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[philippe willaume]

@OP
I would agree that it would be nice to have char developing relationship on their own.
and hence having a sexual orientation is kind of needed.

Now that would not solve the "i-will-try-to-get-in-your-pants-Anders" because i am more in favor all the companion to be player-oriented.
though i would be nice having a "courtly love" with an unobtainable companion relation.

Phil

[Dagr88]

EntropicAngel wrote...

LTD wrote...

I remember a time when fans of Bioware RPGs weren't mostly focused on features having to do with sex, romance and cameltoe DLC gear.

Lies!

Thanks for my daily dose of good laugh.

Modifié par Dagr88, 24 mars 2013 - 02:32 .

[LarryDavid]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...
Are you suggesting gay people base their identities around their sexual preferences? The reason why "openly straight" doesn't make sense to you is because it's more commonly know by another term: the majority of every day life. You're wired to think that being straight is normal, or the rule, and being gay is abnormal, or the exception and thus, being openly gay means openly being abnormal or openly being an exception so, in the minds of most people, that's what gets signalled out. You hardly have to be "openly normal," do you? We call this heterosexual privilege. I hope you enjoy it.

For me, the most logic definition for 'openly x' is; (feeling the need to) state that you're 'x' when it is not rerquired. Now, regarding sexual preferences, straight is normal and gay is abnormal (not defined as uncommon, like blue eyes,
but as something gone wrong (in this case hormones while inside the womb)) and hence being 'openly straight' does not make that much sense. The only person I have ever know to act 'openly straight' was gay, which was annoying.

Modifié par LarryDavid, 24 mars 2013 - 02:41 .

[TheBlackAdder13]

LarryDavid wrote...

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...
Are you suggesting gay people base their identities around their sexual preferences? The reason why "openly straight" doesn't make sense to you is because it's more commonly know by another term: the majority of every day life. You're wired to think that being straight is normal, or the rule, and being gay is abnormal, or the exception and thus, being openly gay means openly being abnormal or openly being an exception so, in the minds of most people, that's what gets signalled out. You hardly have to be "openly normal," do you? We call this heterosexual privilege. I hope you enjoy it.

For me, the most logic definition for 'openly x' is; (feeling the need to) state that you're 'x' when it is not rerquired. Now, regarding sexual preferences, straight is normal and gay is abnormal (not defined as uncommon, like blue eyes,
but as something gone wrong (in this case hormones while inside the womb)) and hence being 'openly straight' does not make that much sense. The only person I have ever know to act 'openly straight' was gay, which was annoying.

So being gay is "having something gone wrong?" and gay people have "something wrong with them?" According to some of the latest research, testostorone or estrogen levels are increased inside the womb not as a result of something mysteriously, randomly going wrong but rather as a stabilizing mechanism for the mother's health. 

Gay people are not "abnormal" any more than having blue eyes is abnormal and the presence of homoseuality throughout multiple species should testify to that. The casual homophobia in this thread disgusts me. 

For me, the most logic definition for 'openly x' is; (feeling the need to) state that you're 'x' when it is not rerquired.

No. This is absolutely not what being "openly x" is. Being openly gay means not being in the closet, which means being able to tell someone that you're into the same gender just as easily as a straight person would mention someone from the opposite gender that they're interested in. Which, is why, the word "openly straight" doesn't make much sense since that's the societal default and straight people thus don't have to be "in the closet." And once again, you're implying that this is what gay people do and your implication disgusts me and makes me angry.

 It's interesting that the only people who started throwing around the meaningless term "openly straight" seem to be straight people themselves who have some degree of issues with LGBT people based on their posts. 

Modifié par TheBlackAdder13, 24 mars 2013 - 03:46 .

[TheBlackAdder13]

You realize not every country is Uganda, right? There are many second and third world countries, like the ones left after the fall of the Soviet Union for example, where there is no overt homophobia and the percentage of homosexuals in the population is still lower than developed countries.

Eastern Europe is pretty effing homoophobic, as is most of the developing world. Just because you can't be executed, doesn't mean that there isn't overt social homophobia, let alone other legal consequences. You should leave your bubble, educate yourself and learn about the real world.

How do you explain the prevalence of these threads then? People don't just want interesting characters, they want characters of a specific sexual orientation. In fact, the word "interesting" seldom appears in discussion at all. They want characters whose defining feature is their homosexuality.

Nobody's asking for or wants a character that's "LOOK AT ME I'M GAY GAY GAY AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAVE GOING FOR ME LOL." You're the only one who's saying that. What people want is an interesting character who happens to be gay and is open and honest about it. Much like, you know, out gay people in real life. You need to (1) learn basic reading comprehension and (2) stop projecting your own homophobic biases on this thread.

These threads exist because LGBT characters are largely underrepresented in the gaming industry, as are female characters and people want to see things that they can relate with.

