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[xAmilli0n]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

...What relevance does that have at all? This isn't even about Femshep vs. Broshep romances.

Monica asked why not have set sexualities.

ME3 had them, but didn't have / didn't want to spend resources to have fair representation of all gender roles so male hetero got 9 LI and Female Hetero got 2 and can even get zero.

DA2 also didn't have unlimited resources but instead of catering to the majority they opted for fairness. Hence no set sexualities.

Male Shepard had too many, and Female Shepard had 4.  2 just didn't end up working out (1 of which you knew was coming).  If you end up with zero, then don't break your RP by romancing somone your Shep isn't attracted to.  Create another playthrough for that.

I have no problem with the fair, 2 + 2 playersexual methodology that the DA team is taking.  However, I 100% prefered the ME approach, fair or not.

[Renmiri1]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Which is why Bioware should just open things up instead of locking off flirting and stuff with various characters.

Agreed but again, in a perfect world with unlimited resources this would be feasible.

In reality I know DA devs and writers did the best they could. DA2 turned out quite good in that aspect. I would hate for them to go the ME3 route.

[Renmiri1]

xAmilli0n wrote...

I have no problem with the fair, 2 + 2 playersexual methodology that the DA team is taking.  However, I 100% prefered the ME approach, fair or not.

If Liara was in any way atractive to me I would be tempted to selfishly agree. Alas having been on the minority many times, any biased or unfair approach is repulsive to me.  

[Plaintiff]

xAmilli0n wrote...
Male Shepard had too many, and Female Shepard had 4.  2 just didn't end up working out (1 of which you knew was coming).  If you end up with zero, then don't break your RP by romancing somone your Shep isn't attracted to.  Create another playthrough for that.

I have no problem with the fair, 2 + 2 playersexual methodology that the DA team is taking.  However, I 100% prefered the ME approach, fair or not.

There's nothing wrong with having an LI die or cheat on you, but how come it only happens to femshep, while every member of manshep's harem remains slavishly loyal unless he decides to pursue someone else?

[Renmiri1]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Romances are fine, but both romances and characterization should be combined for the best plot experience possible and the best interaction. The sexual orientation of characters shouldn't be the main focus.

You keep saying that yet you have posted in this thread nonstop. So which is it ? Minor or major issue ?

Filament wrote...

I find it strange how the same people who use refrains like "this isn't a romance simulator" at the same time ask for features that would require the devs to put even more resources into romance, like making the romances embedded into the plot or making everyone able to be flirted with.

+1,000,000

Modifié par Renmiri1, 24 mars 2013 - 02:49 .

[xAmilli0n]

Plaintiff wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...
Male Shepard had too many, and Female Shepard had 4.  2 just didn't end up working out (1 of which you knew was coming).  If you end up with zero, then don't break your RP by romancing somone your Shep isn't attracted to.  Create another playthrough for that.

I have no problem with the fair, 2 + 2 playersexual methodology that the DA team is taking.  However, I 100% prefered the ME approach, fair or not.

There's nothing wrong with having an LI die or cheat on you, but how come it only happens to femshep, while every member of manshep's harem remains slavishly loyal unless he decides to pursue someone else?

I agree, that was poorly executed.  Lack of forethought when creating so many LIs.

[InfinitePaths]

Plaintiff wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...
Male Shepard had too many, and Female Shepard had 4.  2 just didn't end up working out (1 of which you knew was coming).  If you end up with zero, then don't break your RP by romancing somone your Shep isn't attracted to.  Create another playthrough for that.

I have no problem with the fair, 2 + 2 playersexual methodology that the DA team is taking.  However, I 100% prefered the ME approach, fair or not.

There's nothing wrong with having an LI die or cheat on you, but how come it only happens to femshep, while every member of manshep's harem remains slavishly loyal unless he decides to pursue someone else?

Yeah it's also unfair that FemShep can get S/S action in both ME1 AND 2 while bro shep can't get the 'bro love'

[Monica21]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

Romances are fine, but both romances and characterization should be combined for the best plot experience possible and the best interaction. The sexual orientation of characters shouldn't be the main focus.

You keep saying that yet you have posted in this thread nonstop. So which is it ? Minor or major issue ?

Well, it is his thread.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Foshizzlin wrote...
Make every character, with dialogue or not, be able to flirted with by the PC, if you want, but like with Aveline, make it to where not all will say yes. It'll be a lot more realistic than having certain archetypes to go to, or certain "minimal numbers" required for sexuality.

Realistic? There is no such thing as realistic with BioWare's romance. It's all about the infinite loop talks, "I'll talk to you later,"  center around quest after a short 3 to 4 dialogue lines. With this dumb-down-restricted-one-dimensional  interaction, every characters should always says no to romance.

[Enigmatick]

^God I love his posts. They seriously make any thread readable for me

[Rawgrim]

Renmiri1 wrote...

None of my friends are elves, I don't have any friends capable of magic and have never seen a dragon.

All this talk of "realism" in a sword and sorcery game only shows your bigotry

Dragons and sorcery excist in Thedas. So in the game, this is reality.

[Renmiri1]

Monica21 wrote...

Well, it is his thread.

