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[New Display Name]

Why are we so concerned with realism in a game with dragons and magic? Why does Thedas have to match trends of the real world?

[Racky]

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This....all of this.... <3

Modifié par Racky, 23 mars 2013 - 09:47 .

[Renmiri1]

Would you stop being a baby and go play another game if fluid sexuality bothers you that much ?

[Knight of Dane]

On forums people talk about what they like.

A lot of people like romance.

And sexuality is a very modern concern, which is pretty new to games.

So people want that.

ugetit?

[JCAP]

I think romances are a nice touch in this games, how many romances are there, gay, straight or bi, I really don't care, I like to be surprised.

But it would be cool to have characters who we can flirt with, but end up being nothing, like Vega in Mass Effect 3.

[-TC1989-]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Would you stop being a baby and go play another game if fluid sexuality bothers you that much ?

Hey, the fluid sexuality is awesome. It's when people turn to Bioware and treat their games like some crusade for or against homosexuality or heterosexuality that I don't like. I'm just saying, instead of making certain gay, straight, or bi characters, let the PC go for whoever they want, and let that character respond according to their own personality. Bioware sohuldn't be compelled to make a gay or straight character, they should do what they want.

Yes... at this point they should just make sure they have a variety to appease everyone. Bioware is too far deep into the whole sexual preference hole now.

[AshenShug4r]

Came in, expecting to disagree.

Leaving pleasantly surprised. Good post.

[Monica21]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Would you stop being a baby and go play another game if fluid sexuality bothers you that much?

Fluid sexuality isn't so much bothersome as it is boring. Oh, there are zero limitations on who I can have sex with/fall in love with? Excellent! Exactly what I want in a game! Except really not. Nobody is like that. Granted no one shoots fireballs from their fingers either so I take the point about realism, but at the same time, why would all of my companions want to have sex with me? That doesn't serve to create choice for the PC, it serves to whitewash everyone's sexuality to the point where it's meaningless.

And yes, I know that Varric and Aveline never wanted to have sex with my PC and were firmly friendzoned, but they were so firmly friendzoned that they never noticed if I flirted with them.

[Plaintiff]

Monica21 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Would you stop being a baby and go play another game if fluid sexuality bothers you that much?

Fluid sexuality isn't so much bothersome as it is boring. Oh, there are zero limitations on who I can have sex with/fall in love with? Excellent! Exactly what I want in a game! Except really not. Nobody is like that. Granted no one shoots fireballs from their fingers either so I take the point about realism, but at the same time, why would all of my companions want to have sex with me? That doesn't serve to create choice for the PC, it serves to whitewash everyone's sexuality to the point where it's meaningless.

Sexuality should be meaningless.

You want limitations on who you can have sex with? Good for you. Sexual minorities get enough of that in real life without having to deal with it in a game where romance is a substantive feature of the gameplay.

If a gay man wants to be rejected, he can just go out and experience it firsthand, maybe with a punch in the face to make the experience that much more immersive and engaging.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 24 mars 2013 - 12:40 .

[Rawgrim]

Plaintiff wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Would you stop being a baby and go play another game if fluid sexuality bothers you that much?

Fluid sexuality isn't so much bothersome as it is boring. Oh, there are zero limitations on who I can have sex with/fall in love with? Excellent! Exactly what I want in a game! Except really not. Nobody is like that. Granted no one shoots fireballs from their fingers either so I take the point about realism, but at the same time, why would all of my companions want to have sex with me? That doesn't serve to create choice for the PC, it serves to whitewash everyone's sexuality to the point where it's meaningless.

Sexuality should be meaningless.

You want limitations on who you can have sex with? Good for you. Sexual minorities get enough of that in real life without having to deal with it in a game where romance is a substantive feature of the gameplay.

If a gay man wants to be rejected, he can just go out and experience it firsthand, maybe with a punch in the face to make the experience that much more immersive and engaging.

You mean how straight men gets rejected by women, and slapped ?

[Fast Jimmy]

I would love a Dragon Age game where EVERYONE rejects your advances, regardless of gender or sexuality, many times in wildly humiliating fashions.

That would finally maybe get people to realize that romances are optional side content and should not be considered something that every Bioware game has to supply to it fans, in every possible combination and permutation of the human sexual spectrum.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 24 mars 2013 - 12:47 .

[Monica21]

Plaintiff wrote...
Sexuality should be meaningless.

You want limitations on who you can have sex with? Good for you. Sexual minorities get enough of that in real life without having to deal with it in a game where romance is a substantive feature of the gameplay.

I really don't care about politics and personal morality, but thanks for assuming that's what I meant. Sexuality is part of your personality and part of mine. It's one of the things that shapes who a person is. My friends aren't interested in having sex with me. I'm pretty sure all of yours aren't either. That's one of the things that makes people interesting and different. An effort to be sexually inclusive, while honorable on the part of BioWare, just lends itself to whitewashed characters, instead of individualizing them.

[Fast Jimmy]

My friends aren't interested in having sex with me.