You also have a plethora of LI threads in general as that's the nature of the BSN but you don't signal the non-gay LI threads out as wanting a character who's centrally defined by their heterosexuality. Because, again, heterosexual relationships are the norm in the gaming industry and are guaranteed to be present, so you have the luxury of not having to make threads requesting a certain sexual orientation for a romance or a character as it will be there by default. Once again, we call this heterosexual privilege. The nice thing about privilege is that it blinds you to these sort of things and you don't have to deal with them. It also helps people like you pull inane statements and justifications for those statements out of their asses to push their agendas on how they think gay people act/behave.

Modifié par TheBlackAdder13, 24 mars 2013 - 03:32 .

[philippe willaume]

^ Dudes seriously ????
Gay having something gone wrong ...
Heterosexual privileges....

Of course your sexuality is part of what defines you and as such will transpire in the image you project.
and of course what ever society you live in will, by default expect you to fall into what ever is the most common standard.
IE, if you are in the sacred band of Thebe, people will expect you to have a male lover.
That openly X crap will get this thread locked and i rather like if it were not.

phil

[Ridwan]

What is openly gay any way? Some dude randomly walks up to you and says, "I like to have sex with men deal with it!" Or that they dress flamboyantly?

[Harle Cerulean]

M25105 wrote...

What is openly gay any way? Some dude randomly walks up to you and says, "I like to have sex with men deal with it!" Or that they dress flamboyantly?

If you actually cared abotu the answer to your question, you'd read the thread, where it has been stated several times.  But you're just being an ass, so you're not going to.

[TheBlackAdder13]

M25105 wrote...

What is openly gay any way? Some dude randomly walks up to you and says, "I like to have sex with men deal with it!" Or that they dress flamboyantly?

At this point I'm beating my head against the wall.

My real life experience has indicated that most people have moved beyond these utterly idiotic attitudes so I'm going to assume that regressive social views are something that have a higher representation in the BSN/among gamers. 

Modifié par TheBlackAdder13, 24 mars 2013 - 04:02 .

[Ridwan]

I'm just having fun reading this thread

[InfinitePaths]

You don't understand what openly means.IT IS NOT HEY I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU.Every straight guy is openly straight by saying:this girl is hot,or hooking up with a girl.What this thread is requesting for DA:I to have no romance openly gay people and by that we mean people who express their interest in S/S like a straight person would in everyday life.

If Varric was openly gay he would not run around and screaming guys I'm gaaay!But he would metion hawke that he named his crossbow Bianco becouse he had a boyfriend named Bianco.

Modifié par HeriocGreyWarden, 24 mars 2013 - 04:05 .

[Ridwan]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

You don't understand what openly means.IT IS NOT HEY I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU.Every straight guy openly straight by saying:this girl is hot,or hooking up with a girl.What this thread is requesting for DA:I to have no romance openly gay people and by that we mean people who express their interest in S/S like a straight person would in everyday life.

So you want like guards that randomly says scripted lines when you pass them "Did you see the ass of that boy?" and so on? Like it's common that people are openly gay in Dragon Age?

[InfinitePaths]

M25105 wrote...

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

You don't understand what openly means.IT IS NOT HEY I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU.Every straight guy openly straight by saying:this girl is hot,or hooking up with a girl.What this thread is requesting for DA:I to have no romance openly gay people and by that we mean people who express their interest in S/S like a straight person would in everyday life.

So you want like guards that randomly says scripted lines when you pass them "Did you see the ass of that boy?" and so on? Like it's common that people are openly gay in Dragon Age?

If guards say look at that ass of that girl,than yes it should also be for boys.And It should be common that is the point of this thread.

EDIT:About realism,the game has magic but it is realistic,it has concequences and it feels real.Dragons also have great detali,they feel real.If you are going to implement romance in a game,make it also feel real and equal.

Modifié par HeriocGreyWarden, 24 mars 2013 - 04:09 .

[Ridwan]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

M25105 wrote...

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

You don't understand what openly means.IT IS NOT HEY I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU.Every straight guy openly straight by saying:this girl is hot,or hooking up with a girl.What this thread is requesting for DA:I to have no romance openly gay people and by that we mean people who express their interest in S/S like a straight person would in everyday life.

So you want like guards that randomly says scripted lines when you pass them "Did you see the ass of that boy?" and so on? Like it's common that people are openly gay in Dragon Age?

If guards say look at that ass of that girl,than yes it should also be for boys.And It should be common that is the point of this thread.

EDIT:About realism,the game has magic but it is realistic,it has concequences and it feels real.Dragons also have great detali,they feel real.If you are going to implement romance in a game,make it also feel real and equal.

Well do you think it would be realistic that people were openly gay in that universe? Even today it's a big deal if a person is gay.

[Allan Schumacher]

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

[Ridwan]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

ME 3 takes place in the future though. Look at Dragon Age's universe. They just barely got cannons.

[Xilizhra]

Well do you think it would be realistic that people were openly gay in that universe? Even today it's a big deal if a person is gay.

