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[KingZayd]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

a) if beating you makes him happier, then the revelation that he didn't really, and you decided "he could do with a win" would probably offend him a little in my opinion.

I doubt he would be offended. That's not the kind of person he is. He might be disappointed. And why would I want to see him disappointed? I wouldn't. That's why I wouldn't tell him. And that's also why I let him win.

I just feel that's the way you would treat a child, not an equal. (Not that children aren't equal human beings, but you know.. patronisation)

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Modifié par KingZayd, 25 mars 2013 - 04:14 .

[Sajuro]

Bleachrude wrote...

It depends on how you roleplay it....

Personally, unless I'm rolling an infiltrator (and I actually flipped a coin when I did my femshe infiltrator garrus romance run), there's no reason why my character should be better than a turian sniper.

Especially if you're coming from the older games where you couldn't use sniper rifles (biotic shepard being super good with a sniper rifle? Nah....)

Now, what Bioware should've done is what they did in the last two DLCs (Omega and Citadel). Allow for your class to determine whether or not you could make the shot....thus, if you were a non-infiltrator you wouldn't even be offered the choice whereas only infiltrators could make it....

What about a soldier who picked up the sniper proficiency in ME1?

[InvincibleHero]

Garrus has too much pride to accept being handed the win. I can see letting him win if playing a Shepard that is not a shooting martial class ie engineer.

[ThatDancingTurian]

KingZayd wrote...

I just feel that's the way you would treat a child, not an equal. (Not that children aren't equal human beings, but you know.. patronisation)

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

And I feel that's the way you treat someone when you care about them enough that making them happy is more important than posturing and ego. Just because someone is your equal doesn't mean you can't treat them nice every now and then.

But you're right, there are many ways to look at it and I don't think we'll ever see it from the same angle.

[KingZayd]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

I just feel that's the way you would treat a child, not an equal. (Not that children aren't equal human beings, but you know.. patronisation)

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

And I feel that's the way you treat someone when you care about them enough that making them happy is more important than posturing and ego. Just because someone is your equal doesn't mean you can't treat them nice every now and then.

But you're right, there are many ways to look at it and I don't think we'll ever see it from the same angle.

It seems we're looking at it completely differently.

You seem to think that playing the game properly is about posturing and ego, whereas I believe that's where the fun is.
You seem to think that letting someone win is the nice thing to do, whereas I think it's not that nice at all (and has more to do with ego than actually playing the game)

Since we seem to disagree so fundamentally on this issue, we probably won't.

Modifié par KingZayd, 25 mars 2013 - 04:35 .

[Wolfva2]

I think the golden rule applies. I know I would be pretty dang upset if someone threw a game so I could 'feel better'. I mean, not only are they better then me (which is nothing to be upset about), but they have so little respect for me they're going to lie to my face about it? No. If you're my friend, you will be bluntly honest with me; just as I will be bluntly honest to you. When we're on the rooftop blasting bottles, I'm going to do my best to beat you, and I expect the same from you. Any thing less is a diminishment of our friendship, and a lack of respect.

Having said that, I might just throw the match in this play through. Mainly because I went Vanguard and specialized in the pistol. Granted, I DID eventually pick up the sniper skill. Still, someone who's been sniping his adult life is going to be better then some plebe who just picked up the sniper rifle a few weeks ago. This, however, is a ROLEPLAY decision. My character should not have any where NEAR the proficeincy that Garrus has, so he can't possibly win. On the other hand, if the competition changes to biotic charge, I'll paste the turrian.

[Hazegurl]

Garrus loves talking shyt about his sniping skills so I always hit the bottle just to shut him up.

[KingZayd]

Wolfva2 wrote...

I think the golden rule applies. I know I would be pretty dang upset if someone threw a game so I could 'feel better'. I mean, not only are they better then me (which is nothing to be upset about), but they have so little respect for me they're going to lie to my face about it? No. If you're my friend, you will be bluntly honest with me; just as I will be bluntly honest to you. When we're on the rooftop blasting bottles, I'm going to do my best to beat you, and I expect the same from you. Any thing less is a diminishment of our friendship, and a lack of respect.

