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[Ramsutin]

JLoowis wrote...

Max65 wrote...

JLoowis wrote...

You have a good heart Max65, but you need more experience out there in the battle zone.

Your points are true. But the survivability of a Talon Engineer is amazing if the other teamates are around and it's shared aggro. No cloakers too helps.

The worst map for him would be Glacier. All the rest he have a nice range for Bow and Mine action.

About the Juggernaut it depends on the player's personality yeah. He can be a camper/farmer, Or a slowly walking buddy that strikes the spawns from mid range in gang.

Well yes, his survibability is great with the rest of the team distributing the aggro (and yes, no TC = no aggro dump on you either) but the same can be said for any other class and you still need to stick close to the rest of the team and you still need to work as a group and need awareness, otherwise you'll just switch the spawn to a location behind you.  

You have a good point, I've played the talon a lot of times on plat and have gone down only once or twice and that was glacier, heck I've even played him on condor with a good team, even when the ammo boxes made it a nightmare and if you want a good team synergy bringing a power boosting/ grenade count specced demolisher into play. 

I was just trying to say some of the things that are there to offset the damage he can dish out and to point out that you can't just run around the map like a madman with no consideration to safety or any sort of strategy, you still need to be a  "team player" in a way otherwise your team can just move off and laugh as you die under enemy fire once you run out of mines. 

Thank you for taking the time to read a long post and to reply to it in a thoughtful manner. 

On a fun note. are you aware that someone solo'ed a Platinum with this guy, using Fitness rank 0 and he run around quickly with Speed boost III ?

Dx

Are you also aware that someone soloed plat with everything in this game?

So survivability and player skill go hand in hand. It is something not worth mentioning with basic characters.

Modifié par Ramsutin, 24 mars 2013 - 03:59 .

[JosLouis70]

ABjerre wrote...

JLoowis wrote...
*snip*
And the fact that you can make them all explode like proximity mines, by laying tem on the ground make it a game breaker for some people who wants to have a nice game, full of teamplay, weapon dmg/kills and no "missile glitchers"

It sounds an awfull lot like you want something thats not ME3 MP puggin'. May i suggest that if you want team based gameplay, centered around coordination and sertain powers, asseble one such team and play with them instead of wanting random people to play the way you like it.

okay okay okay

I guess it's time for me to admit it.

It was on Firebase Rio. In the lobby there were 2 guys with Common weapons, N7 rating very low, only one Mod on weaps cause they didn't unlock basic Mods yet. 1 average player, so so build and me,  lv 13 Cabal Vanguard Disciple shotgun/Melee build.

I wanted to farm Melee kills throughout all the game. On wave 4-5, one of the newbecomer left. Then that Talon Engineer showed up.

Then @(^&~)(&!&#~!!!$%%W#@#%write topic on bsn !&((!@$)&&*@#

[JosLouis70]

Ramsutin wrote...

Are you also aware that someone soloed plat with everything in this game?

So survivability and player skill go hand in hand. It is something not worth mentioning with basic characters.

Plat or Gold ?

Get me the link so I can see someones Manifest and in Solo Mastery ont the side of Platinum I'll see "Completed 80 Time"

[Ramsutin]

JLoowis wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

Are you also aware that someone soloed plat with everything in this game?

So survivability and player skill go hand in hand. It is something not worth mentioning with basic characters.

Plat or Gold ?

Get me the link so I can see someones Manifest and in Solo Mastery ont the side of Platinum I'll see "Completed 80 Time"

I take it then that you haven't heard of Red John and the likes?

[Max65]

JLoowis wrote...

Max65 wrote...

JLoowis wrote...

You have a good heart Max65, but you need more experience out there in the battle zone.

Your points are true. But the survivability of a Talon Engineer is amazing if the other teamates are around and it's shared aggro. No cloakers too helps.

The worst map for him would be Glacier. All the rest he have a nice range for Bow and Mine action.

About the Juggernaut it depends on the player's personality yeah. He can be a camper/farmer, Or a slowly walking buddy that strikes the spawns from mid range in gang.

Well yes, his survibability is great with the rest of the team distributing the aggro (and yes, no TC = no aggro dump on you either) but the same can be said for any other class and you still need to stick close to the rest of the team and you still need to work as a group and need awareness, otherwise you'll just switch the spawn to a location behind you.  

You have a good point, I've played the talon a lot of times on plat and have gone down only once or twice and that was glacier, heck I've even played him on condor with a good team, even when the ammo boxes made it a nightmare and if you want a good team synergy bringing a power boosting/ grenade count specced demolisher into play. 

I was just trying to say some of the things that are there to offset the damage he can dish out and to point out that you can't just run around the map like a madman with no consideration to safety or any sort of strategy, you still need to be a  "team player" in a way otherwise your team can just move off and laugh as you die under enemy fire once you run out of mines. 