Andrastianism, vicious and evil though it frequently is, does not seem to be inherently homophobic, and Thedas lacks that particular religious/cultural legacy that our world possesses.

[InfinitePaths]

Steve and Vega .Yes that was awesome in Citdael DLC,also Vega at some point says:I will try your hot tub Shepard later,without you Estaban(Cortez).And If you romance Cortez Vega will 100% support it in the Citadel DLC.Great DLC.

+ Steve got the most romance content of all romances in the citadel,you had sex with him like 3 times in the DLC

Modifié par HeriocGreyWarden, 24 mars 2013 - 04:25 .

[Oberkaiser]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

Eastern Europe is pretty effing homoophobic, as is most of the developing world. Just because you can't be executed, doesn't mean that there isn't overt social homophobia, let alone other legal consequences. You should leave your bubble, educate yourself and learn about the real world.

You'll be surprised to find out, then, that I was born and have lived in Eastern Europe for my entire life. We have gay bars and gay pride parades, as well as what you'd call "openly gay" people working in the music and entertainment industry. We just don't make a big deal out of it.

Nobody's asking for or wants a character that's "LOOK AT ME I'M GAY GAY GAY AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAVE GOING FOR ME LOL." You're the only one who's saying that. What people want is an interesting character who happens to be gay and is open and honest about it. Much like, you know, out gay people in real life.

I'm starting to think you don't want to listen to me as opposed to just being unbelievably dense. Read the following carefully: an interesting character wouldn't need to ever allude to or mention their sexual preference. Interesting characters in other video games and novels have referenced real-world philosophers and writers in their dialogue which makes them interesting while at the same time gives the player a chance to learn something new.

The most ridiculous part of your post, however, is the one where you say, basically, that while gay people don't base their identity around their sexual preference, they need a character to be gay to identify with them, hence the need for all the romance threads on this forum. I feel like I'm about to repeat myself again but I guess repetition is the mother of education (and God knows you liberals need educating), so here goes: straight people, or normal people in general, do not base their identities around their sexual preferences and do no identify with other people based on such narrow criteria.

And next time you, living in your comfortable first world location, decide to fantasize online about being oppressed in any way, shape or form, think of how insulting that is to someone who wasn't born in a rich country and has actually had to face adversity and struggle to get by, or what a disservice you're doing to your gay brothers and sisters faced with the literal threat of death right now in countries around the world by focusing the social justice debate on yourself.

Modifié par Oberkaiser, 24 mars 2013 - 04:20 .

[Allan Schumacher]

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

ME 3 takes place in the future though. Look at Dragon Age's universe. They just barely got cannons.

Fortunately Thedas isn't Earth and is a fantasy realm, so we aren't restricted to how our medieval times were.

[Ridwan]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

ME 3 takes place in the future though. Look at Dragon Age's universe. They just barely got cannons.

Fortunately Thedas isn't Earth and is a fantasy realm, so we aren't restricted to how our medieval times were.

So would all cultures in Dragon Age be supportive, or view homosexuals as part of the norm? What about the Qunari, wouldn't they view it as against the Qun or something since two men can't produce a child together?

[LinksOcarina]

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

ME 3 takes place in the future though. Look at Dragon Age's universe. They just barely got cannons.

Fortunately Thedas isn't Earth and is a fantasy realm, so we aren't restricted to how our medieval times were.

So would all cultures in Dragon Age be supportive, or view homosexuals as part of the norm? What about the Qunari, wouldn't they view it as against the Qun or something since two men can't produce a child together?

Does it really matter much? 

[Ridwan]

LinksOcarina wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

ME 3 takes place in the future though. Look at Dragon Age's universe. They just barely got cannons.

Fortunately Thedas isn't Earth and is a fantasy realm, so we aren't restricted to how our medieval times were.

So would all cultures in Dragon Age be supportive, or view homosexuals as part of the norm? What about the Qunari, wouldn't they view it as against the Qun or something since two men can't produce a child together?

Does it really matter much? 

People constantly talk about realism in games, I'm just asking if it's realistic that all cultures would see being gay as normal.

[InfinitePaths]

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

ME 3 takes place in the future though. Look at Dragon Age's universe. They just barely got cannons.

Fortunately Thedas isn't Earth and is a fantasy realm, so we aren't restricted to how our medieval times were.

So would all cultures in Dragon Age be supportive, or view homosexuals as part of the norm? What about the Qunari, wouldn't they view it as against the Qun or something since two men can't produce a child together?

Why don't you want homosexual relationships in Dragon Age.It's like gay people are saying we don't want heterosexual people in dragon age.

[Oberkaiser]

Maybe we can have a game without any romances at all? That way we can stop obsessing over who's gay or not, all the romance freaks will stop flooding this forum with their smut and maybe we will finally get a good RPG for a change.

Modifié par Oberkaiser, 24 mars 2013 - 04:33 .