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[InfinitePaths]

M25105 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

ME 3 takes place in the future though. Look at Dragon Age's universe. They just barely got cannons.

Fortunately Thedas isn't Earth and is a fantasy realm, so we aren't restricted to how our medieval times were.

So would all cultures in Dragon Age be supportive, or view homosexuals as part of the norm? What about the Qunari, wouldn't they view it as against the Qun or something since two men can't produce a child together?

Does it really matter much? 

People constantly talk about realism in games, I'm just asking if it's realistic that all cultures would see being gay as normal.

Some cultures worshiped homosexual people,like the Native Americans,do you want Thedas to be like that?

[Ridwan]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

ME 3 takes place in the future though. Look at Dragon Age's universe. They just barely got cannons.

Fortunately Thedas isn't Earth and is a fantasy realm, so we aren't restricted to how our medieval times were.

So would all cultures in Dragon Age be supportive, or view homosexuals as part of the norm? What about the Qunari, wouldn't they view it as against the Qun or something since two men can't produce a child together?

Why don't you want homosexual relationships in Dragon Age.It's like gay people are saying we don't want heterosexual people in dragon age.

What people are, ain't my business. I'm just asking questions whether or not being gay is something that all cultures in Dragon Age accepts.

[Xilizhra]

What people are, ain't my business. I'm just asking questions whether or not being gay is something that all cultures in Dragon Age accepts.

Why does it matter to you?

[Allan Schumacher]

Someone like Gaider would be better able to answer the question than I would.

Having said that, this thread is starting to flirt the lines of becoming a bit too hostile.

[LinksOcarina]

M25105 wrote...

What people are, ain't my business. I'm just asking questions whether or not being gay is something that all cultures in Dragon Age accepts.

I think its more taboo vs social unacceptance. This entire bit on sexuality and marriage sums it up for me from the wiki. 

So no, I don't think the cultures see it as a moral issue at all. 

[InfinitePaths]

M25105 wrote...

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

ME 3 takes place in the future though. Look at Dragon Age's universe. They just barely got cannons.

Fortunately Thedas isn't Earth and is a fantasy realm, so we aren't restricted to how our medieval times were.

So would all cultures in Dragon Age be supportive, or view homosexuals as part of the norm? What about the Qunari, wouldn't they view it as against the Qun or something since two men can't produce a child together?

Why don't you want homosexual relationships in Dragon Age.It's like gay people are saying we don't want heterosexual people in dragon age.

What people are, ain't my business. I'm just asking questions whether or not being gay is something that all cultures in Dragon Age accepts.

So by your logic you want Thedas to have cultures who give women no rights.who kill blacks,who kill for religion(okey we have that),cultures that suicide,cultures that hate gays,that worship gays.Why not a fantasy culture not copying this horrible world with some really horrible cultures.

Modifié par HeriocGreyWarden, 24 mars 2013 - 04:41 .

[Monica21]

M25105 wrote...
So would all cultures in Dragon Age be supportive, or view homosexuals as part of the norm? What about the Qunari, wouldn't they view it as against the Qun or something since two men can't produce a child together?

There's no context for Thedosian views on homosexuality. I'd consider mages to be the modern world's homosexuals. They're deviant, they need to be controlled, they're a sin against the Maker, and Andraste says that magic is not meant to rule over man. Whatever she meant by that, it created the Templars and the Circle.

There is context for the modern world's view on homosexuality. It's pretty much all Old Testament stuff, but that's where it comes from.

[Ridwan]

Xilizhra wrote...

What people are, ain't my business. I'm just asking questions whether or not being gay is something that all cultures in Dragon Age accepts.

Why does it matter to you?

Don't really care, though it'd be weird if suddenly every NPC starting to talk about random gay stuff. I'm just asking out of bored curiosity.

Why? Why does it matter to you?

[InfinitePaths]

Monica21 wrote...

There is context for the modern world's view on homosexuality. It's pretty much all Old Testament stuff, but that's where it comes from.

The old Testament also says that you should die if you wear clothes with different fabric
That you should die if you're a girl and lost virginity before marrige
That all women should wear a bag on their had in public events or they die

[InfinitePaths]

M25105 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What people are, ain't my business. I'm just asking questions whether or not being gay is something that all cultures in Dragon Age accepts.

Why does it matter to you?