Thank you for taking the time to read a long post and to reply to it in a thoughtful manner. 

On a fun note. are you aware that someone solo'ed a Platinum with this guy, using Fitness rank 0 and he run around quickly with Speed boost III ?

Dx

True, but then again I've seen people do it with 4 level 1 characters and people duo plat with avengers or do it using only common weapons. Skill and experience can achieve great things but that doesn't make it the norm as I doubt most of the player base can achieve the same results and so I don't find it to be "game breaking" 

[JosLouis70]

Ramsutin wrote...

Are you also aware that someone soloed plat with everything in this game?

So survivability and player skill go hand in hand. It is something not worth mentioning with basic characters.

Also, I was replying to a kind dude.

I'm pretty sure he didn't know.

He talked to me paragraphs of how Talon Engineer can only "take 1 hit"

So I had to tell him the good news.

____

And that Claymore GI says Hi doesn't apply. GI needs to aim, reload cancel a lot, use Tactical Cloak and Proximity Mine, a whole bunch of mouse flickering and stuff.

[JosLouis70]

Ramsutin wrote...

JLoowis wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

Are you also aware that someone soloed plat with everything in this game?

So survivability and player skill go hand in hand. It is something not worth mentioning with basic characters.

Plat or Gold ?

Get me the link so I can see someones Manifest and in Solo Mastery ont the side of Platinum I'll see "Completed 80 Time"

I take it then that you haven't heard of Red John and the likes?

Red John of course I know him for is Gold solos since that Batarian Soldier, that spams explosive Ballistic Blades with a Harrier X and Geth Glacier. It was good stuff and it's always is.

But don't interrupt me when I'm quoting some other peeps. You're just rude.

[Dist0rt3d Hum0r]

JLoowis wrote...

Liefglinde wrote...

...It breaks your heart?

Also, not gonna happen.

inb4scoremeansnothing

You have a quaian Avatar on the forum. Demand a buff of Sticky Grenade.

This grenade requires a lot of skill and precision.

I remember sticking a phantom in the forehead with one. Full health and barriers. Killed it in one shot on Plat. Got a good laugh out of it, especially when I did the same thing to a Dragoon later.

Admittedly, I do feel like I didn't do a whole lot if I end up in 3rd or 4th for points by a vast margin, but that usually only happens if I'm trying out a new build or a character that I'm not too familiar with, so its not too common for me.
Score doesnt mean a whole lot in this game. I've seen N7 Paladins get first place by a large margin and only use Snapfreeze the whole time. Why? Because they got a ton of assist points for all the detonations. Why not nerf that too? The only dif between the two is that something actually has to walk through the Cain Mine to activate it.

Its fine where its at.

Also, you'd probably score better if you werent so worried about how high your score is. I noticed that I tend to score much higher when I'm not trying to compete scorewise with anyone. Just saying.

EDIT: HEALTH and barriers. Not shields and barriers. I'd be scared if a phantom had all three.

Modifié par Dist0rt3d Hum0r, 24 mars 2013 - 04:14 .

[Ramsutin]

JLoowis wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

Are you also aware that someone soloed plat with everything in this game?

So survivability and player skill go hand in hand. It is something not worth mentioning with basic characters.

Also, I was replying to a kind dude.

I'm pretty sure he didn't know.

He talked to me paragraphs of how Talon Engineer can only "take 1 hit"

So I had to tell him the good news.

____

And that Claymore GI says Hi doesn't apply. GI needs to aim, reload cancel a lot, use Tactical Cloak and Proximity Mine, a whole bunch of mouse flickering and stuff.

Obviously you haven't played GI that much then......

I give you the TC, but on silver PM isn't mandatory.

[Ramsutin]

JLoowis wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

JLoowis wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

Are you also aware that someone soloed plat with everything in this game?

So survivability and player skill go hand in hand. It is something not worth mentioning with basic characters.

Plat or Gold ?

Get me the link so I can see someones Manifest and in Solo Mastery ont the side of Platinum I'll see "Completed 80 Time"

I take it then that you haven't heard of Red John and the likes?

Red John of course I know him for is Gold solos since that Batarian Soldier, that spams explosive Ballistic Blades with a Harrier X and Geth Glacier. It was good stuff and it's always is.

But don't interrupt me when I'm quoting some other peeps. You're just rude.

Ah I meant to reinforce what you said. But if you think that it is rude then go ahead. I don't mind.

[etm125]

To everyone claiming X,Y,Z are better spawn nukers than the Talon: Have you seen what we did with him?

Video Link: www.youtube.com/watch

For the record I do not want the mines or the Talon nerfed. I just think, for the money, he's the best spawn nuker in the game.

