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[Renmiri1]

Foshizzlin wrote...

It's like people forget there's a little bit more to the game than just having sex.

Then why post about it and spend many pages discussing it ?

[Renmiri1]

krul2k wrote...

the harassing is being done equally from all sides whether straight or gay you got ppl on both not happy an no matter what bioware does will never be happy because simply put they will just ****** and moan about something else.

Guaranteed if bioware had equal LI of each orientation one group would damn well complain the other groups is better looking.

wheres the topics praising bioware in the steps there taking??? all i ever see here is topics on how "bad" or how not "realistic" a damn well fantasy game is, why dont these all so righteous ppl who are constantly putting these topics up actually start praising bioware in there endeavours to progress there games in the area of sexuality an equality? why not support an encourage instead of constantly knocking things down

Show me a post from me or Plaintiff criticising Bioware or DA2 for the way gender is portrayed on their games.

"Both sides do it" is the lazy refuge of the person caught being a bigot...

I did find this on page 4 though

Plaintiff wrote...

I think the way DA2 handled things was just fine. Fantastic, even. Perfect.

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And you will find me and plaintiff and others HAPPY and praising the current way Bioware handles things.

So no "Both sides DON'T do it", the bigots are the ones creating thread after thread after thread to get the inclusiveness changed. And they are the ones being whiny and disrespectful to Bioware.

[Renmiri1]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Because my main point is to open up the whole sexual issue and not have so much arguing over specific numbers and "alotments" of homosexual/heterosexual/bisexual characters.

We are not arguing, we like things the way they are on DA2.


You are badgering the wrong people.

[unbentbuzzkill]

it's just a game it isn't going to affect how people view sexuality. nor should it.

[Jeffonl1]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

Because my main point is to open up the whole sexual issue and not have so much arguing over specific numbers and "alotments" of homosexual/heterosexual/bisexual characters.

We are not arguing, we like things the way they are on DA2.


You are badgering the wrong people.

That's a bit too negative for me. 
What if DAI changes (to one degree or another) from DA2?  Are we now frozen to a DA2 standard?
If change does come, do we then say Bioware capitulated to "bigots"? Or capitulated to some other interest group? 
Make requests for romances but let Bioware decide - let it fit the story. Let Bioware experiment/innovate - tell a good story, and make a great game.
I hope DAI is story driven.  Let the characters be as they need to be. 

[Renmiri1]

You are building strawman arguments then dismantling them. Fun ?

I am not complaining about DAI and am eager to see the game. Until then all speculation is moot. It is not us the "gender equality" crowd that keep on creating thread after thread after thread asking for changes, so quit accusing us of stuff we never said.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 25 mars 2013 - 12:03 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Hey how about we throw out the romances all-together unless they actually contribute to the story some way?

You know, it's rather indicative of a problem when some 50% of forum topics are about LIs, LI quotas, "inclusitivity" (because it's sexist/racist/homophobic if something doesn't want to bang the PC) and other topics related to virtual characters getting it on.

This sort of stuff isn't going to determine if the game is good or not, and it doesn't add to the universe. It has become little more than personal wish fulfillment on behalf of a hyper-sensitive fanbase.

Modifié par Inquisitor Recon, 25 mars 2013 - 12:11 .

[billy the squid]

I prefer them to dispense with the facade and simply link the player to various porn sites where they can charge a micro transaction fee and require internet access, based upon a player's specific preferences.

Clearly a certain sect of people here desire pixel porn wish fulfilment prioritised above most other concepts, so why are we beating about the bush?

[Inquisitor Recon]

billy the squid wrote...

I prefer them to dispense with the facade and simply link the player to various porn sites where they can charge a micro transaction fee and require internet access, based upon a player's specific preferences.

Clearly a certain sect of people here desire pixel porn wish fulfilment prioritised above most other concepts, so why are we beating about the bush?

I say a full Dragon Age/Mass Effect themed dating simulator with DLC microtransaction romances!

[billy the squid]

We've solved the impending crisis of inflating costs and declining revenue streams, while removing the blight of the social equality/inclusiveness crusaders at a stroke. A nice day's work Inquisitor.

Modifié par billy the squid, 25 mars 2013 - 12:30 .

[Renmiri1]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Hey how about we throw out the romances all-together unless they actually contribute to the story some way?

You know, it's rather indicative of a problem when some 50% of forum topics are about LIs, LI quotas, "inclusitivity" (because it's sexist/racist/homophobic if something doesn't want to bang the PC) and other topics related to virtual characters getting it on.

This sort of stuff isn't going to determine if the game is good or not, and it doesn't add to the universe. It has become little more than personal wish fulfillment on behalf of a hyper-sensitive fanbase.

Except that 100% of the forum topics about LIs are complaining DA2 was TOO INCLUSIVE.

Find me a thread or a post demanding inclusion and complaining about what is on DA2. There isn't one.

You are trying to make people who like inclusiveness as the villains that are badgering Bioware devs, when reality is just the opposite. People who want inclusiveness like what we got in DA2. The whining and demanding is being done by the people who can't bear inclusiveness.

And no, "It has become little more than personal wish fulfillment on behalf of a hyper-sensitive fanbase" is not what is going on, what is going on is that bigots are not having their wish fulfilled and they are raising up a fuss.

Don't like inclusiveness ? Play a different game.

[Volus Warlord]

Renmiri1 wrote...


Don't like inclusiveness ? Play a different game.

I love the irony of this statement.

[Renmiri1]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...


Don't like inclusiveness ? Play a different game.

I love the irony of this statement.