Don't really care, though it'd be weird if suddenly every NPC starting to talk about random gay stuff. I'm just asking out of bored curiosity.

Why? Why does it matter to you?

Yeah it's also weird when every NPC starts speaking random straight stuff.

[LinksOcarina]

Monica21 wrote...

There is context for the modern world's view on homosexuality. It's pretty much all Old Testament stuff, but that's where it comes from.

Again...I don't know about that...

[Howlsfury]

To be frank, i don't care if a character wants to have gay butt secks with me or not as long as that character is interesting and has depth. I really just don't care if some one is gay or not; when i played Femshep most the time i romance Garrus, and when im maleshep i romance Tali-not because i want to bang either one but because they are very interesting characters. Mean while, i romance Merril and Morrigan 90% of the time in DAO/DA][ for the same reasons.
Regardless of gender, I like them pure and simple. I'am the same way in real life, if you are a nice person, i don't give a damn if you hit on me, doesn't mean you can have the goods but it does not bother me. If you are Rude i wont want to hang out with you, not because you like same sex relationships, but because i don't like douche bags.

[Monica21]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

There is context for the modern world's view on homosexuality. It's pretty much all Old Testament stuff, but that's where it comes from.

The old Testament also says that you should die if you wear clothes with different fabric
That you should die if you're a girl and lost virginity before marrige
That all women should wear a bag on their had in public events or they die

Yes, but that's not relevant to the question about Thedas and same sex couples. My point was that there is real world context for it. There is no context in Thedas for any assumption about gays and lesbians.

[Monica21]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

There is context for the modern world's view on homosexuality. It's pretty much all Old Testament stuff, but that's where it comes from.

Again...I don't know about that...

That all points to the practicality of M/F marriage in order to produce children, and nothing that is necessarily considered deviant behavior.

[DAYtheELF]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

I REALLY loved Steve's character and thought it was done fabulously and heart-wrenchingly.  A million kudos to the ME3 team for that.  This isn't a ME3 thread though, so I'll say I'd love to see more of other character's/ companions' romances in DA3 (that is, their romances/ relationships with other NPCs, not with the PC).  I liked the touch in DA2 with the Fenris/ Isabella relationship, but things more obvious would be nice.  It adds a depth to the world.

[InfinitePaths]

DAYtheELF wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As someone that didn't romance Steve in ME3, does he still sufficiently fit this role (I thought he did).

He was open about having a husband, and throughout other parts of the game (and even DLC) seems pretty comfortable with his sexuality (I enjoyed Vega and Steve sassing each other that they only like their respective teams because of how attractive the players are).

I REALLY loved Steve's character and thought it was done fabulously and heart-wrenchingly.  A million kudos to the ME3 team for that.  This isn't a ME3 thread though, so I'll say I'd love to see more of other character's/ companions' romances in DA3 (that is, their romances/ relationships with other NPCs, not with the PC).  I liked the touch in DA2 with the Fenris/ Isabella relationship, but things more obvious would be nice.  It adds a depth to the world.

Have you played the citadel DLC.It really offers a lot for steve fans,romance or no romance.Cute akward bro friendship with Vega with hilarius moments.His dancing,funny scenes with Traynor.You have 3 romance scenes with him,funny jokes.Vega supports your relationship with Cortez and more funny lines.It really is a great DLC for that charatcter

LINK:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x56QsiGZk5A

Modifié par HeriocGreyWarden, 24 mars 2013 - 04:57 .

[Ridwan]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What people are, ain't my business. I'm just asking questions whether or not being gay is something that all cultures in Dragon Age accepts.

Why does it matter to you?

Don't really care, though it'd be weird if suddenly every NPC starting to talk about random gay stuff. I'm just asking out of bored curiosity.

Why? Why does it matter to you?

Yeah it's also weird when every NPC starts speaking random straight stuff.

When does that happen?

[LinksOcarina]

Monica21 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

There is context for the modern world's view on homosexuality. It's pretty much all Old Testament stuff, but that's where it comes from.

Again...I don't know about that...

That all points to the practicality of M/F marriage in order to produce children, and nothing that is necessarily considered deviant behavior.

But thats kind of the point.

Historically speaking, Christianity has always been about marriage through procreation. In ancient times it was out of practicality to produce children. The morality came to be through reiterations during the Dark Ages and the medieval period by the Church as a form of control/tenant of the religion that a local population followed. Its the same reason people had ten kids instead of two; survivability and a semblance of stability with a family unit in often turbulant times. 

