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[Renmiri1]

Gaider actually did say that most LIs are already decided and inclusiveness is here to stay

@billy the squid - A thread about boobs for the PC is a thread from people who favor inclusiveness of all flavors of sexuality ? Nevermind, you are getting offensive and completely misrepresenting my posts. I am homophobic bigot ? First time for everything I guess. I'm done talking to you. Blocked

Modifié par Renmiri1, 25 mars 2013 - 01:53 .

[rapscallioness]

Actually, Gaider did say that a while back. Sum thread on the BSN. Can't remember exactly.

Though, he, too said that he knows that won't stop anybody.

edit: ninja'd

Modifié par rapscallioness, 25 mars 2013 - 01:44 .

[saMoorai]

CrustyBot wrote...

To be fair, it's emotional porn that people are clamouring over. If it were simple pixel porn they were after, BioWare's fan community would spend their time modding Bethesda games.

Anime nude mods.

Anime nude mods everywhere. 

[billy the squid]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Gaider actually did say that most LIs are already decided and inclusiveness is here to stay

@billy the squid - A thread about boobs for the PC is a thread from people who favor inclusiveness of all flavors of sexuality ? Nevermind, you are getting offensive and completely misrepresenting my posts. I am homophobic bigot ? First time for everything I guess. I'm done talking to you. Blocked

You didn't actually read anything of what Plaintiff and others said. did you? Why am I not surprised that willful blindness is the hall mark of what happens when people start poking holes in your arguments. 

I'm not misrepresenting anything, as many have already explained, inclusivity at the cost of coherency isn't a good thing. What you then say equates to "lalalalala I can't hear you, you're all bigots." I decided to play the same game.

Guess what, it's annoying when someone is being willfully obtuse isn't it? It's always nice to add another person to the list of people who block me because they have nothing coherent to say and repeat the same tired diatribe again, as if to console themselves "because all the bad people are just being mean!"

Modifié par billy the squid, 25 mars 2013 - 02:12 .

[Xilizhra]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...


Don't like inclusiveness ? Play a different game.

I love the irony of this statement.

So do I 

Listen, you are blaming some shadowy politically correct cabal for how things were done in DA2 but it is not the case. We who favor inclusiveness were as surprised as you were when we saw the game, and I was shocked - pleasantly shocked - to see David Gaider take such a firm stance for fairness.

Am I happy one game does what I think is right and fair ? Yes. Did I badger Bioware or create a single thread to force them to do it ? No.

A firm stance on fairness.. as a compensation for utter disappointment in nearly every other aspect.  Doesn't sound like a good off trade to me.

I do not blame you for what DA2 was. I blame Bioware for that. What I do blame you for is championing DA2 as a sign of progress and a step in the right direction when it was a back step in almost every capacity. 

As a nice comparison for you, it'd be like if there was this type of car that everyone loved. and then the next year it was stripped of everything but bare necessities, quality was reduced, but had a new rainbow paint job availible. And then you disregard all of the downgrades over the rainbow paint job, and say it's the best thing they've ever done. Why make a good car when you can sell a piece of **** with a rainbow paint job, and be PRAISED for it?

Would I be happy with the manufacturer? No. Would I be happy with those that applaud the change? No. 

What DA2 did was appeal to the "Tolerance" Brigade in order to build some support, instead of being a sound product. Call me bigoted, but I think it's nonsense.  It's a poorly veiled excuse for mediocrity. Does anyone really want more of that?  "It could be better, it should be better, but it's more TOLERANT!" -Dragon Age 2's motto. And that is what you are pushing for in Dragon Age 3 as well, because Dragon Age 2 is the right way to go. 

To counter your next argument, "It can be both good and 'tolerant' !" I don't buy it. Maybe so, but we've yet to see it. 

You're being utterly absurd. Tolerance is easy. It's being exclusionary that takes extra effort.

[Willowhugger]

I confess a certain level of confusion. I've read on these forums that LIs are fluid and "love always points to Hawke" (except when it's Aveline). However, I've also read stories that state that it just happens that Fenris, Merill, Isabella, Talis, and Anders are bisexual. Which is, admittedly, rather odd but only if we assume bisexuality isn't more common in Thedas than it is in the RL or it's a fairly minor coincidence.

I'm okay with either, really.

What would I like from romances? I'd like to have this romance be a bit more permanent than the others. I'd like to have the option to propose. Call me crazy but I really liked Alistair and Anora getting very permanent endings. If the game is also going to be over a very long time, I'd also like the option for children or a nursery in the castle.

(Presumably adoption for a gay couple)

Unlikely, I know.

[Battlebloodmage]

This argument seems to pop up every month, and the arguments keep going around in circle every single time.

[Inquisitor Recon]

It's amusing how tolerance now means "Person A is willing to bang Person B regardless of certain factors that determine if Person A is interested in Person B". Am I supposed to believe that it is "exclusionary" for Person A to not be interested in Person B? Do some people go by this logic IRL?

"Inclusiveness" is another one of those words you only hear used by human resources and social justice crusaders. Lets call things as they are rather than flinging around these terms, shall we?

The community here is way too sensitive about these romances. The truth is that the entire matter has become a matter of wish fulfillment with little-to-no relevance to the story. Burn it down and start over. Damn inclusiveness, quotas, and character fanbases. One or two well done romances that are hard to achieve but have an actual impact are far better than a dozen designed to merely appeal to the desires of some fans looking for their perfect waifu.

