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[xAmilli0n]

Renmiri1 wrote...

1) It already is on DA2, Aveline and Varric blow you off

Blow you off may not be the right word, but yes, it was already included.  A few more of these might be fun, or even ones that progress to a point but can't be completed.  Add a little to the challenge and discovery of that aspect of the game.

[Renmiri1]

Monica21 wrote...

I agree with this, but that leads me to the question of why every romance option is bisexual. That's the part that takes me out of the romance. The fact that Fenris would say the exact same thing to me whether I was a male or female PC is where I find his romance boring. As a character I don't know that, but as a player I do. What's wrong with having straight romance options and gay romance options?

TL;DR - Is a matter of resources. DA opted to make things fair ME opted to make things to the majority. Being one of the people shafted by ME3's decision I love that DA devs prefer fairness. In a perfect world with unlimited resources you would get your neatly labeled and gendered LI. Here on earth you will get what DA2 did

[Monica21]

Plaintiff wrote...

Renmiri1 thinks the debate is about "realism" (which, in her defense, is a bull**** excuse that is often brought up when complaining about the DA2 romances).

Monica21 thinks the debate is about whether or not the romances are interesting.

So they're arguing at cross-purposes.

I think the romances are uninteresting because too much time is spent on the romance. After a few playthroughs of Origins I stopped romancing anyone. I actually didn't get bored with Alistair because he's one of the most interesting companions in a video game I've ever had. But, I was far more interested in the friendship I had with Leliana and Morrigan than in cut scenes with Alistair. As for DA2, I romanced Anders once and never again, tried with Fenris, and then the line that weirds me out the most is the come-on line to Sebastian about something like "one night, a man and a woman." I can't remember it, but that's probably for the best.

I think the romances, like much of DA2, didn't turn out well because they were rushed. I think they could have been written much much better given another year of development time, but that's really a different discussion.

[Renmiri1]

And it will come as no surprise that only 18% of the people who finished ME3 played as Femshep

http://sphotos-a.xx....725783387_n.jpg

It may be a minor aspect of the game but being treated unfairly is not fun for players. Who could have guessed ?

Modifié par Renmiri1, 24 mars 2013 - 02:22 .

[Plaintiff]

xAmilli0n wrote...
I don't disagree with you, but what if the story doesn't call for enough characters to have it be equal?  Should they add another character specifically to balance it out?

Maybe. Or they could remove one. It would have to be done during the conceptual stage of development, to minimise the waste of time and resources. Once you get a fair way into developing any story, be it game, film or novel, going back and rewriting to add or remove a character is a lot more trouble than it's worth.

So Bioware should address the issue as early as possible.

I don't know your stance on how things were handled in DAII, but it does look like that is what we shall seee in the future.  2 male and 2 female that are essentially playersexual.

I think the way DA2 handled things was just fine. Fantastic, even. Perfect.

I know David Gaider has said that if he had the resources, he would like to do an even split of set sexualities, but I think, personally, that regardless of the amount of romances in future games, they should all be made available to player characters of either gender. The dialogue rarely ever refers to the player's gender anyway, so it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to do.

[Plaintiff]

Monica21 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Most videogames just don't have any gay charaters at all. That doesn't make the writers bigots, but it does mean that the homosexual community is being ignored.

I never said it was a deliberate act of malice.

I agree with this, but that leads me to the question of why every romance option is bisexual. That's the part that takes me out of the romance. The fact that Fenris would say the exact same thing to me whether I was a male or female PC is where I find his romance boring. As a character I don't know that, but as a player I do. What's wrong with having straight romance options and gay romance options?

Nothing really, as long as there's an equal representation of both (or at the very least, not as blatant an imbalance as ME3 had).

But homosexual relationships are not different from heterosexual relationships, so I don't think a bisexual character should treat the player any differently based on their gender.

[Monica21]

Renmiri1 wrote...

And it will come as no surprise that only 18% of the people who finished ME3 played as Femshep

http://sphotos-a.xx....725783387_n.jpg

It may be a minor aspect of the game but being treated unfairly is not fun for players. Who could have guessed ?

What does that stat have to do with romance options?

[Plaintiff]

Monica21 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

And it will come as no surprise that only 18% of the people who finished ME3 played as Femshep

http://sphotos-a.xx....725783387_n.jpg

It may be a minor aspect of the game but being treated unfairly is not fun for players. Who could have guessed ?

What does that stat have to do with romance options?

Well, some people might use it as justification for giving femshep less romance options than broshep, but nobody made that argument yet.

[Renmiri1]

Monica21 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

And it will come as no surprise that only 18% of the people who finished ME3 played as Femshep

http://sphotos-a.xx....725783387_n.jpg

It may be a minor aspect of the game but being treated unfairly is not fun for players. Who could have guessed ?

