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[stormhit]

Oberkaiser wrote...

As long as we agree that political correctness has not clouded anyone's understanding of tangible realities, and that the only purpose of this forced self-censorship is to protect the feelings of "children" for "psychological/sociological" reasons, I don't have a problem with that.

Yeah, being anti-social is cool.  Fight the power, man.

[Overlord_Mephist]

Now I'm hoping they add a ridiculously flamboyant gay guy with a long twirled moustache. Then people would complain that hes not their type of gay and new categories of gay will spawn which will all have to be represented or else pandering, bigot, etc....

I've probably had too much fun with this post.

[Cirram55]

Oberkaiser wrote...
Perhaps you don't understand the difference between "intended purpose" and "acceptable deviation". Because modern science knows plenty about the human body's intended purpose, and let me tell you right away - being able and willing to procreate with the opposite sex is part of it. If you feel offended by that or feel like that needs to be censored, I have some bad news about you and the company you work for.

Well, perhaps you don't understand much about modern science, then.
These kind of research is still in preliminary stages, and to be completely honest, all evidence points to homosexuality being a natural means to keep human (and not only human) population under control and avoid death by lack of resources.
I'd suggest leaving your so-called "science" to yourself (especially in a freaking gaming forum), because, while political correctness can indeed cloud one's judgement, blatant ignorance is way worse.

Having said that, I don't really care either way. I'd like more variety in representation though, even strictly visual.

Modifié par Cirram55, 24 mars 2013 - 08:24 .

[Odd Bet]

Oberkaiser wrote...


Perhaps you don't understand the difference between "intended purpose" and "acceptable deviation". Because modern science knows plenty about the human body's intended purpose, and let me tell you right away - being able and willing to procreate with the opposite sex is part of it. If you feel offended by that or feel like that needs to be censored, I have some bad news about you and the company you work for.

You clearly do not understand the very science you are invoking.

Darwin himself was against the application of his principles to human society, and any reputable scientist maintains that view today. Survival of the fittest does not extend into the social politics of humans.

Also, you will not find a biologist that would say that a human has any sort of "intended purpose." Perhaps you should stop trying to project your own myopia onto the scientific community.

[Lady Mortho]

Yeah! When your trying to feel someone up they just blur it out "Yeah, I'm gay."

[Mavqt]

Lady Mortho wrote...

Yeah! When your trying to feel someone up they just blur it out "Yeah, I'm gay."

Bioware, Make it happen.

[Sejborg]

What do you mean by openly gay? Like the over the top stereotype of a gay person? Something like Big Gay Al?

I would say no thank you to that.

[InfinitePaths]

Sejborg wrote...

What do you mean by openly gay? Like the over the top stereotype of a gay person? Something like Big Gay Al?

I would say no thank you to that.

You obviusly didn't read the thread

[TEWR]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Inconclusive evidence.

I suppose if Branka hadn't had a girlfriend when the Warden met her, you probably would have insisted that she is straight, too.

Considering Oghren views the idea of shacking up with Zevran as being worth drawing steel against him and comments he assumes are intended as being sexual in nature as being an "Antivan perversion" -- along with half of their dialogue revolving around how Oghren doesn't want to do that -- then I'd say he is openly straight. He also makes it clear to Zevran that Zev isn't what he's looking for in a wife when Oghren says "You're all right in battle".

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 24 mars 2013 - 11:32 .

[Battlebloodmage]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Inconclusive evidence.

I suppose if Branka hadn't had a girlfriend when the Warden met her, you probably would have insisted that she is straight, too.

Considering Oghren views the idea of shacking up with Zevran as being an "Antivan perversion" and half of their dialogue revolves around how Oghren doesn't want to do that, I'd say he is openly straight.

In Awakening, he had a crush on Nathaniel Howe, so it could be a case of "thou protest too much". 

[TEWR]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

M25105 wrote...

So would all cultures in Dragon Age be supportive, or view homosexuals as part of the norm? What about the Qunari, wouldn't they view it as against the Qun or something since two men can't produce a child together?

Why don't you want homosexual relationships in Dragon Age.It's like gay people are saying we don't want heterosexual people in dragon age.

I don't think M25105 is saying that at all. He's just wondering what the people of different societies might think of it is all. I imagine that the Qunari might view this as evidence of "re-education" since for one thing, they don't associate sex and relationships with love. For another, they're pretty uptight about pedigree breeding. They probably wouldn't have a big "OHMAHGERD" problem with it, but they wouldn't be okay with it either.

Similarly, I imagine the Dalish Elves might not be thrilled with it either because they're a dying race and they want to restore the lost society to its greater glory. If Elves were with other people of the same gender, while it's not dwindling the population its not bringing it back either. So they might be upset on one hand in terms of overall Elven strength, but happy on the other for the personal happiness of their clan mate.

[TheJediSaint]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Inconclusive evidence.

I suppose if Branka hadn't had a girlfriend when the Warden met her, you probably would have insisted that she is straight, too.

Considering Oghren views the idea of shacking up with Zevran as being an "Antivan perversion" and half of their dialogue revolves around how Oghren doesn't want to do that, I'd say he is openly straight.

Or at least openly not into elves.  These things get complicated when you're dealing with different fantasy races.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 24 mars 2013 - 11:08 .

[TEWR]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
In Awakening, he had a crush on Nathaniel Howe, so it could be a case of "thou protest too much". 