At least in real life. Removing that from Dragon Age of course is fine. I think that keeping sexuality as more of a character preference over a moral issue in the world is a wise decision in the end. Marriage then becomes only through practicality for some, and true love for others depending on sexual preference. 

[MACharlie1]

From what it looks like with the Quanari, it seems that even sex between men and women that isn't for the sake of procreation is heavily frowned upon. So I don't think love between two Quanari men or women would be frowned upon. Just the sex.

Modifié par MACharlie1, 24 mars 2013 - 05:04 .

[robertthebard]

I don't see why this couldn't be included, it's not like gay people sprang into existence in the 20th century. I am not gay, but I don't care who is. Steve was a likeable companion, even though I had no intention to romance him. He certainly took rejection better than Alistair.

[Monica21]

LinksOcarina wrote...
But thats kind of the point.

Historically speaking, Christianity has always been about marriage through procreation. In ancient times it was out of practicality to produce children. The morality came to be through reiterations during the Dark Ages and the medieval period by the Church as a form of control/tenant of the religion that a local population followed. Its the same reason people had ten kids instead of two; survivability and a semblance of stability with a family unit in often turbulant times. 

At least in real life. Removing that from Dragon Age of course is fine. I think that keeping sexuality as more of a character preference over a moral issue in the world is a wise decision in the end. Marriage then becomes only through practicality for some, and true love for others depending on sexual preference. 

I would agree with you, if it weren't for the many accounts of homosexual behavior being specifically referenced as a sin. Agree with it or not, many people's current values are taken something as old as the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah. (In which many other "sins" are conveniently forgotten, but anyway.) That's my point. Andraste never mentions same sex couples. The Bible does. Andraste does mention mages and magic. That's where I'm drawing the, admittedly not perfect, parallel between gays and lesbians in modern times and mages in Thedas.

[InfinitePaths]

Monica21 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...
But thats kind of the point.

Historically speaking, Christianity has always been about marriage through procreation. In ancient times it was out of practicality to produce children. The morality came to be through reiterations during the Dark Ages and the medieval period by the Church as a form of control/tenant of the religion that a local population followed. Its the same reason people had ten kids instead of two; survivability and a semblance of stability with a family unit in often turbulant times. 

At least in real life. Removing that from Dragon Age of course is fine. I think that keeping sexuality as more of a character preference over a moral issue in the world is a wise decision in the end. Marriage then becomes only through practicality for some, and true love for others depending on sexual preference. 

I would agree with you, if it weren't for the many accounts of homosexual behavior being specifically referenced as a sin. Agree with it or not, many people's current values are taken something as old as the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah. (In which many other "sins" are conveniently forgotten, but anyway.) That's my point. Andraste never mentions same sex couples. The Bible does. Andraste does mention mages and magic. That's where I'm drawing the, admittedly not perfect, parallel between gays and lesbians in modern times and mages in Thedas.

Ae you saying that being gay will turn you in to an abomination that kills every straight person?

[Monica21]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...
But thats kind of the point.

Historically speaking, Christianity has always been about marriage through procreation. In ancient times it was out of practicality to produce children. The morality came to be through reiterations during the Dark Ages and the medieval period by the Church as a form of control/tenant of the religion that a local population followed. Its the same reason people had ten kids instead of two; survivability and a semblance of stability with a family unit in often turbulant times. 

At least in real life. Removing that from Dragon Age of course is fine. I think that keeping sexuality as more of a character preference over a moral issue in the world is a wise decision in the end. Marriage then becomes only through practicality for some, and true love for others depending on sexual preference. 

I would agree with you, if it weren't for the many accounts of homosexual behavior being specifically referenced as a sin. Agree with it or not, many people's current values are taken something as old as the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah. (In which many other "sins" are conveniently forgotten, but anyway.) That's my point. Andraste never mentions same sex couples. The Bible does. Andraste does mention mages and magic. That's where I'm drawing the, admittedly not perfect, parallel between gays and lesbians in modern times and mages in Thedas.

Ae you saying that being gay will turn you in to an abomination that kills every straight person?

Nope.

[Trolldrool]

If being gay was the characters' only interesting trait or the whole premise for their creation/inclusion in the game, then definitely no.