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[Lennard Testarossa]

KiwiQuiche wrote...
I approve of this big, muscle-bound beautiful ladies.

As I have already pointed out, olympians are not good examples for fit females as their bodies are optimized to be good for a specific sport. That first pic you quoted has a swimmer who essentially has a male upper body (extremely broad shoulders and no ******) as that is what you need to have to excel at swimming. A female warrior would look nothing like that. Indeed, the only good example from the pictures you quoted is the last one.

Modifié par Lennard Testarossa, 25 mars 2013 - 08:08 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...
I approve of this big, muscle-bound beautiful ladies.

As I have already pointed out, olympians are not good examples for fit females as their bodies are optimized to be good for a specific sport. That first pic you quoted has a swimmer who essentially has a male upper body (extremely broad shoulders and no ******) as that is what you need to have to excel at swimming. A female warrior would look nothing like that. Indeed, the only good example from the pictures you quoted is the last one.

So you must have big ****** to be a woman now? Interesting.

[KainD]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

So you must have big ****** to be a woman now? Interesting.

Well maybe not big, but bigger than that of a man for sure. That and other body parts is what makes you man/woman. 

[Bfler]

KainD wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Normal women, even the more powerfully built black ones, don't look like that without steroids and weight gainer. That's absolutely impossible. And in my opinion it also looks disgusting.

Don't look like what? 

The woman two posts above my previous post.

[Lennard Testarossa]

KiwiQuiche wrote...
So you must have big ****** to be a woman now? Interesting.

Her upper body looks very male. Extreme chest muscle training will change the way your breasts look. Just look at female body builders.

Also: More strawman, please. Interesting how that is the only thing you replied to.

[KiwiQuiche]

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...
So you must have big ****** to be a woman now? Interesting.

Her upper body looks very male. Extreme chest muscle training will change the way your breasts look. Just look at female body builders.

Also: More strawman, please. Interesting how that is the only thing you replied to.

That word does not mean what you think it means.

Because it was relevant? It seems to be a staple reaction from people here- buff body with small/not large ******- obviously a steriod-ladened she-male who is disgusting and unnatural. The broad shoulders and small boobs seems a relevant build for archers and warriors- then need thick shoulders and arm muscles to move their equipment quickly and easily. As do the other bodies, such as the runner being a good one for a Rogue, being lean and fast.

[Topsider]

Howlsfury wrote...




Care full what you wish for, you may just get Snoo Snoo

She looks awful, but some female bodybuilders are even more hideous. One has veins popping out above her chest and around the shoulders... and well, ghastly is the only word that describes it.

Even the "buff" athletes are a bit too manly, I think... but at least they look human. meh. I'll take a classic beauty any day.

[Lennard Testarossa]

KiwiQuiche wrote...
That word does not mean what you think it means.

I am fairly certain it means exactly what I think it means.

KiwiQuiche wrote...
Because it was relevant? It seems to be a staple reaction from people here- buff body with small/not large ******- obviously a steriod-ladened she-male who is disgusting and unnatural. The broad shoulders and small boobs seems a relevant build for archers and warriors- then need thick shoulders and arm muscles to move their equipment quickly and easily. As do the other bodies, such as the runner being a good one for a Rogue, being lean and fast.

I've said nothing about the women in the pictures being on steroids. What I tried to point out to you is that the fitness required for a specific sport is not the same as the fitness required for fighting, which is of a far more general sort. If you want good examples of that, look at fighters such as the one in the last picture you quoted or better yet, look at female soldiers.

You will notice that the latter look nothing like olympians. A purely intuitive understanding of which kind of body is helpful for fighting based on what muscle groups you think are useful isn't likely to be very accurate.

[KiwiQuiche]

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...
That word does not mean what you think it means.

I am fairly certain it means exactly what I think it means.

KiwiQuiche wrote...
Because it was relevant? It seems to be a staple reaction from people here- buff body with small/not large ******- obviously a steriod-ladened she-male who is disgusting and unnatural. The broad shoulders and small boobs seems a relevant build for archers and warriors- then need thick shoulders and arm muscles to move their equipment quickly and easily. As do the other bodies, such as the runner being a good one for a Rogue, being lean and fast.

I've said nothing about the women in the pictures being on steroids. What I tried to point out to you is that the fitness required for a specific sport is not the same as the fitness required for fighting, which is of a far more general sort. If you want good examples of that, look at fighters such as the one in the last picture you quoted or better yet, look at female soldiers.

You will notice that the latter look nothing like olympians. A purely intuitive understanding of which kind of body is helpful for fighting based on what muscle groups you think are useful isn't likely to be very accurate.

Strawman-a person used as a cover for some questionable activity.
So yeah, when was I doing that?

Note how I said "a staple reaction from people here" not you specifically.

Still, having warriors like Hawke and Shepard have incredibly thin-to barely any- muscles is simply foolish and looks out of place, especially compared to their male counterparts, who are nearly too buffed. Bioware needs to compromise somewhere, and stop making the comparison so incredibly jarring.

[JorieSilver]

Wow. Really? Now I know why Bioware female models have arms skinnier than Barbie dolls. Because apparently, lots of people like them that way. Since when are buff women unattractive? Biceps are sexy, peeps.

Is it really 8 pages worth of controversial to say we'd like to play a lady who doesn't look like she'd have trouble opening a particularly heavy door, let alone swing a longsword?

Though we are talking about the same people who made Mass Effect 2, with its ****** belts, side boob, and butt cleavage. We can't have character models that appear strong and wear combat appropriate outfits! That would be UGLY.

