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[KiwiQuiche]

UndergoingMitosis wrote...

I think the real issue is that people (myself included) don't want to feel like a super model swinging a sword--we want to look at our characters and watch them move and feel *powerful*, and the current female models don't give that. It's not that anyone thinks femshep looks gross.

Indeed. A lot of people seem to be assuming I hate Shepard and think she's digusting; I don't, I just think her body type is extremely inappropriate for her job/storyline. Same with Hawke, hence the wanting a more muscular female PC for the next game, who looks like she could literally punch you out no sweat.

[Reznore57]

I don't like "buff " woman , I don't really like the Amazonian Hawke body type neither.
Too tall ...
When I can choose a body type in games , I go with slightly plump , not fat but a bit of hips.

And i always play mages , so there's no reason for my character to be muscular ...at best she walks a lot .
So frankly , I won't feel like my pc is powerful with big muscles .

But well it's not a big deal , it's a very very small annoyance for roleplay reason .

[KiwiQuiche]

Reznore57 wrote...

I don't like "buff " woman , I don't really like the Amazonian Hawke body type neither.
Too tall ...
When I can choose a body type in games , I go with slightly plump , not fat but a bit of hips.

And i always play mages , so there's no reason for my character to be muscular ...at best she walks a lot .
So frankly , I won't feel like my pc is powerful with big muscles .

But well it's not a big deal , it's a very very small annoyance for roleplay reason .

This is why a better Character Creation-er would do wonders. People who want curvy slender ladies can have that. People who want skull-bashing Amazonians can have that as well.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 25 mars 2013 - 11:15 .

[JasonPogo]

Ok I did not read all 9 pages of posts but I will throw in my two cents here.

I agree 100% that Bioware is horrible at making female characters bodys. And it is only getting worse. Hell just look at Ash from ME3. They took a kick ass female marine and turned her into a ditzy supermodle. Bioware dose not seem intrested in making a powerful female character that dose not sell sex at the same time.

[KiwiQuiche]

JasonPogo wrote...

Ok I did not read all 9 pages of posts but I will throw in my two cents here.

I agree 100% that Bioware is horrible at making female characters bodys. And it is only getting worse. Hell just look at Ash from ME3. They took a kick ass female marine and turned her into a ditzy supermodle. Bioware dose not seem intrested in making a powerful female character that dose not sell sex at the same time.

I don't think it helped they bluntly stated they did that to Ash simply for "sex appeal". And it seems quite a few players aside from myself felt her new dolled-up looks made her less attractive and sexy. Yeah, they don't seem to realize that you can be sexy and powerful while wearing completely practical outfits and being strong, in both a physical sense and attitute sense.

[grumpymooselion]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

UndergoingMitosis wrote...

I think the real issue is that people (myself included) don't want to feel like a super model swinging a sword--we want to look at our characters and watch them move and feel *powerful*, and the current female models don't give that. It's not that anyone thinks femshep looks gross.

Indeed. A lot of people seem to be assuming I hate Shepard and think she's digusting; I don't, I just think her body type is extremely inappropriate for her job/storyline. Same with Hawke, hence the wanting a more muscular female PC for the next game, who looks like she could literally punch you out no sweat.

Inappropriate and appropriate change from person to person, no, 'I think s/he/it should look like this instead' statements should ever apply.

There should be no demand that a main character be skinny. There should be no demand that a main character be fat. There should be no demand that a main character be average. There should be no demand that a main character be slender. There should be no demand that a main character be curvy. There should be no demand that a main character be toned/athletic. There should be no demand that a main character be strong but husky. There should be no demand that a main character be muscular. There should be no demand that a main character be extremely muscular. There should be no demand that a main character have flat breasts, small breasts, average breasts, large breasts or otherwise. There should be no demand that a main character have nearly no bulge, a small bulge, an average bulge, a large bulge or otherwise.

The only thing asked, should ever be, "Please, may we have more customization of the main character's various features and aesthetics, including, but not limited to; their body type, body features, skin tone, eye color, hair color, hair style, hair length, height, facial features and so on and so forth." And it should never be asked of just one gender, but BOTH genders.

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Whether a main character is a skinny female bookworm with extremely pale skin, small breasts and long black hair or a large husky outdoorsy type with girl average breasts, tanned skin and short blonde hair or a dark skinned berserker nutcase girl with rippling muscles, tattoos all over their body and large breasts with braided red hair should be wholly up to the player. No demand should force everyone into the body type, or other features and colorings, preferred by another person entirely.

