So basically you're crying about being properly supported by teammates?
Here's the story.
I'm in lobby with guys equiping Mantis level 7 with one Mod, another equipping Shuriken and another with a so so build.
1 Newbecomer left during, and then the Talon Engineer with good intentions shows up.
He threw the party to the water.
Scrub gave a good scrubbing on those Geths.
I tell myself "How come is it that effective on shields and armor"
Because it's frickin unbalanced!
And to get my salvation, I'll start using this power non-stop until some people on their mic say to me "Yio stop ruining the game you lame stupid player"
So basically you're crying about being properly supported by teammates?
Here's the story.
I'm in lobby with guys equiping Mantis level 7 with one Mod, another equipping Shuriken and another with a so so build.
1 Newbecomer left during, and then the Talon Engineer with good intentions shows up.
He threw the party to the water.
Scrub gave a good scrubbing on those Geths.
I tell myself "How come is it that effective on shields and armor"
Because it's frickin unbalanced!
And to get my salvation, I'll start using this power non-stop until some people on their mic say to me "Yio stop ruining the game you lame stupid player"
I'll reply to him "Good game man, good game"
That kind of mindset is what got the Krysae nerfed. <_<
Jloowis you need a time out. Just go and play the game before you get yourself banned for being disrespectful to other player/posters
1st time I get to be engaged in a popular Topic, I haven't slept for 30 hours.
You guys are pushing me with the jokes and ignorance.
I understand your excitement, but I'm trying to actually help you right now before someone gets mad at you. I just suggest you walk away and come back with a clear head at a later time. if you keep the disrespectful attitude you might not be able to discuss this more for sometime.
Jloowis you need a time out. Just go and play the game before you get yourself banned for being disrespectful to other player/posters
1st time I get to be engaged in a popular Topic, I haven't slept for 30 hours.
You guys are pushing me with the jokes and ignorance.
I understand your excitement, but I'm trying to actually help you right now before someone gets mad at you. I just suggest you walk away and come back with a clear head at a later time. if you keep the disrespectful attitude you might not be able to discuss this more for sometime.
Brad_8333... You're talking about the class in general.
I want to know your point on Cain Trip Mines only.
There's so much text in your post it's as if you're unsure of what your saying. So you're telling yourself "let's just put more text and touchy feelings so they'd understand"
Get to the point.
I'll reply no. It's an OP power.
Or, amaze me with examples and a better explanation.
While you're thinking watch this vid, it's educational.
Hey, I'm glad we can be reasonable, so let me further my point, and by they way, for there to be a true arguement and a decision, one must argue both sides to find the right answer. Its not that I am unsure, but I won't pretend that other side doesn't exist, therefore I must show the arguement the opposing would make and my counter too. But lets carry on.
The reason why I talk about the whole build is because if I don't talk about the who build, then you only get a portion of the arguement. I.E. if you were to look how our government spends money on health care then you might be under the impression that its too much, but when compared to the rest of the budget, suddenly its not nearly as bad. Same with cain mines. The fact that you have to balance the cain mines damage with the durability of this character shows the potential of this kit. With the squishyness that this character brings, the damage must be proportional in order to achieve balance. With this in mind we get the terms we are all familiar with like glass cannon, or glass grenade. This character with respect for the damage it can do at a distance, is a glass cannon.
So I respectfully dissent from you opinion that this character's cain mines are too strong and are in need of a buff. I believe that just because the ability to spam them exist, doesn't mean that its a good tactic. Or that it is going to work. Also when balanced with the squishyness of the character the damage doesn't mean anything if you are dead. I will wait for your reply, I enjoy this discussion, but it might not be till tomorrow till I reply. Cheers, and good night.
He's a casual scrub player, taking advantage of easy build that are exploitable pretty well.
He only did 16 Gold match since last year halloween, and 0 Platinum. I wish your game crashes more often from now on.
You're a dick.