What does that stat have to do with romance options?

Oh, nothing. People really enjoyed playing as Femshep. So much so that 82% refused to even do it.

Oh and if you saved Ashley in Virmire (ME1) and didn't romance Garrus on ME2, then Hetero FemShep had NO HETERO LI, I'm sure hetero females really appreciated being forced to play lesbian romances because teenage fanboys like to see girl on girl action.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 24 mars 2013 - 02:33 .

[Enigmatick]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

I agree with this, but that leads me to the question of why every romance option is bisexual. That's the part that takes me out of the romance. The fact that Fenris would say the exact same thing to me whether I was a male or female PC is where I find his romance boring. As a character I don't know that, but as a player I do. What's wrong with having straight romance options and gay romance options?

TL;DR - Is a matter of resources. DA opted to make things fair ME opted to make things to the majority. Being one of the people shafted by ME3's decision I love that DA devs prefer fairness. In a perfect world with unlimited resources you would get your neatly labeled and gendered LI. Here on earth you will get what DA2 did

That picture is a prime example of entitled whining 

[flyermaria]

Love it. Completely agree, OP!

Whether or not they keep all characters romancable by all genders, I would love to have the ability to flirt with each companion, even if they turn me down.

[xAmilli0n]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

And it will come as no surprise that only 18% of the people who finished ME3 played as Femshep

http://sphotos-a.xx....725783387_n.jpg

It may be a minor aspect of the game but being treated unfairly is not fun for players. Who could have guessed ?

What does that stat have to do with romance options?

Oh, nothing. People really enjoyed playing as Femshep. So much so that 82% refused to even do it

*picture snip*

Well they, unfortunately for them, missed out.

BTW, that picture pretty much emphasizes the mistake the ME team made by adding SO MANY DAMN ROMANCES.  Femsheps choices were fine.  Male Shep had way too many.

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 24 mars 2013 - 02:36 .

[Monica21]

Renmiri1 wrote...
Oh, nothing. People really enjoyed playing as Femshep. So much so that 82% refused to even do it.

Oh and if you saved Ashley in Virmire (ME1) and didn't romance Garrus on ME2, then Hetero FemShep had NO HETERO LI, I'm sure hetero females really appreciated being forced to play lesbian romances because teenage fanboys like to see girl on girl action.

So your argument is that only 18% played FemShep because of romance options?

[InfinitePaths]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

And it will come as no surprise that only 18% of the people who finished ME3 played as Femshep

http://sphotos-a.xx....725783387_n.jpg

It may be a minor aspect of the game but being treated unfairly is not fun for players. Who could have guessed ?

What does that stat have to do with romance options?

Oh, nothing. People really enjoyed playing as Femshep. So much so that 82% refused to even do it.

Oh and if you saved Ashley in Virmire (ME1) and didn't romance Garrus on ME2, then Hetero FemShep had NO HETERO LI, I'm sure hetero females really appreciated being forced to play lesbian romances because teenage fanboys like to see girl on girl action.

More equallity for gay MaleShep.Ah well,Kaidan and Cortez are more than enough:whistle:

[Renmiri1]

Foshizzlin wrote...

...What relevance does that have at all? This isn't even about Femshep vs. Broshep romances.

Monica asked why not have set sexualities.

ME3 had them, but didn't have / didn't want to spend resources to have fair representation of all gender roles so male hetero got 9 LI and Female Hetero got 2 and can even get zero.

DA2 also didn't have unlimited resources but instead of catering to the majority they opted for fairness. Hence no set sexualities.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 24 mars 2013 - 02:38 .

[JCAP]

Are you playing because of the story/gameplay or because of the romances?

Romances are a cool feature, but please remember that this game isn't a date simulator.

Modifié par JCAP, 24 mars 2013 - 02:38 .

[Renmiri1]

JCAP wrote...

*snip*

Are you playing because of the story/gameplay or because of the romances?

Romances are a cool feature, but please remember that this game isn't a date simulator.

Ya because ME3 had such a masterful story 

So good that Bioware didn't even need to postpone all paid DLC to do an EC for free fixing the botched ending... 

[Plaintiff]

Yeah, it's not like romance is an aspect of story or gameplay.

Just because romances are optional content doesn't mean it's okay to do them badly.

Plenty of games have great stories and gameplay. Romance is a feature thaat sets Bioware apart. Expecting people to not be drawn to the romances is silly, and criticizing them for enjoying the romances is just puerile.

Romance fans don't go into combat threads and mock people for being obsessed with a pathetic power fantasy where they can mow down dozens of men in a matter of seconds.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 24 mars 2013 - 02:44 .