Now go through that all again for the male main character, because it's true of either gender. Not just one. Both. Yes, oddly enough, people interested in male character may want a different body type too - who would have thought?

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I make characters, I like making new and interesting looking characters and trying to figure out the personality and choices such a character would make to result in them looking as such. More customization is what I'll always ask for. I will never ask that one static be replaced with another static because the same problem results, that being, "Only some people are happy" whereas as more customization results in less people being left out. Unfortunately there will always be someone left out, but in adding more options that happens somewhat less at least. It's infinitely preferrable to just saying 'okay now your main characters are all muscular' or 'okay now your main characters are all curvy' or whatever the people in the next, "I think the main character should have this body type' thread want to spout.

Choices, more customization options. Not a new static form people are still forced into replacing the old static form people were forced into.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 25 mars 2013 - 11:52 .

[Adanu]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Women can't get as much musclemass as men can, and the models reflect that.

Find something else to whine about, feminist.

You say that word like I'm supposed to be offended by it.

The feminist movement has turned into a hate filled bunch of lesbians/man haters who think they anyone who disagrees with them is a misogynist, sexist, or a fool.

If you identify with their crap, you're blind and willfully ignoring the lies they push society into. If you're a radical feminist, you're guilty of supporting people who advocate genocide and hypocrisy of the highest order.

I hope you don't.

Modifié par Adanu, 25 mars 2013 - 11:57 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Janan Pacha wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

UndergoingMitosis wrote...

I think the real issue is that people (myself included) don't want to feel like a super model swinging a sword--we want to look at our characters and watch them move and feel *powerful*, and the current female models don't give that. It's not that anyone thinks femshep looks gross.

Indeed. A lot of people seem to be assuming I hate Shepard and think she's digusting; I don't, I just think her body type is extremely inappropriate for her job/storyline. Same with Hawke, hence the wanting a more muscular female PC for the next game, who looks like she could literally punch you out no sweat.

Inappropriate and appropriate change from person to person, no, 'I think s/he/it should look like this instead' statements should ever apply.

There should be no demand that a main character be skinny. There should be no demand that a main character be fat. There should be no demand that a main character be average. There should be no demand that a main character be slender. There should be no demand that a main character be curvy. There should be no demand that a main character be toned/athletic. There should be no demand that a main character be strong but husky. There should be no demand that a main character be muscular. There should be no demand that a main character be extremely muscular. There should be no demand that a main character have flat breasts, small breasts, average breasts, large breasts or otherwise. There should be no demand that a main character have nearly no bulge, a small bulge, an average bulge, a large bulge or otherwise.

The only thing asked, should ever be, "Please, may we have more customization of the main character's various features and aesthetics, including, but not limited to; their body type, body features, skin tone, eye color, hair color, hair style, hair length, height, facial features and so on and so forth." And it should never be asked of just one gender, but BOTH genders.

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Whether a main character is a skinny female bookworm with extremely pale skin, small breasts and long black hair or a large husky outdoorsy type with girl average breasts, tanned skin and short blonde hair or a dark skinned berserker nutcase girl with rippling muscles, tattoos all over their body and large breasts with braided red hair should be wholly up to the player. No demand should force everyone into the body type, or other features and colorings, preferred by another person entirely.

Now go through that all again for the male main character, because it's true of either gender. Not just one. Both. Yes, oddly enough, people interested in male character may want a different body type too - who would have thought?

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I make characters, I like making new and interesting looking characters and trying to figure out the personality and choices such a character would make to result in them looking as such. More customization is what I'll always ask for. I will never ask that one static be replaced with another static because the same problem results, that being, "Only some people are happy" whereas as more customization results in less people being left out. Unfortunately there will always be someone left out, but in adding more options that happens somewhat less at least. It's infinitely preferrable to just saying 'okay now your main characters are all muscular' or 'okay now your main characters are all curvy' or whatever the people in the next, "I think the main character should have this body type' thread want to spout.

Choices, more customization options. Not a new static form people are still forced into replacing the old static form people were forced into.

...I don't really understand some of your points due to your wording. Though with Ash, being a marine who stated she prefers heavy armour and guns, is dressed inapropriately in ME3, with heels, thin dress-like armour with long hair that obscures one side of her face simply due to sexiness is inapropriate. Or maybe I'm reading you wrong, I'm not sure. If I am, feel free to correct me.

