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[Astartes Marine]

Hendrik.III wrote...
But I get your point - Ash of all people should be curious because she's religious, and it would be something she would ask, but I kind of understand BW wanting to keep such a discussion out of their game. It would come down to religious views, or lack thereof, and you don't want to touch that, it never ends well.

I distinctly remember a dialogue between Shepard and Williams in ME1 about religion.  The answer I always chose that I too believed in the good lord almighty.

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 24 mars 2013 - 09:24 .

[Rhayak]

I think BW did very well, avoiding any and all religious considerations about the episode.

I mean, what if they had made Shepard say "Yes i was in heaven and there were Angel hotties and chocolate waterfalls. How i hate you for bringing me back." ?

Imagine the buzz non-christians would've raised.

[IllusiveManJr]

Controversy. Something ME3 has expertly avoided.

[Kondensatorn]

Rhayak wrote...
I mean, what if they had made Shepard say "Yes i was in heaven and there were Angel hotties and chocolate waterfalls. How i hate you for bringing me back."

 
How awesome that would had been xD 
Shepard constantly blaming Miranda for bringing him back while charging head first into any suicide mission he can get his hands on so he can return to his wonderland.

But I have never considered Shepard before his death to be the same person as the one after the Lazarus project.
Sure they revived the body completely but the old Shepard is gone forever, since there's nothing to revive after brain death.
Thus I consider the Shepard in ME2 and ME3 to be a clone or a weird genetic "son" in his fathers body...thing... I think clone would be the most accurate but the clone is another Shepard and have never experienced death itself and therefore have no "memory" of it.
Unless Shepard by some miracle never reached the point of brain death, but then he was in a coma and not dead so  he would never have experienced death and its " Angel hotties and chocolate waterfalls".
Gives me a headache just thinking about it.
 

Modifié par Kondensatorn, 24 mars 2013 - 01:14 .

[alsonamedbort]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

NCommand wrote...

His reconstruction took two years, was dead for quite a while though, longer than any other living being, I guess it was just nothing, man how terrifying that idea is

. . . it would make you feel better thinking there's some all-powerful and all-knowing bearded being in the sky watching everything you do and listening to all your thoughts so that incase you displease him he will throw your soul into a pit of fire and agony so you can be punished for the rest of eternity? 

. . . but he loves you unconditionally LOL what a joke.

This actually is the best example to OP for why BioWare made have decided to avoid this topic. 

[Mordanticus]

Shepard ascended into a bright light, as a blue armor clad hand reached down to guide him to his heavenly rest.. Face to face now with the divine, Shepard was comforted as the grandeur of Marauder Shields was revealed.. Safe from the horror of the endings to come.. and then.. well.. the Lazarus Project pulled him back and the path toward inevitable doom began again.. Leaving a perplexed and annoyed Marauder Shields..

Hold the Line.. For Life..

[shepskisaac]

Ashely has a cut dialogue where she asks specifically about that. Didn't make it into the game for whatever reasons

[Rhayak]

Kondensatorn wrote...
But I have never considered Shepard before his death to be the same person as the one after the Lazarus project.
Sure they revived the body completely but the old Shepard is gone forever, since there's nothing to revive after brain death.

Thinking about it, you could be right. He may well be not the same person at all. Just a flawless copy (except the scars, but you can also fix those.... for an outrageous amount of platinum ).

Even Super Future Science can't change what happens when a brain dies and stays so for.... how long was it before Lazarus started? Doesn't matter. Way too much. Raw beef is more lively than that.

I'll just go ahead and accept the power of plot.

[Kelwing]

arial wrote...

 So, shepard was dead for two years. a corpse. cold. decaying. lifeless.

And then they brought him back, useing some unknown medical procedure which was never explained nor seems to be repeatible

and yet.

Why does no one ask about the Afterlife? Shepard is the one person who can prove, or disprove almost every human religion (heaven, Hell, Purgatory, re-incarnation). and yet no one bothers to say "Hey Shep, what does happen to us once we die? I'd like to know if I should start going to church"....


*returns to the Shadows*

Take Ash to Cerberus base.

[Archonsg]

Personally I thought it was because Bioware felt it would have stayed well into making a religious statement if they had commented, so they went "uh... let's not go there and took the scene out.

That way, " lots of speculation... "

[Wifflebottom]

Doesn't Ash ask that at the Chronos Station?

[BlameTheTank]

You got it all wrong... The ESSENCE of Shepard didn`t die xD

[TK514]

Because BioWare wishes they'd gone with the "he was in a coma for two years" plot line after all.

[Sunsetspawn]

IllusiveManJr wrote...

Because it didn't make sense. Everything else in ME3 made sense. That didn't, so they cut it.

This is the fanbase?  Really?

I'm quiting gaming and putting all my money into guns, ammo, and range time because society is almost at an end.

[Anubis722]

TK514 wrote...

Because BioWare wishes they'd gone with the "he was in a coma for two years" plot line after all.

i'll go with this

[Lars10178]

Because no one cares OP, why would Bioware want to alienate their fans?

[BeastSaver]

Oops. Wrong quote.

Modifié par BeastSaver, 25 mars 2013 - 07:07 .

[Knight of Dane]

Almost all occations of Shepard character development was cut.

Like this

I don't understand the writers.

[Kabooooom]

Because there is no such thing as the afterlife.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Almost all occations of Shepard character development was cut.

Like this

I don't understand the writers.

More auto-dialouge shepard growth, hazzah!

But I still have to ask, again, a more important question. Why does shepard being dead and coming back to life get treated as such a miniscule detail by the rest of the galaxy?

Why does cyborg president huerta get more talk than raised from the dead shepard?

[Knight of Dane]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Almost all occations of Shepard character development was cut.

Like this

I don't understand the writers.

More auto-dialouge shepard growth, hazzah!

But I still have to ask, again, a more important question. Why does shepard being dead and coming back to life get treated as such a miniscule detail by the rest of the galaxy?

Why does cyborg president huerta get more talk than raised from the dead shepard?

Nope.
Paragon="I'd like that"
Renegade= "I'm just a soldier."

Edit:
You can hear Shep and Anderson respond to both individually in the male version here

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 25 mars 2013 - 07:29 .

[Straw Nihilist]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Almost all occations of Shepard character development was cut.

Like this

I don't understand the writers.

my feel 

[3DandBeyond]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Because controversy methinks. They cut that scene with Ashley for reasons unknown.

Yeah, "integrity".

It seems that they are now consistently searching for the least mature things to appeal to in humans.  The endings are all about everything seeming just ducky with a reaper god Shepard or green eyes or lots o' explosions.  And yes they did cut that great Ashley scene where she asks about it for some unknown reasons.  It didn't even seem at all controversial and I was brought up fairly religious-grandfather a minister, uncle one and my mother would have been one except for gender.  And I have agnostic relatives that I know wouldn't have gone all crazy about that-it made complete sense for Ashley to ask.

[CDR David Shepard]

We go to Afterlife on what's basically our first mission...there's no need to ask about it.

[Iakus]

Archonsg wrote...

Personally I thought it was because Bioware felt it would have stayed well into making a religious statement if they had commented, so they went "uh... let's not go there and took the scene out.

That way, " lots of speculation... "

So they didn't allow a dialogue option of "I saw something but I don't know what", "I didn't see anything", and "I don't want to talk about it"

And yet they went with "The Shepard died for our sins".

Yeah no religious connotations at all there