[JosLouis70]

Max65 wrote...

True, but then again I've seen people do it with 4 level 1 characters and people duo plat with avengers or do it using only common weapons. Skill and experience can achieve great things but that doesn't make it the norm as I doubt most of the player base can achieve the same results and so I don't find it to be "game breaking" 

Okay, you're busting my nuts.

You maybe have an older Joined Date on the forums but I have almost twice play time on ME3 MP than you.

Now stop talking about Multiplayer like it's a Peoples magasine and go play out there.

"Achieve great things"... god people that completed Platinum with crap weapons.. at the end of the match some don't even get the medal 25 weapon kills. A level 1 incinerate, overload, or proximity mine backed by cloak does all the dmg.
Not the weapons. Go figures.
They had 20 rockets to strategically call too. For the level 1s, some have stims, and Harrier X

[JosLouis70]

Ramsutin wrote...

Ah I meant to reinforce what you said. But if you think that it is rude then go ahead. I don't mind.

Yio, when I use Claymore I miss my shots half the time. How do you want it to be good ?

[sedaleare]

JLoowis wrote...

 ...It breaks my heart when I see that they can kill 3 Pyros or 3 Rocket Troopers in 2 seconds...

Pfff no.

[Ramsutin]

JLoowis wrote...

Max65 wrote...

True, but then again I've seen people do it with 4 level 1 characters and people duo plat with avengers or do it using only common weapons. Skill and experience can achieve great things but that doesn't make it the norm as I doubt most of the player base can achieve the same results and so I don't find it to be "game breaking" 

Okay, you're busting my nuts.

You maybe have an older Joined Date on the forums but I have almost twice play time on ME3 MP than you.

Now stop talking about Multiplayer like it's a Peoples magasine and go play out there.

"Achieve great things"... god people that completed Platinum with crap weapons.. at the end of the match some don't even get the medal 25 weapon kills. A level 1 incinerate, overload, or proximity mine backed by cloak does all the dmg.
Not the weapons. Go figures.
They had 20 rockets to strategically call too. For the level 1s, some have stims, and Harrier X

They actually used Uncommons and vanilla characters...

[Ramsutin]

JLoowis wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

Ah I meant to reinforce what you said. But if you think that it is rude then go ahead. I don't mind.

Yio, when I use Claymore I miss my shots half the time. How do you want it to be good ?

Not sure if we are talking about the same subject anymore....
What I meant is that survivability shouldn't be brought up in these conversations as player skill determines it. And lag.

Now what comes to Claymore I just ran successfully GI Claymore on Plat and I just pointed at the genereal direction of the enemy's head. Everything else but Phantoms died. Dat on host DR.....

[Caratinoid]

I found some evidence suggesting that the devs were thinking about making cain mines hurt other players as well when detonated.

That would've be even worse than the reactor.

[JosLouis70]

Ramsutin wrote...

JLoowis wrote...

Max65 wrote...

True, but then again I've seen people do it with 4 level 1 characters and people duo plat with avengers or do it using only common weapons. Skill and experience can achieve great things but that doesn't make it the norm as I doubt most of the player base can achieve the same results and so I don't find it to be "game breaking" 

Okay, you're busting my nuts.

You maybe have an older Joined Date on the forums but I have almost twice play time on ME3 MP than you.

Now stop talking about Multiplayer like it's a Peoples magasine and go play out there.

"Achieve great things"... god people that completed Platinum with crap weapons.. at the end of the match some don't even get the medal 25 weapon kills. A level 1 incinerate, overload, or proximity mine backed by cloak does all the dmg.
Not the weapons. Go figures.
They had 20 rockets to strategically call too. For the level 1s, some have stims, and Harrier X

They actually used Uncommons and vanilla characters...

They also used level IV Amps/Cyclonic gear ? It gives the equivalent of level 20 kinda.

[IIFlash]

JLoowis wrote...

IIFlash wrote...

"Roles" or not the result will be the same. Arc/Inferno/Lift/Cluster all have the potential to easily wipe spawns.

If you still disagree here is an example, choose QMI with cloak specced for damage and maxed out Arc Grenade, start a Silver game. Cloak then throw two grenades into the 1st spawn. After that try and tell me grenades have a "role".

Yeah right, your talking about Husk spawn.

Count how many nades you have left trying to kill 2 Brutes with Arc Nades.

It's not the same. The mechanics and base dmg doesn't compare.

Last time I checked there is more than 1 faction.
Yes Cain Mines shine against Reapers, so do Inferno, because they have more armored units.

C-mines against Reapers. You need to use at least 4-6 to wipe a spawn on Gold, wasting 3.
You must also be in line of sight the whole time.
Inferno grenade against Reapers(which have a higher total damage against armor). Throw 3 into a spawn and run away looking for another spawn, everything will die without you even being there.
Less grenades, less risk, but takes 8 seconds longer.