Also: For the record, the sort of swimsuits competitive swimmers wear are *tight.* They really compress your breasts. I'm not saying that swimmer would be Pam Anderson in street clothes, but no man with such well muscled shoulders would have moobs anywhere near as big as her breasts probably are. Not that it matters, but still.

[Jadebaby]

I think a way for everyone to win would be to give each class a different body type. Even the Male rogue and male warriors classes should be different, the male rogue being more toned and ripped like Zevran or something, while the male Warrior could be more "tankish" like Sten or something.

This should apply to both males and females respectively and it's definitely something that should be applied to the female warrior class. It's the reason I never chose female warrior in DA2, too unrealistic.

In my opinion it should go warriors, mages, rogues in terms of muscle bulk, with warriors at the top and rogues at the bottom. Sure Mages only use magic and it could be argued rogues should have more muscle, but it would still take a lot of fitness to be able to control and manipulate that lyrium right?

[Commander Kurt]

There are actual human beings who look like this (both regarding femShep and body builders), saying that they look disgusting is a really really hurtful thing to do.

Don't make me call your parents.

[KiwiQuiche]

Commander Kurt wrote...

There are actual human beings who look like this (both regarding femShep and body builders), saying that they look disgusting is a really really hurtful thing to do.

Don't make me call your parents.

If you are referring to me, I've never called them disgusting. The ones complaing about having a buff PC in DAI on the other hand...

[David7204]

On that note, people constantly proclaim that the very existence of female characters with big breasts or whatever in stories is sexism and obviously has no purpose but to 'lure in' 13 year old boys.

They're maybe a little more subtle, but that's the gist of it.

I wonder if they consider how women who actually look like that in real life are supposed to feel.

Modifié par David7204, 25 mars 2013 - 10:21 .

[KiwiQuiche]

David7204 wrote...

On that note, people constantly proclaim that the very existence of female characters with big breasts or whatever in stories is sexism and obviously has no purpose but to 'lure in' 13 year old boys.

They're maybe a little more subtle, but that's the gist of it.

I wonder if they consider how women who actually look like that in real life are supposed to feel.

Hey, I never stated anything like that, and we don't need another sexism thread so don't start trying to derail my thread with it, David.

[Eleinehmm]

David7204 wrote...

On that note, people constantly proclaim that the very existence of female characters with big breasts or whatever in stories is sexism and obviously has no purpose but to 'lure in' 13 year old boys.

They're maybe a little more subtle, but that's the gist of it.

I wonder if they consider how women who actually look like that in real life are supposed to feel.

As a person who has a body that is very close to the conventional beauty standard.  I am ok with this and I am with people who want more different body shapes for female characters, don’t try to  derail the thread  please.

[David7204]

I didn't say you did, but enough people have over the forums. Or rather, they've complained about the figures of characters and weren't able to give me a more specific and consistent reason under examination, so I felt comfortable making that conclusion.

Modifié par David7204, 25 mars 2013 - 10:36 .

[KiwiQuiche]

David7204 wrote...

I didn't say you did, but enough people have over the forums. Or rather, they've complained about the figures of characters and weren't able to give me a more specific and consistent reason under examination, so I felt comfortable making that conclusion.

Hmm, well regardless we don't need another crazed sexism thread, so no need to cast a spark. Gwyn knows I've seen enough of them over yonder alone.

[Eleinehmm]

David7204 wrote...

I didn't say you did, but enough people have over the forums. Or rather, they've complained about the figures of characters and weren't able to give me a more specific and consistent reason under examination, so I felt comfortable making that conclusion.

How about not speaking for other people? Unless you are this woman, whose feelings were hurt by  the pro-diversity crowed comments, you probably should stay silent. 

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 25 mars 2013 - 10:43 .

[David7204]

I think you misunderstood. I haven't seen any women with big breasts complaining about the 'pro-diversity' crowd. I've seen people complain about characters on the grounds that they have big breasts and not much else.

[JorieSilver]

I think the real issue is that people (myself included) don't want to feel like a super model swinging a sword--we want to look at our characters and watch them move and feel *powerful*, and the current female models don't give that. It's not that anyone thinks femshep looks gross.

[Eleinehmm]

David7204 wrote...

I think you misunderstood. I haven't seen any women with big breasts complaining about the 'pro-diversity' crowd. I've seen people complain about characters on the grounds that they have big breasts and not much else.

No, I did understand perfectly. It's not your place to bring it out, not when people use  but  "there are people like this in real life" defence to shut other people off. 

[KiwiQuiche]

Eleinehmm wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I didn't say you did, but enough people have over the forums. Or rather, they've complained about the figures of characters and weren't able to give me a more specific and consistent reason under examination, so I felt comfortable making that conclusion.

How about not speaking for other people? Unless you are this woman, whose feelings were hurt by  the pro-diversity crowed comments, you probably should stay silent. 

You can be against discrimination/sterotypes towards a certain gender without being that gender, Eleinehmm. Now let's drop this and go back at the topic at hand.

[JorieSilver]

David7204 wrote...

I wonder if they consider how women who actually look like that in real life are supposed to feel.

Already very well represented in video games.

[Eleinehmm]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I didn't say you did, but enough people have over the forums. Or rather, they've complained about the figures of characters and weren't able to give me a more specific and consistent reason under examination, so I felt comfortable making that conclusion.

How about not speaking for other people? Unless you are this woman, whose feelings were hurt by  the pro-diversity crowed comments, you probably should stay silent. 

You can be against discrimination/sterotypes towards a certain gender without being that gender, Eleinehmm. Now let's drop this and go back at the topic at hand.

You can be against them but you can't use their supposed hurt feelings,  unless you have a VERY good understranding of how it works. That is the main difference  between a good Ally and a bad one. And, yes we should probably  go back to the topic, before we get  flooded by idiotic comments.