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[InfinitePaths]

So far every companion has been either bi or straight.Maybe gay,but not openly.Would you like to see sexual differences in your party,since we know that every LI is BI,why can't we have straight,bi and gay non-romancable companions.

Modifié par HeriocGreyWarden, 23 mars 2013 - 08:39 .

[Allan Schumacher]

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

[Allan Schumacher]

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

ME 3 takes place in the future though. Look at Dragon Age's universe. They just barely got cannons.

Fortunately Thedas isn't Earth and is a fantasy realm, so we aren't restricted to how our medieval times were.

[Allan Schumacher]

Someone like Gaider would be better able to answer the question than I would.

Having said that, this thread is starting to flirt the lines of becoming a bit too hostile.

[Allan Schumacher]

In the non-straight cases 'something did go wrong' as this hormone balance did deviate from the normal values.

The issue I have with your statement is that you have equated "something different happened" with "something wrong happened." This isn't an issue about nature, but sociocultural context of the word "wrong" (or "abnormal") and the associations people have with it.

When you summarize your statement with "if you want to be insulted by nature, go ahead" you obfuscate the issue that people have with your word choice.

If you wish to believe that people won't take offense to your use of the word wrong, I would assert that you are not recognizing the implications people will make when reading words. However, given that you placed "something did go wrong" in quotation marks, I think you actually recognize this.

While I can read your post and recognize that abnormal can simply mean "not typical" it's important to recognize the meanings the words you use and how they will be received. "Wrong" is often seen as incorrect while "abnormal" is often associated with something that is deviant and undesirable. For instance, tell parents their child is unique (which by definition is not typical) compared to abnormal, and see the difference in response you get.

Please use synonyms that are less prone to being interpreted as pejoratives, as these boards can be volatile enough as is.

Thanks.

[Allan Schumacher]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Trolldrool wrote...

If being gay was the characters' only interesting trait or the whole premise for their creation/inclusion in the game, then definitely no.

Is being straight the only trait of a character?

No it's not.

Trolldrool is simply stating "If the inclusion of a character exists solely to be a homosexual in the game universe, then it's not a positive thing for the game."

Given your question back to him, I am making the assumption that the inclusion of a character simply to show there are heterosexual characters in the game, is also something you would find not necessary.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 24 mars 2013 - 06:53 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Oberkaiser wrote...

Perhaps you don't understand the difference between "intended purpose" and "acceptable deviation". Because modern science knows plenty about the human body's intended purpose, and let me tell you right away - being able and willing to procreate with the opposite sex is part of it. If you feel offended by that or feel like that needs to be censored, I have some bad news about you and the company you work for.

Perhaps you don't understand that this isn't a forum within the scientific community, and that expecting to be able to discuss things in such a manner is going to lead to confusion/misunderstanding and other potential issues.  Furthermore, the difference between "intended purpose" and "acceptable deviation" makes no implications as to whether or not something is "wrong."  So your entire argument is point is arguably not even relevant to the discussion I was making.

There's a reason why educators stress to children during things like sex education that "because you are not average, does not mean that you are not normal" and it's less to do with the scientific merit but more to do with the psychological/sociological reasonings.


For the record, I was not offended by LarryDavid's post (I explicitly said so).  I, however, can understand that human beings don't typically enjoy being called "wrong" nor "abnormal" and tend to respond defensively.  As somewhat indicated by your response just now.  If you think that my post is one about censorship, I have some bad news about your reading comprehension and debating skills.  My post is about proper communication to ensure that your point comes across in the correct way to the audience you are communicating to.


EDIT: Deleted some posts prior to this.  I want this tangent to stop now.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 24 mars 2013 - 07:16 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Shawn Marrster wrote...

Gay companions.. OK. But let it be a RPG. Let me kill the gay companion without "punishment" from the game.

One of the more fun aspects of RPGs are doing things that are not Political Correct. In Mass Effect my Shepard was a "racist" that put humanity before all other species. Loved to kill the council, put in Udina as the chancellor, military rule, help Cerberus fight of alien life.

In Oblivion Knight of the nine: I refused to knight any non-white person.

Give me the freedom to be "racist", "sexist", "homophobe" in an RPG.

One of the worst things with DA2 was Anders and that you lost "points" if you refused his gay advances on you. The game punished players that didn't bend over for Anders!

Anders reaction has nothing to do with your ability to play (or to not play) a homophobic character.  In fact, if you were trying to play one, you wouldn't care what Anders thought of your rebuking of him.

The game is not punishing people for not bending over for Anders.  It's causing a little blip in how he sees you, which as far as I'm concerned is a natural reaction.  If anything we can conclude that Anders is maybe a bit overly sensitive.  This has nothing to do with how you wish to roleplay your character.

Unless you're trying to tell me that you should be able to play a racist/sexist/homophobic character and still have the NPCs love you for it.  To which my response to that is simply "tough."

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 19 avril 2013 - 03:45 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Or you could not do a crappy portrayal of that charcter, where the dialogue options are the equivalent of a crayon join the dots exercise. You know, where you actually have to make a specific moves to initiate things with a particular character over time, like Leliana in DAO.

Whether or not a character has a poor portrayal is independent of the sexual orientation of the character. Or at least, *should* be.

[Allan Schumacher]

Closing this one.