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[TheBlackAdder13]

HeroicGreyWarden, your requests are strangely specific.

Every time I read something like this I try to imagine what openly straight would look like and it doesn't make any sense. Straight people don't base their identities around their sexual preferences.

Are you suggesting gay people base their identities around their sexual preferences? The reason why "openly straight" doesn't make sense to you is because it's more commonly know by another term: the majority of every day life (--and really what do you mean "every time I read this?" -- where else have you heard it -- HeroicGreyWarden is the only person I've ever seen phrase it that way). You're wired to think that being straight is normal, or the rule, and being gay is abnormal, or the exception and thus, being openly gay means openly being abnormal or openly being an exception so, in the minds of most people, that's what gets signalled out. You hardly have to be "openly normal," do you? We call this heterosexual privilege. I hope you enjoy it.

Modifié par TheBlackAdder13, 23 mars 2013 - 10:23 .

[Harle Cerulean]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Given the thread that just happened in which Gaider directly stated that the characters don't change their sexuality, only your perspective/what you see changes...

He also deliberately refused to state their sexuality.

But let's stop, it will head nowhere good.

Yeah, and I was actually just editing my post your quoted here to mention it - I should have said originally that she's available to both sexes, not 'bi', but regardless, she's not playersexual either.

[legbamel]

I read HeroicGreyWarden's post as saying that you can't tell by a general conversation what a person's preferences are, whether straight or varying degrees of not. It's the "openly" that's the question, here. Unless it's relevant to the conversation you wouldn't expect your companions to announce that gender they prefer in bed, if either or any. Thus an "openly straight" person would be thoroughly obnoxious because they'd go out of their way to show you and/or tell you about it.

That said, in getting to know your companions it makes perfect sense for them to mention loved ones and partners. There's a lot of room between in-your-face pronouncement and naturally shared information. "Openly" should just mean "not acting as though their preferences were shameful".

[InfinitePaths]

legbamel wrote...

I read HeroicGreyWarden's post as saying that you can't tell by a general conversation what a person's preferences are, whether straight or varying degrees of not. It's the "openly" that's the question, here. Unless it's relevant to the conversation you wouldn't expect your companions to announce that gender they prefer in bed, if either or any. Thus an "openly straight" person would be thoroughly obnoxious because they'd go out of their way to show you and/or tell you about it.

That said, in getting to know your companions it makes perfect sense for them to mention loved ones and partners. There's a lot of room between in-your-face pronouncement and naturally shared information. "Openly" should just mean "not acting as though their preferences were shameful".

The guy above explained it nicely

By openly gay i don't mean jumping I'm GAY,I'm GAY.I mean by saying in conversation,I had a Boyfriend once or hook up with a S/S.That is openly gay.

Modifié par HeriocGreyWarden, 23 mars 2013 - 10:37 .

[InfinitePaths]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

HeroicGreyWarden, your requests are strangely specific.

Every time I read something like this I try to imagine what openly straight would look like and it doesn't make any sense. Straight people don't base their identities around their sexual preferences.

Are you suggesting gay people base their identities around their sexual preferences? The reason why "openly straight" doesn't make sense to you is because it's more commonly know by another term: the majority of every day life (--and really what do you mean "every time I read this?" -- where else have you heard it -- HeroicGreyWarden is the only person I've ever seen phrase it that way). You're wired to think that being straight is normal, or the rule, and being gay is abnormal, or the exception and thus, being openly gay means openly being abnormal or openly being an exception so, in the minds of most people, that's what gets signalled out. You hardly have to be "openly normal," do you? We call this heterosexual privilege. I hope you enjoy it.

Oh are they specific ?

[Renmiri1]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

So far every companion has been either bi or straight.Maybe gay,but not openly.Would you like to see sexual differences in your party,since we know that every LI is BI,why can't we have straight,bi and gay non-romancable companions.

Not this again!