Hey, I'm all for customization, regardless of gender. However since we can't do that with muscle mass (I'm hoping for DAI) I wished the default forms actually looked like they could do physical damage, or at least manual labour. However if Bioware does introduce a Character Creator that lets you alter the physical form of the PC, I think they would have a lot of happy monkeys, myself included.

[KiwiQuiche]

Adanu wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Women can't get as much musclemass as men can, and the models reflect that.

Find something else to whine about, feminist.

You say that word like I'm supposed to be offended by it.

The feminist movement has turned into a hate filled bunch of lesbians/man haters who think they anyone who disagrees with them is a misogynist, sexist, or a fool.

If you identify with their crap, you're blind and willfully ignoring the lies they push society into. If you're a radical feminist, you're guilty of supporting people who advocate genocide and hypocrisy of the highest order.

I hope you don't.

I can only respond to this ridiculousness one way.

With Ryan Stiles.

[JasonPogo]

Ok I'm a guy and I have to say Adanu you are an idiot...

[Adanu]

JasonPogo wrote...

Ok I'm a guy and I have to say Adanu you are an idiot...

Ad Hominem attacks don't mean a thing to me. Attack my words with an argument if you want to debate me or prove me wrong, not with childish name calling.

[grumpymooselion]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

...I don't really understand some of your points due to your wording. Though with Ash, being a marine who stated she prefers heavy armour and guns, is dressed inapropriately in ME3, with heels, thin dress-like armour with long hair that obscures one side of her face simply due to sexiness is inapropriate. Or maybe I'm reading you wrong, I'm not sure. If I am, feel free to correct me.

Given I didn't mention Ashley, I'd say your problem is you quoted my post, but responded to some other post entirely.

There was nothing subtle or confusing about my wording, in fact it was highly specific. Not only did it outright state the intent, but it repeated that intent several times in detail.

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I'll say it again; there is no singular appropriate or inappropriate - what is appropriate or inappropriate changes from person to person. No matter what you like, or don't like, no matter what you agree with or disagree with, no matter how factual or definite your view of something is - someone else will always, without fail, think differently on the subject, even if the extent is so miniscule that you're unable to tell the difference between their view and your own.

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Hey, I'm all for customization, regardless of gender. However since we
can't do that with muscle mass (I'm hoping for DAI) I wished the default
forms actually looked like they could do physical damage, or at least
manual labour. However if Bioware does introduce a Character Creator
that lets you alter the physical form of the PC, I think they would have
a lot of happy monkeys, myself included.

Stop wishing and asking for such things. You're doing the exact same thing as people that insist the female be skinny or that the female be curvy. The exact same thing. No different. No less tastless. No less ignorant. And certainly no better.

I'll refer you back to my prior post in this thread for the rest; customization for both genders. Not just one. Concern for both genders. Not just one. Body options for both genders. Not just one. The freedom from being hammered into a square peg for all main characters, not just the female main character. And not just asking for, once again, "I want to be a muscled female" when, again, that's every bit as wrong and insulting as the people asking, "I want to be a skinny female" or "I want to be a curvy female" and so on.

It's expecting everyone to agree with you, and it's expecting everyone to want the same body type from their character - it's also expecting that all the character classes, their functions and past histories in selection and in the player's mind are the same. We do not all want the same thing. We should not all want the same thing. Stop asking that one static be replaced with another static. One static being replaced with another static, when the issue a lack of customization and choice only results in THE SAME EXACT PROBLEM. 

The only thing that changes is that a 'different' set of specific people get to make the character look how they want. The old problem was that a specific set of people were the only ones getting a character to look how they wanted. Do you see the problem here? You haven't solved the problem of everyone being shoehorned into a particular body type by forcing everyone who plays a female character to be muscular. You've recreated the same exact problem. The same exact problem. Again, the same exact problem. One more time, the same exact problem.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 25 mars 2013 - 12:17 .

[Kidd]

Adanu wrote...

JasonPogo wrote...

Ok I'm a guy and I have to say Adanu you are an idiot...

Ad Hominem attacks don't mean a thing to me. Attack my words with an argument if you want to debate me or prove me wrong, not with childish name calling.