And Cains are fine. Until Bioware fixes the level geometry (read: never) so Cains don't randomly decide to aim 45 degrees up/down/a completely different direction, sometimes manually detonating them is the only thing that works. Yes, their damage is high, but they're difficult to use properly. And spamming them is not only using them improperly, it's highly inefficient.
Play with friends, quit whining on the forums because you don't like something, and quit being such an ****.
Hey, I'm glad we can be reasonable, so let me further my point, and by they way, for there to be a true arguement and a decision, one must argue both sides to find the right answer. Its not that I am unsure, but I won't pretend that other side doesn't exist, therefore I must show the arguement the opposing would make and my counter too. But lets carry on.
The reason why I talk about the whole build is because if I don't talk about the who build, then you only get a portion of the arguement. I.E. if you were to look how our government spends money on health care then you might be under the impression that its too much, but when compared to the rest of the budget, suddenly its not nearly as bad. Same with cain mines. The fact that you have to balance the cain mines damage with the durability of this character shows the potential of this kit. With the squishyness that this character brings, the damage must be proportional in order to achieve balance. With this in mind we get the terms we are all familiar with like glass cannon, or glass grenade. This character with respect for the damage it can do at a distance, is a glass cannon.
So I respectfully dissent from you opinion that this character's cain mines are too strong and are in need of a buff. I believe that just because the ability to spam them exist, doesn't mean that its a good tactic. Or that it is going to work. Also when balanced with the squishyness of the character the damage doesn't mean anything if you are dead. I will wait for your reply, I enjoy this discussion, but it might not be till tomorrow till I reply. Cheers, and good night.
Why does it always take 3 paragraphs to enumerate the fact he has no shields. I can't read that.
Just put a Krogan in the front with a shotty, or just a N7 Slayer with area biotic charge and they'll open the path for you.
Usage of cover. Knowing the map by heart. Calling for help on mic(before you die) or just plain skills can get you to heaven with Trip Mines.
And Cains are fine. Until Bioware fixes the level geometry (read: never) so Cains don't randomly decide to aim 45 degrees up/down/a completely different direction, sometimes manually detonating them is the only thing that works. Yes, their damage is high, but they're difficult to use properly. And spamming them is not only using them improperly, it's highly inefficient.
Play with friends, quit whining on the forums because you don't like something, and quit being such an ****.
Alright, I was waiting on someone with a direct and honest opinion on the matter to get an advice.
Can I use them yes or no? Green light or red light? Won't people in lobby will find me cheap ?
Ya cant really say a kit is OP because all his flaws can be overcome by other kits. Its like saying juggys OP because an infiltrator teammate can dish out the dps.
I think hes a well balanced kit with huge potential and huge flaws. Is cain mine spam OP for silver? Sure. Probably. Lots of things are. But if somebody wants to blow through thermal clips on silver...well.....go for it, chief? Thermal clip your way to 30k. You can almost buy a jumbo and replace all the consumables you just blew! Woo!
Hey, I'm glad we can be reasonable, so let me further my point, and by they way, for there to be a true arguement and a decision, one must argue both sides to find the right answer. Its not that I am unsure, but I won't pretend that other side doesn't exist, therefore I must show the arguement the opposing would make and my counter too. But lets carry on.
The reason why I talk about the whole build is because if I don't talk about the who build, then you only get a portion of the arguement. I.E. if you were to look how our government spends money on health care then you might be under the impression that its too much, but when compared to the rest of the budget, suddenly its not nearly as bad. Same with cain mines. The fact that you have to balance the cain mines damage with the durability of this character shows the potential of this kit. With the squishyness that this character brings, the damage must be proportional in order to achieve balance. With this in mind we get the terms we are all familiar with like glass cannon, or glass grenade. This character with respect for the damage it can do at a distance, is a glass cannon.
So I respectfully dissent from you opinion that this character's cain mines are too strong and are in need of a buff. I believe that just because the ability to spam them exist, doesn't mean that its a good tactic. Or that it is going to work. Also when balanced with the squishyness of the character the damage doesn't mean anything if you are dead. I will wait for your reply, I enjoy this discussion, but it might not be till tomorrow till I reply. Cheers, and good night.