Every single time you babies can't live in a world where 99% of the people aren't hetero you do this threads

1) create thread against all bi LIs, get thread locked
2) Since #1 didn't fly then create thread about "Non LI gays" as a furtive attempt to again demand fixed sexualities - thread gets locked
3) Foiled on #1 and #2 goes for trolling, create thread about Zombie transexual LI being raped by darkspawn - gets thread locked, 48 hour ban
4) wait a few weeks and start at #1 again

Modifié par Renmiri1, 23 mars 2013 - 10:54 .

[Volus Warlord]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

HeroicGreyWarden, your requests are strangely specific.

Every time I read something like this I try to imagine what openly straight would look like and it doesn't make any sense. Straight people don't base their identities around their sexual preferences.

Are you suggesting gay people base their identities around their sexual preferences?

Some certainly do. You've never seen flamboyantly gay people?

[Harle Cerulean]

Renmiri1 wrote...

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

So far every companion has been either bi or straight.Maybe gay,but not openly.Would you like to see sexual differences in your party,since we know that every LI is BI,why can't we have straight,bi and gay non-romancable companions.

Not this again!

Every single time you babies can't live in a world where 99% of the people aren't hetero you do this threads

1) create thread against all bi LIs, get thread locked
2) Since #1 didn't fly then create thread about "Non LI gays" as a furtive attempt to again demand fixed sexualities - thread gets locked
3) Foiled on #1 and #2 goes for trolling, create thread about Zombie transexual LI being raped by darkspawn - gets thread locked, 48 hour ban
4) wait a few weeks and start at #1 again

...what are you on about?  This isn't even about LIs.

[Renmiri1]

No is about the OP discomfort in not being able to label people as gay, straight or such. He had a thread about LIs being "bi" breaking his immersion because he couldn't fit them in his neat boxes, now this thread

He isn't the first one, several people like him do the same rigamarole all the time mikey111 is one example. Getting pretty old tbh

[Harle Cerulean]

Renmiri1 wrote...

No is about the OP discomfort in not being able to label people as gay, straight or such. He had a thread about LIs being "bi" breaking his immersion because he couldn't fit them in his neat boxes, now this thread

He isn't the first one, several people like him do the same rigamarole all the time mikey111 is one example. Getting pretty old tbh

Actually, if you would read this thread, instead of being reactionary, it's about a non-LI companion showing same-sex attraction.

[TheBlackBaron]

This is a Bioware game. Character sexualities are irrelevant unless you can bang them.

[Volus Warlord]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

This is a Bioware game. Character sexualities are irrelevant unless you can bang them.

I disagree and therefore you are sexist.

[-TC1989-]

Actually I think of Zevran as a good example. He was bi, and clearly hit on my male Warden, and my Warden was straight. But to be honest he was my best friend of the game. I didn't have a problem at all with him being physically attracted to me, I just let him know I wasn't interested in him in that way. Same with Cortez in ME3, he ended up being a good friend to me even though he knew I wasn't romantically interested in him, we were just two guys hanging out.

[ForThessia]

Is it just me, or does every other thread on here have the words "Gay", "Homosexual", "Straight", "Bisexual", etc plastered all over them now?

[-TC1989-]

ForThessia wrote...

Is it just me, or does every other thread on here have the words "Gay", "Homosexual", "Straight", "Bisexual", etc plastered all over them now?

You are not wrong. You either get what companions you want back, or who should be a bi LI. Take your pick.

[Hazegurl]

Renmiri1 wrote...

No is about the OP discomfort in not being able to label people as gay, straight or such.

I think this one is a legit request. If sexuality doesn't exist in this world or matter in the same way as it does in our own then how come every non LI companion hook up is with the opposite sex?

Ex: You're a female Hawke. Isabella has come on to you, but if you don't romance her she hooks up with Fenris and Zevran. Two men. It doesn't make her straight or anything and that is not the point I'm making. The question is just how come there are no non LI s/s hook ups in a world where gay, straight, and bi doesn't exist.