An argument? You pretty much said "X are bad because reasons." There is nothing to argue in the post in question. Note, that whole tangent is completely off topic and toxic anyway, so I suggest both parts drop it right now.

[Dubozz]

mickey111 wrote...

No, don't listen Bioware.

[KiwiQuiche]

Janan Pacha wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

...I don't really understand some of your points due to your wording. Though with Ash, being a marine who stated she prefers heavy armour and guns, is dressed inapropriately in ME3, with heels, thin dress-like armour with long hair that obscures one side of her face simply due to sexiness is inapropriate. Or maybe I'm reading you wrong, I'm not sure. If I am, feel free to correct me.

Given I didn't mention Ashley, I'd say your problem is you quoted my post, but responded to some other post entirely.

There was nothing subtle or confusing about my wording, in fact it was highly specific. Not only did it outright state the intent, but it repeated that intent several times in detail.

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I'll say it again; there is no singular appropriate or inappropriate - what is appropriate or inappropriate changes from person to person. No matter what you like, or don't like, no matter what you agree with or disagree with, no matter how factual or definite your view of something is - someone else will always, without fail, think differently on the subject, even if the extent is so miniscule that you're unable to tell the difference between their view and your own.

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Hey, I'm all for customization, regardless of gender. However since we
can't do that with muscle mass (I'm hoping for DAI) I wished the default
forms actually looked like they could do physical damage, or at least
manual labour. However if Bioware does introduce a Character Creator
that lets you alter the physical form of the PC, I think they would have
a lot of happy monkeys, myself included.

Stop wishing and asking for such things. You're doing the exact same thing as people that insist the female be skinny or that the female be curvy. The exact same thing. No different. No less tastless. No less ignorant. And certainly no better.

I'll refer you back to my prior post in this thread for the rest; customization for both genders. Not just one. Concern for both genders. Not just one. Body options for both genders. Not just one. The freedom from being hammered into a square peg for all main characters, not just the female main character. And not just asking for, once again, "I want to be a muscled female" when, again, that's every bit as wrong and insulting as the people asking, "I want to be a skinny female" or "I want to be a curvy female" and so on.

It's expecting everyone to agree with you, and it's expecting everyone to want the same body type from their character - it's also expecting that all the character classes, their functions and past histories in selection and in the player's mind are the same. We do not all want the same thing. We should not all want the same thing. Stop asking that one static be replaced with another static. One static being replaced with another static, when the issue a lack of customization and choice only results in THE SAME EXACT PROBLEM. 

The only thing that changes is that a 'different' set of specific people get to make the character look how they want. The old problem was that a specific set of people were the only ones getting a character to look how they wanted. Do you see the problem here? You haven't solved the problem of everyone being shoehorned into a particular body type by forcing everyone who plays a female character to be muscular. You've recreated the same exact problem. The same exact problem. Again, the same exact problem. One more time, the same exact problem.

Godforbid I have a different opinion and voice said opinion, eh? Unless I start saying people are a bunch of stupid morons for disagreeing with me, I'll continue to voice it.

And I've already said that the body is silly- you do as much fighting and physical activities as Hawke and Shepard, you would get muscles, like how the male versions do. It's what would happen, not being a scrawny lady throughout the game who looks so out of proportion next to the male counterpart.

Yes, I want a better character customization-er. I've repeatedly stated that. For both genders, if that makes it any more clear.

[Adanu]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Adanu wrote...

JasonPogo wrote...

Ok I'm a guy and I have to say Adanu you are an idiot...

Ad Hominem attacks don't mean a thing to me. Attack my words with an argument if you want to debate me or prove me wrong, not with childish name calling.

An argument? You pretty much said "X are bad because reasons." There is nothing to argue in the post in question. Note, that whole tangent is completely off topic and toxic anyway, so I suggest both parts drop it right now.

I presented words and a basis of statement. The argument would be against the reasons and my reasoning behind those. I've seen plenty of evidence of everything I just said being true, but most like to ignore it.

Besides, it isn't toxic if it's actually true and I've seen plenty of women say those things.

That being said, I'm fine with dropping it. With this forum, I doubt I'd get actual intelligent debates anyway.

Modifié par Adanu, 25 mars 2013 - 12:27 .

[SheplooX2]

Solmanian wrote...

SheplooX2 wrote...

the average sedentary male is easily stronger than an athletic woman. most women that are into sports dont really focus on gaining body mass and are relatively small to begin with. healthier however...