Modifié par Inquisitor Recon, 25 mars 2013 - 05:50 .

[Xilizhra]

It's amusing how tolerance now means "Person A is willing to bang Person B regardless of certain factors that determine if Person A is interested in Person B". Am I supposed to believe that it is "exclusionary" for Person A to not be interested in Person B? Do some people go by this logic IRL?

That might have some pretense of significance if it was referring to actual people. What's meant by tolerance is how the designers make things, not how the characters act. Ultimately, romance inclusiveness costs nothing of significance and can satisfy more people.

The community here is way too sensitive about these romances. The truth is that the entire matter has become a matter of wish fulfillment with little-to-no relevance to the story. Burn it down and start over. Damn inclusiveness, quotas, and character fanbases. One or two well done romances that are hard to achieve but have an actual impact are far better than a dozen designed to merely appeal to the desires of some fans looking for their perfect waifu.

And we should care about your sensitivity to alleged sensitivity over romances more than you care about said romances because...?

[Inquisitor Recon]

Xilizhra wrote...
That might have some pretense of significance if it was referring to actual people. What's meant by tolerance is how the designers make things, not how the characters act. Ultimately, romance inclusiveness costs nothing of significance and can satisfy more people.

Let me help you out a bit. Replace Person A with your waifu and Person B with you. Your "romance inclusiveness" is simply removing gender as a factor of a relationship, which accomplishes nothing other than more wish fulfillment. It adds nothing to the gameplay, nothing to the story, etc.

And we should care about your sensitivity to alleged sensitivity over romances more than you care about said romances because...?

Did I strike a nerve? It's quite obvious people are sensitive about their beloved romances when 1/3 topics of the topics here seem to be about them, despite so little being revealed about DA:I. I'm stating my opinion on what I think would make the game better, and you in theory are doing the same. Dressing it up with terms like inclusiveness doesn't change the simplicity of that.

Modifié par Inquisitor Recon, 25 mars 2013 - 06:35 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Filament wrote...

I guess they should to take your competing vision of the perfect waifu into consideration before deciding whose wish they should fulfill.

Well then, Dragon Age 3 should have a Broodmother and Desire Demon threesome with the Inquisitor (Recon).

10/10, would bang

[Inquisitor Recon]

Filament wrote...
I guess they should to take your competing vision of the perfect waifu into consideration before deciding whose wish they should fulfill.

Broodmother tbh.

[ObserverStatus]

CrustyBot wrote...

Filament wrote...
I guess they should to take your competing vision of the perfect waifu into consideration before deciding whose wish they should fulfill.

Well then, Dragon Age 3 should have a Broodmother and Desire Demon threesome with the Inquisitor (Recon).
2/10, would not bang

I fixed your post for you.

Modifié par bobobo878, 25 mars 2013 - 07:10 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Let me help you out a bit. Replace Person A with your waifu and Person B with you. Your "romance inclusiveness" is simply removing gender as a factor of a relationship, which accomplishes nothing other than more wish fulfillment. It adds nothing to the gameplay, nothing to the story, etc.

One could argue it removes nothing from either of those things. But it does add more gameplay and story options to the player, if gender isn't a factor.

Personally I feel in RPGs the only deciding factor on a relationship should be personality not race or gender. If you are playing the type of character a given romantic partner would be interested in, then the option should be there.

The reverse should also be true though. I dislike the notion that an LI will romance you regardless of your personality and/or actions. (i.e. Merrill loves puppies. You love killing puppies...in front of Merrill. No, she will not find you hot.) While the rivalmances in DA2 themselves were actually pretty well done, the actions you'd have to take to get that rivalry in other areas of the story generally make you into someone they would never want.

To put it another way, Your actions playing the game should decide the potential. Not your actions on the character creation screen.

[Homebound]

how about the devs make a mass effect/dragon age dating sim and be done with it?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Homebound wrote...

how about the devs make a mass effect/dragon age dating sim and be done with it?

♥♥ Tali ♥♥

Modifié par CrustyBot, 25 mars 2013 - 08:40 .

[Xilizhra]

Let me help you out a bit. Replace Person A with your waifu and Person B with you. Your "romance inclusiveness" is simply removing gender as a factor of a relationship, which accomplishes nothing other than more wish fulfillment. It adds nothing to the gameplay, nothing to the story, etc.

For one thing, "removing gender as a factor" doesn't cost any resources, so there's no possible way it can make either the gameplay or the story worse. For another, you've misunderstood the nature of this; it's more about designing the character so that gender isn't a factor, as opposed to removing some alleged previously existing trait.

[Renmiri1]

You would think we are taling about Tolstoy, Kafka or James Joyce's Ulysses here, with all this wailing about "waaah waaahhh you should be worrying about the story".

Face the reality folks, high literature Dragon Age ain't. It is very well written and designed but it is fluff, conceived and designed for entertainment purposes. Sure it can touch in some serious themes AND IT DOES, the effort of presenting an inclusive gender neutral society is laudable and encouraging.

Now guess what the whiners that want "better story" are objecting to ? To one of the very few attempts at making DA story more relevant to today's debates in society.

[Pierce Miller]

I hate the idea of being turned down by anyone in a videogame I mean it's a videogame!!! I get turned down by everyone in real life....That's why I play games to escape my own life and feel like a total badass.

[Senya]

I think romance should be about story and the character themselves. However they turn out, it shouldn't be because of a tally.