[Oberkaiser]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

Are you suggesting gay people base their identities around their sexual preferences? The reason why "openly straight" doesn't make sense to you is because it's more commonly know by another term: the majority of every day life (--and really what do you mean "every time I read this?" -- where else have you heard it -- HeroicGreyWarden is the only person I've ever seen phrase it that way). You're wired to think that being straight is normal, or the rule, and being gay is abnormal, or the exception and thus, being openly gay means openly being abnormal or openly being an exception so, in the minds of most people, that's what gets signalled out. You hardly have to be "openly normal," do you? We call this heterosexual privilege. I hope you enjoy it.

When two people meet they generally don't assume anything about the other person's orientation or assume they're straight as a placeholder (after all, 99% of the world's population is straight). Close friends can go for years without knowing each other's sexual preferences, simply because it doesn't come up in day to day conversation. That's basically what being normal is about, gay or straight. Having a multifaceted personality that doesn't reduce every topic to their pet social issue.

Modifié par Oberkaiser, 24 mars 2013 - 12:40 .

[Plaintiff]

Oberkaiser wrote...

Every time I read something like this I try to imagine what openly straight would look like and it doesn't make any sense. Straight people don't base their identities around their sexual preferences.

That's because straight is the assumed default, and every straight person is automatically 'open' about it. It's not necessary for straight people to officially declare their preference to others, because they never had to worry about concealing it in the first place, and thus never have to worry about 'coming out' to friends and family and facing possible rejection and abandonment.

[Plaintiff]

Pasquale1234 wrote...
I suppose if Branka hadn't had a girlfriend when the Warden met her, you probably would have insisted that she is straight, too.

Of course he would've, and so would you. Everybody in the world assumes that everybody else is straight until they are specifically given cause to suspect otherwise.

[saMoorai]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

This is a Bioware game. Character sexualities are irrelevant unless you can bang them.

Pretty much. 

[Plaintiff]

Volus Warlord wrote...

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

HeroicGreyWarden, your requests are strangely specific.

Every time I read something like this I try to imagine what openly straight would look like and it doesn't make any sense. Straight people don't base their identities around their sexual preferences.

Are you suggesting gay people base their identities around their sexual preferences?

Some certainly do. You've never seen flamboyantly gay people?

I've also seen flamboyant straight men, and flamboyant straight women.

Flamboyancy has nothing to do with being gay.

[InfinitePaths]

Plaintiff wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

HeroicGreyWarden, your requests are strangely specific.

Every time I read something like this I try to imagine what openly straight would look like and it doesn't make any sense. Straight people don't base their identities around their sexual preferences.

Are you suggesting gay people base their identities around their sexual preferences?

Some certainly do. You've never seen flamboyantly gay people?

I've also seen flamboyant straight men, and flamboyant straight women.

Flamboyancy has nothing to do with being gay.

Agree so so much,I hate flamboyant people gay or straight.Especially the ones addicted to shoping,gossiping about everything,screaming,having kitties or chihuahuas in their laps,wearing only pink,overreacting.So obnoxius

A gay man does not have to be flamboyant it is a stereotype
A gay woman does not have to be manly and discusting and fat it is a stereotype

Modifié par HeriocGreyWarden, 24 mars 2013 - 12:34 .

[Medhia Nox]

Flamboyant behavior isn't sexual - what kind of foolish talk is this?

As for straight people not basing their identities on their sexual preference - I suppose that's why phase three (after college degree and job) of the common American lifestyle is "marriage"?  Of course - any old straight person can breed - which is why so many skip Phases One and Two.

You should also tell pretty much all those nasty reality shows that they're not being proper straight people (actually - please tell them. I don't want your boorishly majority driven lifestyle infecting gay children with fear and self-loathing)

As others have pointed out - the very presence of so many romance threads means many people define themselves by their sexuality.

@HeroicGreyWarden: Hey sport - you're being a stereotype too.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 24 mars 2013 - 12:53 .

[SongstressKitsune]

Honestly, I'd really like to see this. It is a bit...I don't know if "strange" is the word, but that's what I'm going to use, that the only outside-the-PC hookups we see are straight. Certainly characters flirt with people of the same sex (Anders and Nate in Awakening) but it never goes anywhere. It would be nice to see it realized, especially since Thedas is apparently much less concerned with issues of sexual identity and sexual orientation than our world.