Why does it always take 3 paragraphs to enumerate the fact he has no shields. I can't read that.
Just put a Krogan in the front with a shotty, or just a N7 Slayer with area biotic charge and they'll open the path for you.
Usage of cover. Knowing the map by heart. Calling for help on mic(before you die) or just plain skills can get you to heaven with Trip Mines.
That's all.
You can't ready 3 paragraphs? Really? Jesus Christ what has happend to the world... And that video you linked, can be done with other grenades classes as well. In all games there is some mechanic that can be used to the users upmost advantage. Oh btw, you should read the thread on agro, its not always about the big guys...
Alright, I was waiting on someone with a direct and honest opinion on the matter to get an advice.
Can I use them yes or no? Green light or red light? Won't people in lobby will find me cheap ?
If you're using them properly, laying traps and luring enemies into them, they're actually incredibly fun to use and watch. They're less annoying than Recon spam or Flamer spam, and most people only really find the Reegar cheap.
Nobody cares if you bring a Talon to a game. Hell, I haven't had anyone try to kick me after using him in Gold games. If you really need points for a weapon, take a durable kit and solo Bronze or Silver. Or just be patient.
Ya cant really say a kit is OP because all his flaws can be overcome by other kits. Its like saying juggys OP because an infiltrator teammate can dish out the dps.
I think hes a well balanced kit with huge potential and huge flaws. Is cain mine spam OP for silver? Sure. Probably. Lots of things are. But if somebody wants to blow through thermal clips on silver...well.....go for it, chief? Thermal clip your way to 30k. You can almost buy a jumbo and replace all the consumables you just blew! Woo!
Yes and no. Here, mostly yes for you because you know.
Talon Engineer doesn't have flaws. He have great powers and regular Health/Shields.
We develloped an offensive play style since the beginning of times, and found many ways to improve it.
But Talon, I think I'm starting to understand.
You'd probably want to blind-fire Arrows when you're playing with Cloakers on Silver or Gold, therefore, Cain Trip Mine will be an "1 out of 10" chance of opportunity to strike.
But if, you get lucky, and there's Krogan meat covering your back and front, you might get down to business and get some nice kills. Krogans don't cry about low scores, so there you go everyone's happy. Metaphor a bit here.
I get it. I had a bad experience. I'd like to see it at 135% base bonuses all around instead of 150%. Just like how Siege Pulse is atm.
You can't ready 3 paragraphs? Really? Jesus Christ what has happend to the world... And that video you linked, can be done with other grenades classes as well. In all games there is some mechanic that can be used to the users upmost advantage. Oh btw, you should read the thread on agro, its not always about the big guys...
I like to see that you're alive and that you can bite back.
Also, I'll let you win the debate. I declare forfeit.
Alright, I was waiting on someone with a direct and honest opinion on the matter to get an advice.
Can I use them yes or no? Green light or red light? Won't people in lobby will find me cheap ?
If you're using them properly, laying traps and luring enemies into them, they're actually incredibly fun to use and watch. They're less annoying than Recon spam or Flamer spam, and most people only really find the Reegar cheap.
Nobody cares if you bring a Talon to a game. Hell, I haven't had anyone try to kick me after using him in Gold games. If you really need points for a weapon, take a durable kit and solo Bronze or Silver. Or just be patient.
I'll check it out it the near future. Will probably attempt a gold solo all geared and stuff and see those dumb Geths walk into the TRAPS!
We can disagree on his health/shields. I find them God awful. Id probably take a 15% damage haircut if the radius on the stupid trip lines was increased. If youre not spamming it can be really hard to get enemies to trip them. Spamming is dumb unless you can get a nice big group of 4+ or a spawn. Everything else gets the bow+GPS. But youve got reckoning banner done + 6 extractions so you know how he works.
It's easy credits! 
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