Having said that, I might just throw the match in this play through. Mainly because I went Vanguard and specialized in the pistol. Granted, I DID eventually pick up the sniper skill. Still, someone who's been sniping his adult life is going to be better then some plebe who just picked up the sniper rifle a few weeks ago. This, however, is a ROLEPLAY decision. My character should not have any where NEAR the proficeincy that Garrus has, so he can't possibly win. On the other hand, if the competition changes to biotic charge, I'll paste the turrian.

To be fair, it is a tie. Garrus never missed. He'd probably still hit it if you could throw further/faster.
My vanguard who picked up the Krogan shotgun skill didn't miss 

Modifié par KingZayd, 25 mars 2013 - 04:50 .

[TNT1991]

Because my Shepard romanced him and if I didn't let him win, he doesn't put his arms around her at the end of the cutscene...

Plus, my Shepard isn't good with a sniper rifle anyway, so it makes sense for Garrus to win and my Shepard to lose either way.  

Modifié par TNT1991, 25 mars 2013 - 06:28 .

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

What matters more? Honesty or being disrespectful?

You people are so pathetic, a challenge is a challenge. Not a thing of modesty. I bet you're the bunch of pansies who would surrender first to an enemy in war! Goddammit! Build some backbone and be a gentleman!

[andy6915]

^
Well that escalated quickly.

[ShaggyWolf]

I read the choice as "Is my Shepard a good sniper or not?" decision, rather than "Let him win or not."

My canon broshep is typically a soldier who owns it up with snipers in all 3 games. Vakarian's good, but he spends a lot of time complimenting my headshots in ME2, so I opt to win.

My femshep playthrough that I'm very slowly working on will 'let him win' or rather, not beat him because she's a vanguard who's really good at headbutting people and blowing random parts off with a shotgun. She's not the kind of fighter that could outsnipe Garrus.

I don't think the dialogue or wording is so specific that one can't interpret the scene this way.

[Bleachrude]

Sajuro wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

It depends on how you roleplay it....

Personally, unless I'm rolling an infiltrator (and I actually flipped a coin when I did my femshe infiltrator garrus romance run), there's no reason why my character should be better than a turian sniper.

Especially if you're coming from the older games where you couldn't use sniper rifles (biotic shepard being super good with a sniper rifle? Nah....)

Now, what Bioware should've done is what they did in the last two DLCs (Omega and Citadel). Allow for your class to determine whether or not you could make the shot....thus, if you were a non-infiltrator you wouldn't even be offered the choice whereas only infiltrators could make it....

What about a soldier who picked up the sniper proficiency in ME1?

It depends on how I envision my character...If my character can claim 50%+ of their kills via either the single or triple shot sniper rifles, (no indra or Viper) I will literally flip a coin to determine whether or not my character will win the contest since Garrus is supposed to be JUST as good.

Now...any other  character?

I just can't see my character winning the competition....

[L2 Sentinel]

I "let" Garrus win because I really suck at shooters. It's the reason why I didn't touch the series for so long despite being aware of it. I picked Infiltrator when I finally got around to trying it, but I kept dying on Eden Prime (on Normal difficulty even). I restarted and picked Adept solely because they seemed like the least dependent on guns. Since I can't aim for ****, it makes sense that my Shepard isn't particularly good at it, either. In my headcanon, Shepard legitimately tried his best, but he just isn't a very good shot.

Modifié par Rauhel, 25 mars 2013 - 09:38 .

[KiwiQuiche]

My Shep was a Vanguard, so she's a lot better at punching people to death and using close-range shotguns than sniper rifles lol

[Fog.Gene]

OP, because I've done the same with a friend in real life, and the permanent smile that was in his face for the rest of the week was worth every second of the teasing that came with it.

As you can see, my reasons were purely egoistical ones. And I will never apologize for that

Life has the colors that we paint it with, sometimes it's just hard to see the full spectrum. Contrary to what it might seem, honesty is not always the paramount of goodness. We can be really honest and a complete jerk at the same time.

That said, I respect your choice as much as mine, as I see nothing wrong with your intention or the result.