To be fair, you don't know this to be 100% true.

But that brings me to another point - whatever the player's sexuality, that doesn't mean the character you are playing has to be that same sexuality. Or that same gender.

I have played every Bioware game that offered a gender option with both types, as I have with many other games. I played a lesbian and a gay man and a bi sexual of both sexes in DA:O. That is not indicative of my own identity - they are characters in a role-playing game.

Do I disparage any of content to be purposefully exclusive of others? Of course not. But the concept that everyone has to be romanceable, in and of itself, is ludicrous. Couple that with that every character must also be player sexual and it lends itself less to narrative building and more virtual pimping, in my own (possibly myopic) view.

If people are going to get up in arms about a gay character that a straight PC can't romance, or a straight character a gay PC can't romance, or some other type of permutation where any character a player can make can bang someone another player-created character can't... well, then I say it is time to remind people that romances are not the core-content of any game that Bioware makes. That it is side content and content which should not be expected to be a guarantee at all.

Go and try and lock down a BG2 romance without permanently destroying it without a guide. It's nearly impossible. Heck, they are often hard to even activate.

THAT'S what romances should be. Hard, unlikely and difficult to find. Instead of a constant conga line of people wanting to throw themselves at you.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 24 mars 2013 - 12:59 .

[Renmiri1]

None of my friends are elves, I don't have any friends capable of magic and have never seen a dragon.

All this talk of "realism" in a sword and sorcery game only shows your bigotry

[InfinitePaths]

Plaintiff wrote...

If a gay man wants to be rejected, he can just go out and experience it firsthand, maybe with a punch in the face to make the experience that much more immersive and engaging.

I LOL'D

[Monica21]

Renmiri1 wrote...

None of my friends are elves, I don't have any friends capable of magic and have never seen a dragon.

All this talk of "realism" in a sword and sorcery game only shows your bigotry

Excuse you? 

[Monica21]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
To be fair, you don't know this to be 100% true.

True. 

But that brings me to another point - whatever the player's sexuality, that doesn't mean the character you are playing has to be that same sexuality. Or that same gender.

I have played every Bioware game that offered a gender option with both types, as I have with many other games. I played a lesbian and a gay man and a bi sexual of both sexes in DA:O. That is not indicative of my own identity - they are characters in a role-playing game.

Do I disparage any of content to be purposefully exclusive of others? Of course not. But the concept that everyone has to be romanceable, in and of itself, is ludicrous. Couple that with that every character must also be player sexual and it lends itself less to narrative building and more virtual pimping, in my own (possibly myopic) view.

If people are going to get up in arms about a gay character that a straight PC can't romance, or a straight character a gay PC can't romance, or some other type of permutation where any character a player can make can bang someone another player-created character can't... well, then I say it is time to remind people that romances are not the core-content of any game that Bioware makes. That it is side content and content which should not be expected to be a guarantee at all.

Go and try and lock down a BG2 romance without permanently destroying it without a guide. It's nearly impossible. Heck, they are often hard to even activate.

THAT'S what romances should be. Hard, unlikely and difficult to find. Instead of a constant conga line of people wanting to throw themselves at you.

Pretty much all of this, especially the conga line of people. I'm not sure why this is a difficult concept to agree with without being called a bigot.

[Renmiri1]

Because the entire conga line is 100% optional, And because the PC is naturally the only one capable of killing the Arishok, of finding the Lyrium idol, of jumping off a boat half dead and then beating a pack of mercenaries that was resting for days... Yet you don't seem phased by it.

Have you heard of "willing suspension of disbelief" ? From Wikipedia:

poet and aesthetic philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge,.. suggested that if a writer could infuse a "human interest and a semblance of truth" into a fantastic tale, the reader would suspend judgment concerning the implausibility of the narrative. Suspension of disbelief often applies to fictional works of the action, comedy, fantasy, and horror genres....
Suspension of disbelief is often an essential element for a magic act or a circus sideshow act. For example, an audience is not expected to actually believe that a woman is cut in half or transforms into a gorilla[2] in order to enjoy the performance.
..According to the theory, suspension of disbelief is an essential ingredient for any kind of storytelling. With any film, the viewer has to ignore the reality that they are viewing a two-dimensional moving image on a screen and temporarily accept it as reality in order to be entertained. Black & White films provide an obvious early example that audiences are willing to suspend disbelief, no matter how unreal the images appear, for the sake of entertainment. With the exception of totally color blind people, no person viewing these films sees the real world without color, but they are still willing to suspend disbelief and accept the images in order to be entertained

What you and others are basically doing is refusing to suspend your disbelief that Thedas has a more open approach to sexuality. Yet you are perfectly willing to suspend your disbelief that dragons, magic and darkspawn don't exist.

Guess what ? Bioware and David Gaider have been pretty clear that the gender roles openness is here to stay. So it is part of the deal and you either learn to suspend your disbelief for gender as you do for magic, or you stop playing the game. Onus is on you, not on others.

Sheesh!

Modifié par Renmiri1, 24 mars 2013 - 01:14 .