The same goes for a QMI using Arc grenades against Geth or Cerberus, far easier and reliable to use.
Cain Mine spamming spawns is also far more dependent on being able to keep grenades stocked.
In conclusion I feel your argument is flawed.

[Max65]

JLoowis wrote...

Max65 wrote...

True, but then again I've seen people do it with 4 level 1 characters and people duo plat with avengers or do it using only common weapons. Skill and experience can achieve great things but that doesn't make it the norm as I doubt most of the player base can achieve the same results and so I don't find it to be "game breaking" 

Okay, you're busting my nuts.

You maybe have an older Joined Date on the forums but I have almost twice play time on ME3 MP than you.

Now stop talking about Multiplayer like it's a Peoples magasine and go play out there.

"Achieve great things"... god people that completed Platinum with crap weapons.. at the end of the match some don't even get the medal 25 weapon kills. A level 1 incinerate, overload, or proximity mine backed by cloak does all the dmg.
Not the weapons. Go figures.
They had 20 rockets to strategically call too. For the level 1s, some have stims, and Harrier X

Never did I say I had more experience than you, I never referred to my forum join date, I barely post on the forums and play for fun and mostly with friends. 

If this was peoples magazine I would just said "oh another nerf this thread" "stop crying" "haters gonna hate" or "go complain somewhere else". I merely gave my point of view, the arguments I had in favor of it and that's it, you replied, I gave counter arguments and facts.

I do no t idolize people who do that, just respect the fact that they have more time and /or skill than I do and used it as a point to back up something I said. 

I wanted to have a good discussions with arguments and counter arguments but obviously  I chose the wrong place.  I'll just go enjoy my game with friends while you carry on complaining. 

[Ramsutin]

JLoowis wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

JLoowis wrote...

Max65 wrote...

True, but then again I've seen people do it with 4 level 1 characters and people duo plat with avengers or do it using only common weapons. Skill and experience can achieve great things but that doesn't make it the norm as I doubt most of the player base can achieve the same results and so I don't find it to be "game breaking" 

Okay, you're busting my nuts.

You maybe have an older Joined Date on the forums but I have almost twice play time on ME3 MP than you.

Now stop talking about Multiplayer like it's a Peoples magasine and go play out there.

"Achieve great things"... god people that completed Platinum with crap weapons.. at the end of the match some don't even get the medal 25 weapon kills. A level 1 incinerate, overload, or proximity mine backed by cloak does all the dmg.
Not the weapons. Go figures.
They had 20 rockets to strategically call too. For the level 1s, some have stims, and Harrier X

They actually used Uncommons and vanilla characters...

They also used level IV Amps/Cyclonic gear ? It gives the equivalent of level 20 kinda.

True, true, but that still gives Katana less than 600 DPS against armour. So the only benefit would be the 150% more shields, which is a nice boost.

[JosLouis70]

Ramsutin wrote...

JLoowis wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

Ah I meant to reinforce what you said. But if you think that it is rude then go ahead. I don't mind.

Yio, when I use Claymore I miss my shots half the time. How do you want it to be good ?

Not sure if we are talking about the same subject anymore....
What I meant is that survivability shouldn't be brought up in these conversations as player skill determines it. And lag.

Now what comes to Claymore I just ran successfully GI Claymore on Plat and I just pointed at the genereal direction of the enemy's head. Everything else but Phantoms died. Dat on host DR.....

Well there you go, you didn't press only 1 button you aim for their heads. Scroll up if you don't get it why I told you that GI Claymore doesn't compare with Talon Engineer.

[KalilKareem]

Caratinoid wrote...

I found some evidence suggesting that the devs were thinking about making cain mines hurt other players as well when detonated.

That would've be even worse than the reactor.

Ohhhh. Can this be enabled via coa-hacking? The troll potential is unbounded!

[Caratinoid]

KalilKareem wrote...

Caratinoid wrote...

I found some evidence suggesting that the devs were thinking about making cain mines hurt other players as well when detonated.

That would've be even worse than the reactor.

Ohhhh. Can this be enabled via coa-hacking? The troll potential is unbounded!

I don't think so, the variables are there but it looks like a part of the code responsible for this has been removed, so I think we are safe.

[KalilKareem]

Caratinoid wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Caratinoid wrote...

I found some evidence suggesting that the devs were thinking about making cain mines hurt other players as well when detonated.

That would've be even worse than the reactor.

Ohhhh. Can this be enabled via coa-hacking? The troll potential is unbounded!

I don't think so, the variables are there but it looks like a part of the code responsible for this has been removed, so I think we are safe.

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