[Bourne Endeavor]

KingZayd wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

a) if beating you makes him happier, then the revelation that he didn't really, and you decided "he could do with a win" would probably offend him a little in my opinion.

I doubt he would be offended. That's not the kind of person he is. He might be disappointed. And why would I want to see him disappointed? I wouldn't. That's why I wouldn't tell him. And that's also why I let him win.

I just feel that's the way you would treat a child, not an equal. (Not that children aren't equal human beings, but you know.. patronisation)

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Think of it this way. Sniping is Garrus' thing, that one niche is particularly prideful about. This was never about competition, so much as two friends shooting the breeze and unwinding a little. Even if Garrus knew - and on some level he probably does. It's just an acknowledge Shepard cares more about their friendship than being the beat at everything.

People who have the "ultra competitive" vibe are applying context that isn't there. If you aim to beat everyone into the ground, even consider leisurely circumstances. Well... take my advice and never play with a GF. 

[Helios969]

Since there's not actually any skill involved (miss/make choice) why does it matter? You're not actually winning/losing anything. I miss cause my head canon says Garrus is better with a sniper rifle...that's it.

[EnvyTB075]

What?

[KingZayd]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

a) if beating you makes him happier, then the revelation that he didn't really, and you decided "he could do with a win" would probably offend him a little in my opinion.

I doubt he would be offended. That's not the kind of person he is. He might be disappointed. And why would I want to see him disappointed? I wouldn't. That's why I wouldn't tell him. And that's also why I let him win.

I just feel that's the way you would treat a child, not an equal. (Not that children aren't equal human beings, but you know.. patronisation)

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Think of it this way. Sniping is Garrus' thing, that one niche is particularly prideful about. This was never about competition, so much as two friends shooting the breeze and unwinding a little. Even if Garrus knew - and on some level he probably does. It's just an acknowledge Shepard cares more about their friendship than being the beat at everything.

People who have the "ultra competitive" vibe are applying context that isn't there. If you aim to beat everyone into the ground, even consider leisurely circumstances. Well... take my advice and never play with a GF. 

beating people into the ground, and beating them are two different things. And yes, I think it'd be stupid to let your GF win too.

What you're referring to as "ultra-competetive", seems to be simply normal. You don't care much if you win or lose, and you trust that your opponent doesn't care much either. Do you think Garrus brought you up there, to beat you into the ground, knowing that he's the better sniper? No. He just wanted to relax and have some friendly competition. By throwing the game, you're at best wasting his time.

"It's just an acknowledge Shepard cares more about their friendship than being the beat at everything."
This is why I think it's an arrogant move. This translates to: "I'm better than him at everything else, and maybe at sniping too. I'll let him have sniping. He could do with a win"

Look at that cutscene. Garrus doesn't know you let him win, because why would you? He doesn't need your charity.

[George Costanza]

I let him win every time. I'm not really sure why. Maybe just to make him happy.

[DoodlyDangus]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

My Shep was a Vanguard, so she's a lot better at punching people to death and using close-range shotguns than sniper rifles lol

Ditto. Shotguns and assault rifles are her bread and butter apart from the blue stuff.

[VoodooDrackus]

Ahh modesty, where have you gone?

There is a reason the choice to miss the shot is a Paragon trigger. If you don't view your Shep as a Paragon then you don't take the trigger.

The guy just went through hell and you want to make it about you. You are actually being completely selfish. If that is how you are playing your Shep then that is fine for you, not I though. I have a hard time being a jerk to people I care about in their time of need.

Garrus needed to feel better about himself. Helping him do so by missing the shot is the right thing to do, thus why it is a paragon trigger.

Take what Jack tells you if you ask her if she has told her students that she doesn't feel they are ready for war. "No, they need me to believe in them. I did pick up a few things listening to your damn speeches."


The stats actually make me feel some hope for humanity since 64.5% have gone the Paragon route, while the rest went the jerky route.

[Petrikles]

I didn't let him win. He was simply better at the shooting. Serious.

[HiddenInWar]

Arcian wrote...

Is this the real life.

no this is patrick