So he says is minor and irrelevant but makes a thread about it ??



j/k

I know it is "romances i don't like" is minor and irrelevant, "romances I like" are the awsum1111

Was just wanting him to fess up 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 24 mars 2013 - 03:00 .

[Plaintiff]

Rawgrim wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

None of my friends are elves, I don't have any friends capable of magic and have never seen a dragon.

All this talk of "realism" in a sword and sorcery game only shows your bigotry

Dragons and sorcery excist in Thedas. So in the game, this is reality.

Well so does rampant bisexuality. Prove that it doesn't.

[daaaav]

Plaintiff wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Most videogames just don't have any gay charaters at all. That doesn't make the writers bigots, but it does mean that the homosexual community is being ignored.

I never said it was a deliberate act of malice.

I agree with this, but that leads me to the question of why every romance option is bisexual. That's the part that takes me out of the romance. The fact that Fenris would say the exact same thing to me whether I was a male or female PC is where I find his romance boring. As a character I don't know that, but as a player I do. What's wrong with having straight romance options and gay romance options?

Nothing really, as long as there's an equal representation of both (or at the very least, not as blatant an imbalance as ME3 had).

But homosexual relationships are not different from heterosexual relationships, so I don't think a bisexual character should treat the player any differently based on their gender.

Plaintiff,

Out of interest, is it only Bioware games that you demand this standard, or do you expect this equality of representation from all forms of media and literature?

[Rawgrim]

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

None of my friends are elves, I don't have any friends capable of magic and have never seen a dragon.

All this talk of "realism" in a sword and sorcery game only shows your bigotry

Dragons and sorcery excist in Thedas. So in the game, this is reality.

Well so does rampant bisexuality. Prove that it doesn't.

It does excist. I never disputed that. Its just overly simplifed when everyone just turns player-sexual in the second game, when they wern`t in the first one. The first game did set the stage, after all.

And Gaider said the ones in DA2 arn`t bisexual, by the way. Just for the record. He said their sexuality gets set based on the PC\\ s gender. Ergo: player sexual.

[Monica21]

Plaintiff wrote...
Well so does rampant bisexuality. Prove that it doesn't.

Four LI's is "rampant bisexuality"?

[InfinitePaths]

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

None of my friends are elves, I don't have any friends capable of magic and have never seen a dragon.

All this talk of "realism" in a sword and sorcery game only shows your bigotry

Dragons and sorcery excist in Thedas. So in the game, this is reality.

Well so does rampant bisexuality. Prove that it doesn't.

It does excist. I never disputed that. Its just overly simplifed when everyone just turns player-sexual in the second game, when they wern`t in the first one. The first game did set the stage, after all.

And Gaider said the ones in DA2 arn`t bisexual, by the way. Just for the record. He said their sexuality gets set based on the PC s gender. Ergo: player sexual.

He actually stated the opposite

[Monica21]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Well, it is his thread.

So he says is minor and irrelevant but makes a thread about it ??



j/k

I know it is "romances i don't like" is minor and irrelevant, "romances I like" are the awsum1111

Was just wanting him to fess up 

Well, I think it's minor, especially given that I've failed to romance anyone in a Dragon Age game in about a year and a half, but I think it's worth talking about.

[Plaintiff]

daaaav wrote...

Plaintiff,

Out of interest, is it only Bioware games that you demand this standard, or do you expect this equality of representation from all forms of media and literature?

I'm openly critical of the media industry in general, when it comes to the issue of equal representation. Not just for the LGBT community, but for ethnic minorities.

[Rawgrim]

Plaintiff wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Most videogames just don't have any gay charaters at all. That doesn't make the writers bigots, but it does mean that the homosexual community is being ignored.

I never said it was a deliberate act of malice.

I agree with this, but that leads me to the question of why every romance option is bisexual. That's the part that takes me out of the romance. The fact that Fenris would say the exact same thing to me whether I was a male or female PC is where I find his romance boring. As a character I don't know that, but as a player I do. What's wrong with having straight romance options and gay romance options?

Nothing really, as long as there's an equal representation of both (or at the very least, not as blatant an imbalance as ME3 had).

But homosexual relationships are not different from heterosexual relationships, so I don't think a bisexual character should treat the player any differently based on their gender.

You can`t make children in a homosexual relationship. Thats kind of a big difference.

[Plaintiff]

Monica21 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Well so does rampant bisexuality. Prove that it doesn't.

Four LI's is "rampant bisexuality"?

According to most of the people who argue against it, yes.

[Rawgrim]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

None of my friends are elves, I don't have any friends capable of magic and have never seen a dragon.

All this talk of "realism" in a sword and sorcery game only shows your bigotry

Dragons and sorcery excist in Thedas. So in the game, this is reality.

Well so does rampant bisexuality. Prove that it doesn't.

It does excist. I never disputed that. Its just overly simplifed when everyone just turns player-sexual in the second game, when they wern`t in the first one. The first game did set the stage, after all.

And Gaider said the ones in DA2 arn`t bisexual, by the way. Just for the record. He said their sexuality gets set based on the PC s gender. Ergo: player sexual.

He actually stated the opposite

I saw a quote yesterday, saying the LIs arn`t bisexual.