woman can only be buff if she's on male-drugs. Use google or something.

[quote]Sejborg wrote...

Kill it with fire!! 

Edit:
To
add something more than the instant shock to that creature to my post, I
would say, that I don't mind if female PC's got a little more muscle
tone. But they should still maintain their feminity. [/quote]

[quote]Chiramu wrote...

No.

I don't want a female weight-lifter and I'm sure no romance companion would want to make love to one. They are disgusting.

I would rather have a weak looking character that throws like a geek.[/quote]

Wow, I hope you two never get girlfriends if you are that shallow, thinking women who have muscles are disgusting and aren't feminine. You two need to go buy Bayonetta or Lollipop Chainsaw then.

[quote]supremebloodwolf wrote...

Did Male Hawke always have body hair or is that some kind of mod? Sorry been a while since I put my DA2 in the PS3.[/quote]

Hairy Hawke

[quote]Bfler wrote...

Normal women, even the more powerfully
built black ones, don't look like that without steroids and weight
gainer. That's absolutely impossible. And in my opinion it also looks
disgusting.[/quote]

I agree, there are limits. I don't want a massive bulging lady who looks like that image- I want one with muscles who looks like she could punch me out, like the quoted ladies in my post.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 25 mars 2013 - 08:03 .