So do I 

Listen, you are blaming some shadowy politically correct cabal for how things were done in DA2 but it is not the case. We who favor inclusiveness were as surprised as you were when we saw the game, and I was shocked - pleasantly shocked - to see David Gaider take such a firm stance for fairness.

Am I happy one game does what I think is right and fair ? Yes. Did I badger Bioware or create a single thread to force them to do it ? No.

[Renmiri1]

billy the squid wrote...

I prefer them to dispense with the facade and simply link the player to various porn sites where they can charge a micro transaction fee and require internet access, based upon a player's specific preferences.

Clearly a certain sect of people here desire pixel porn wish fulfilment prioritised above most other concepts, so why are we beating about the bush?

Foshizzlin wrote...

Shut up and take my sovereigns.

See ? It isn't us, it is the hetero males who want pixel pr0n. Go check the nudity thread. Foshizzlin is the one wanting full frontal nudes, most of us, including myself are perfectly fine with fade to black and undies like DA2 had.

[billy the squid]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Hey how about we throw out the romances all-together unless they actually contribute to the story some way?

You know, it's rather indicative of a problem when some 50% of forum topics are about LIs, LI quotas, "inclusitivity" (because it's sexist/racist/homophobic if something doesn't want to bang the PC) and other topics related to virtual characters getting it on.

This sort of stuff isn't going to determine if the game is good or not, and it doesn't add to the universe. It has become little more than personal wish fulfillment on behalf of a hyper-sensitive fanbase.

Except that 100% of the forum topics about LIs are complaining DA2 was TOO INCLUSIVE.

Find me a thread or a post demanding inclusion and complaining about what is on DA2. There isn't one.

You are trying to make people who like inclusiveness as the villains that are badgering Bioware devs, when reality is just the opposite. People who want inclusiveness like what we got in DA2. The whining and demanding is being done by the people who can't bear inclusiveness.

And no, "It has become little more than personal wish fulfillment on behalf of a hyper-sensitive fanbase" is not what is going on, what is going on is that bigots are not having their wish fulfilled and they are raising up a fuss.

Don't like inclusiveness ? Play a different game.

I submit that 

1) You're mistaking the topics pointing out thet banging every character companion is stupid. Particularly as it has no relevance to plot or story, which is the actualdefinition of wish fullfilment.

2) This one http://social.biowar...ndex/16370799/8 There are a vast number, I'm not about to waste my time listing them all.

3) You seem to be mistaking complaints regarding the stupidity of the character system which has been reduced to wish fullfilment for banging one's favorite pixel waifu at the expense of what is has to actually do with the plot. With complaints about the concept of inclusion. 

Huge difference between implementation and concept,

[billy the squid]

Renmiri1 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

I prefer them to dispense with the facade and simply link the player to various porn sites where they can charge a micro transaction fee and require internet access, based upon a player's specific preferences.

Clearly a certain sect of people here desire pixel porn wish fulfilment prioritised above most other concepts, so why are we beating about the bush?

Foshizzlin wrote...

Shut up and take my sovereigns.

See ? It isn't us, it is the hetero males who want pixel pr0n. Go check the nudity thread. Foshizzlin is the one wanting full frontal nudes, most of us, including myself are perfectly fine with fade to black and undies like DA2 had.

Says the person arguing for inclusion. I want gay sex you homophobic bigot. Just because I like men doesn't imply that I don't favour coherent application of characters in the plot not simple pixel porn.

Modifié par billy the squid, 25 mars 2013 - 01:26 .

[Asch Lavigne]

I think Gaider or someone should just come out and say that the party members and LIs have already been decided (and mostly if not all finished) so people should just stop making requests, period.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

To be fair, it's emotional porn that people are clamouring over. If it were simple pixel porn they were after, BioWare's fan community would spend their time modding Bethesda games.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 25 mars 2013 - 01:37 .

[Volus Warlord]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...


Don't like inclusiveness ? Play a different game.

I love the irony of this statement.

So do I 

Listen, you are blaming some shadowy politically correct cabal for how things were done in DA2 but it is not the case. We who favor inclusiveness were as surprised as you were when we saw the game, and I was shocked - pleasantly shocked - to see David Gaider take such a firm stance for fairness.

Am I happy one game does what I think is right and fair ? Yes. Did I badger Bioware or create a single thread to force them to do it ? No.

A firm stance on fairness.. as a compensation for utter disappointment in nearly every other aspect.  Doesn't sound like a good off trade to me.

I do not blame you for what DA2 was. I blame Bioware for that. What I do blame you for is championing DA2 as a sign of progress and a step in the right direction when it was a back step in almost every capacity. 

As a nice comparison for you, it'd be like if there was this type of car that everyone loved. and then the next year it was stripped of everything but bare necessities, quality was reduced, but had a new rainbow paint job availible. And then you disregard all of the downgrades over the rainbow paint job, and say it's the best thing they've ever done. Why make a good car when you can sell a piece of **** with a rainbow paint job, and be PRAISED for it?

Would I be happy with the manufacturer? No. Would I be happy with those that applaud the change? No. 

What DA2 did was appeal to the "Tolerance" Brigade in order to build some support, instead of being a sound product. Call me bigoted, but I think it's nonsense.  It's a poorly veiled excuse for mediocrity. Does anyone really want more of that?  "It could be better, it should be better, but it's more TOLERANT!" -Dragon Age 2's motto. And that is what you are pushing for in Dragon Age 3 as well, because Dragon Age 2 is the right way to go. 

To counter your next argument, "It can be both good and 'tolerant' !" I don't buy it. Maybe so, but we've yet to see it. 

[Volus Warlord]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

I think Gaider or someone should just come out and say that the party members and LIs have already been decided (and mostly if not all finished) so people should just stop making requests, period.

 Yeah, that won't stop anything.