That just not true . True, I haven't heard of the term "sedentary" before today, but according to wiki it's synonym to "couch potato". 

I'm someone who experienced both perspectives of "fit" (as a soldier in an active combat duty), and "sedentary" (as an unemployed veteran, who spent all his time playing video games. Man, those were good times). Any women who goes to the gym regualry, and excercises on all the stations (not just aerobic, like many women tend to do), is easily stronger than a "sedentary" male.  After years without regular excercise, I started working out again and even the minimum settings were streneus for me.

About the diference between man and women, and the stereotype of man being stronger than women:
You have to understand that women Vs men anatomies are realy different with a much different predesposition. Male body is geared toward "explosive" strength: short bursts of high threshold efforts, like sprinting. Female bodies are geared for endurance: long bouts of low threshold efforts, like a marathon (or being in labor for 37 hours). So will a man usually beat a woman in armwrestiling? sure.
An example of the comparison: lets say an average man and an average woman decide to race eachother. In the first part of the race, the man will get an impressive yield, but in the long range the woman will simply outlast him.
Can we counter this predeposition? ofcourse. Endurance training for man, and strength training for woman are standard in a balanced training regime.

Ninja Sten's pictures also reminded me of something many people amy not be aware of. A recent research showed that despite popular belief, running is a realy bad excercise. Sure it burn fat, but it doesn't build muscle tissue; That's how you get this skeletal bodies.

like others have said, women can't typically lift nearly as much men can, or perform similar feats of physical strength. most of the pictures here are far from exemplary of the 'typical fit woman'. they're a lot healthier, but aren't nearly as strong. of course there always are exceptions though.

this is why competitive martial arts are separated by gender. they will never be mixed together. it is simply not a social issue, but one of biological differences. I guarantee you that the average non-wimpy sedentary male that isn't a physical wreck could defeat the average woman who has studied martial arts (cue pics of top-tier woman fighters and wimpy beta males to prove me wrong)

if I were to choose between being assaulted on an abandoned street at night between two creepy dudes that haven't worked out in years or two women that are gym regulars I will always choose the scenario with two women, and I think most guys would, regardless of all the PC bs they buy into occasionally.

[Topsider]

If there's no body customization in DA3, I'd prefer that female characters have "normal" sized arms and average build - not scrawny, but not buff either. A happy medium.

Someone will complain no matter what shape and appearance women have... Too skinny, too short, catwalk hips, silly run, breasts too big, wears skimpy armor, looks manly, not feminine enough, bad hairstyles... and so on. It's impossible to please everyone. A "body slider" is the best solution but if that's not feasible then FemHawke's shape is a decent compromise.

[grumpymooselion]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yes, I want a better character customization-er. I've repeatedly stated that. For both genders, if that makes it any more clear.

Then ask for better customization, rather than repeatedly asking for a more muscular body type, and coming up with reasons why it's superior to all other options - as if that isn't exactly what the people insisting that the female main character be skinny (or curvy or pick a thread title because we've had them all) are doing. Yes, you're no better than them. Your opinion isn't better, and your viewpoint isn't better - I find you all equally tastleless, ignorant and insistent on shoehorning everyone into your ideal.

Yes, god forbid more of that.

I want everyone to have options they can potentially enjoy. Musclar? Yes. Skinny? Yes. Curvy? Yes. Fat? Yes. Husky? Yes. Athletic? Yes. Lanky? Yes. Other options besides that I have't come up with? YES. And not just the female main character - the male main character as well. Do you see the difference? What I'd like to see isn't shoehorning everyone into 'my' view of what body type is proper.

Yes, if what you really want is customization, so that you can make a main character closer to what you like, then ask for customization and stop asking for a different static body type that results in exactly the same problem you claim to be against. Ask for customization. Not a new static. Customization. If that's what you really want, then ask for it, customization - stop asking that we all be shoehorned into a muscular body type, as if that's not the same exact mindset and problem as asking that we all be shoehorned into a skinny body type or curvy body type. Yes, that's exactly what you're doing, no matter your justification.

If you want customization to make the character look how you want, then ask for better customization, and detail it with a mindset besides your own. Ask for many things in that customization, even things you don't like, and that you wouldn't use. Because we aren't all you. We don't all want what you want. When I ask for customization I do my very best to include many types of customization, and note different body types even those I wouldn't like. I try to think about people besides myself. And for the sake of 'whatever' please do so with both genders in mind, and not just one. Just for example, do you actually believe everyone that plays the male main characters in these games are happy with the body type - have you ever wondered if they might want a different body type as well?