Heh, I don't know if a man-crush counts towards being inconclusive, moreso when he implies he'd only really get with Nathaniel if he was well and drunk.

TheJediSaint wrote...

Or at least openly not into elves.  These things get complicated when you're dealing with different fantasy races.

Well, he doesn't take kindly to a male Warden, of any race, flirting with him. Unless he's drunk, in which case he thinks you're a woman.

Which, for Xanthos Aeducan, is hilarious. Makes me think of Gimli's "Dwarven women look like men" and Aragorn's "It's the beards" moment in The Two Towers.

[Fiacre]

TheJediSaint wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Inconclusive evidence.

I suppose if Branka hadn't had a girlfriend when the Warden met her, you probably would have insisted that she is straight, too.

Considering Oghren views the idea of shacking up with Zevran as being an "Antivan perversion" and half of their dialogue revolves around how Oghren doesn't want to do that, I'd say he is openly straight.

Or at least openly not into elves.  These things get complicated when you're dealing with different fantasy races.

When a male Warden flirts with him he doesn't like it much either, though.

[Monica21]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
In Awakening, he had a crush on Nathaniel Howe, so it could be a case of "thou protest too much". 

Heh, I don't know if a man-crush counts towards being inconclusive, moreso when he implies he'd only really get with Nathaniel if he was well and drunk.

I always figured Oghren's "crush" was much more like my Jennifer Lawrence girl-crush than Oghren wanting to have sex with Nate. 

[adam32867]

we need an overly flamboyant openly gay qunari companion. you have to agree it would be interesting.

[Direwolf0294]

I'm all for it, but I think if they did it they'd run into a problem of people feeling cheated that they couldn't romance the character.

[sandalisthemaker]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I'm all for it, but I think if they did it they'd run into a problem of people feeling cheated that they couldn't romance the character.

If said gay character was well written and interesting, I'd probably be one of those people...

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 25 mars 2013 - 01:59 .

[Silfren]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Fiacre wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Inconclusive evidence.

I suppose if Branka hadn't had a girlfriend when the Warden met her, you probably would have insisted that she is straight, too.

Considering Oghren views the idea of shacking up with Zevran as being an "Antivan perversion" and half of their dialogue revolves around how Oghren doesn't want to do that, I'd say he is openly straight.

Or at least openly not into elves.  These things get complicated when you're dealing with different fantasy races.

When a male Warden flirts with him he doesn't like it much either, though.

But he constantly comments on females. Maybe it's all a defensive trick and he really is gay, who knows.

Ah, but he seemed a tad interested in Nathaniel.

Exhibit A: (remembered this scene from Awakening, found the text on the wiki)

• Oghren: The whole "quiet and stoic" thing must get you a lot of action, huh?
• Nathaniel: I take it you are an admirer, Oghren?
• Oghren: What? No! No, well not unless--no!
  
• Nathaniel: Good. Then I needn't worry about getting too drunk at camp.
• Oghren: Heh. Okay, I like you. Just not in that way.

Methinks Oghren was just about to admit to something...! 

[TEWR]

I always figured Oghren's "crush" was much more like my Jennifer Lawrence girl-crush than Oghren wanting to have sex with Nate.

That's what I meant, more or less. A man-crush. No real romantic attraction to the man, but it's more kinda idolizing him. Oghren implies, at least from how I took it, that the only time he might even have sex with Nate -- not out of a want to do so, but just as something that could happen -- is if he was drunk off his heels.

Which given his Origins dialogue where he wants to have sex with the Warden when he's drunk, is entirely possible.

[Silfren]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I always figured Oghren's "crush" was much more like my Jennifer Lawrence girl-crush than Oghren wanting to have sex with Nate.

That's what I meant, more or less. A man-crush. No real romantic attraction to the man, but it's more kinda idolizing him. Oghren implies, at least from how I took it, that the only time he might even have sex with Nate -- not out of a want to do so, but just as something that could happen -- is if he was drunk off his heels.

Which given his Origins dialogue where he wants to have sex with the Warden when he's drunk, is entirely possible.

And since Oghren is never NOT drunk off his heels....

Modifié par Silfren, 25 mars 2013 - 03:32 .

[Firky]

I don't see why openly gay has to translate to "flamboyant" or whatever stereotype.

I have a friend who doesn't consider herself bisexual, more sexually fluid, but has gone through long periods of dating both genders, one then the other. Her personality didn't change in the slightest, just the gender of the people she dated.

I don't see a problem with an openly gay character, but surely the impact is really just on their history and relationships, not their personality. (I don't have a problem with a flamboyantly gay character, either necessarily, because people are people and we're all different, but that might be heading into the "all transgender characters in Dragon Age are prostitutes" territory, without wider representation? I dunno.)

[Wolfva2]

adam32867 wrote...

we need an overly flamboyant openly gay qunari companion. you have to agree it would be interesting.

But how would he flirt?  Think about it...with Sten you get, "No."  With the flamboyant gay qunari you'd get, "NoooOOoo.  Hunny."  Of course, if they threw in a flamboyant gay qunari companion, would you still need an iron bar?  And, would you have to heat it up?  Or do they not nuzzle?

Anyways, all this talk about whether or not homosexuality is natural....dang city folk.  Wanna know if it's natural?  Go watch what happens when dogs get horny and there aren't any of the opposite sex (or human legs) around.  Or just about any other mammal for that matter.