Take the second to realize that everyone is not you, think about people besides yourself. Be all inclusive. Ask for customization options, and yes, even options you might dislike, in addition to those you would. Don't ask, yet again, "I want a female body type that muscular because 'insert reasons'" as if it's not exactly the same thing as the threads asking that the main character be, "skinny because 'insert reasons'" or, "curvy because 'insert reasons'". You can think your reasons, and what you're asking for are right all you like, because all it's really doing is asking that Bioware shut someone else out, like you've been shut out when it came to body types in prior games - and you didn't like being shut out very much, now did you? So why would you inflict the same exact scenario on others? Spite? Selfishness? Any other reason? I can't think of a good one, and that's probably because there 'is not' a good reason to ask for such a thing.

Ask for something that might actually 'include' people rather than shutting them out.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 25 mars 2013 - 12:55 .

[SerenityRebirth]

I think that in general it would be nice if we had the ability to adjust the figure of our character. If I want to be a slim, feminine female character, then there I go. If I want to play as a more flat-chested, Chyna like female then there I go as well. Say thing with the men.

[BeatoSama]

I don't think asking for a less skinny main character is bad because there are hundreds of skinny female characters available already. How many games (and movies) have you seen that features important non-conventionally attractive female characters?
If we only get one body type I would therefore want something more muscular (or even better a fat character but most people will sadly not get behind that) because women come in all sizes and shapes not just one.

This is a problem with male characters too but to a lesser extent.

[HAG1686]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

HAG1686 wrote...

I agree with the general sentiment of
this thread (more customization in how our characters look). However,
did you really need to be so insulting, OP? I know plenty of women who
look like FHawke, myself included, who have no trouble "lifting a
cardboard box." Smaller women and bigger women all put on muscle
differently, and their looks often don't indicate their actual, physical
strength. So, yes, I would really like to customize exactly how my
character's body looks, as per my own headcanon of what's appropriate,
but maybe we shouldn't go around invalidating other body types as
"unrealistic."

Oh really? Yes, how dare I say that a pair of women who spend years fighting opponents  in heavy armour and weilding numerous weapons, sometimes massive shotguns and swords, have the muscle-mass of civilians.

And when did I say Hawke/Shepard's body type was 'unrealistic' in everyday life? It's unrealistic because these two women have been fighting for years yet they remain thin with small muscles. And unless you and your friends go around fighting Reapers and Templars in armour, then you comparing yourself and friends to Shepard and Hawke is 'unrealistic'

My point was that someone's size does not necessarily reflect their strength. If you believe that only a larger woman with well-defined muscles is an accurate depiction of a warrior/rogue in DA's setting, then I fully support you having access to that option, because I think we should all be able to make the characters we want.

However, you can make that point without being insulting. Saying that those body models are "scrawny", having "noodle" arms, or have trouble "lifting a cardboard box" is just as nonhelpful to the discussion as the people saying the women with bigger muscles are ugly or mannish or impossible to achieve without steroids. It's body shaming on both ends of the spectrum, and it's unnecessary.

Myself and the women I know aside, is there really any RL comparison to what Hawke does? Is it modern military? Triathletes? MMA fighters? Olympic athletes? Crossfitters? It seems we all have our own ideas, and it would be nice if DA allowed a slider or several options to incorporate those ideas.

[KainD]

BeatoSama wrote...

This is a problem with male characters too but to a lesser extent.

No, we all still have different tastes. As a male I for one get to play a male character that I consider to be good looking very, VERY rarely. The only recent bioware game that allowed me that was DA:O, and only an elf. 

[garrusfan1]

I think fem hawk was good cause she had muscle tone well a little bit. also you would be amazed at the strength that some people that are the size of fem hawk have. I watched a women that was skinny and she bench pressed 250 pounds and could squat 400 pounds. I also used to help load logs on trucks to use for firewood and those weighed around 70 pounds and she loaded around 20 of those logs on the truck in 10 minutes. size doesn't matter unless they are crazy skinny

[Babaganoosh013]

Please use me BioWare. I can do voice-over too. I was in the WWF. HA HA HA HA!

Modifié par Babaganoosh013, 25 mars 2013 - 02:59 .