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[David7204]

I don't think they are.

What 'retard mistakes' did the galaxy make, exactly?

Сообщение изменено: David7204, 25 Март 2013 - 03:55 .

[Galbrant]

one on one? The Reaper easily... Unless they upgrade the hell out of the Ascensions weapons and have the first shot I don't see how they can take out a Reaper without help.

[RadicalDisconnect]

David7204 wrote...

I don't think they are.

What 'retard mistakes' did the galaxy make, exactly?

Here's an example. Just why didn't the Reapers take the Citadel at first? They didn't seem to have any trouble doing it once the Illusive Man informed them of the Crucible.

[David7204]

I wasn't asking about the Reapers. I was asking about the galaxy.

But if we assume that the Reapers wouldn't be able to shut off the Relays, it would be somewhat pointless of them to capture it. Attacking the center of galactic government would immediately unite every race against them.

But, again, I wasn't asking about the Reapers.

[Eterna]

If you don't help the council in ME1 the Ascension gets destroyed by a few Geth Fighters... IT wouldn't stand a chance.

[RadicalDisconnect]

David7204 wrote...

I wasn't asking about the Reapers. I was asking about the galaxy.

But if we assume that the Reapers wouldn't be able to shut off the Relays, it would be somewhat pointless of them to capture it. Attacking the center of galactic government would immediately unite every race against them.

But, again, I wasn't asking about the Reapers.

No reason why the Reapers can't shut down the Relays.

Anyways, why did the Quarians have to attack the Geth at that time? Why did the Asari hold back information on the Prothean beacon? Why does the Salarian dalatrass insist on sabotaging the genophage cure?

In any case, my point is that if the Reaper leadership and galactic leadership are of equal competence, then victory overwhelmingly favors the Reapers.

Сообщение изменено: RadicalDisconnect, 25 Март 2013 - 04:11 .

[David7204]

Yes, the quarians. I've seen this come up quite a few times. Plenty of people condemning the quarians as 'stupid' for attacking the geth.

Here's the thing. The geth were known tools of a Reaper. Suppose we didn't meet Legion in ME 2. We don''t know the geth are actually good, or at least neutral. So we have every reason to believe that the geth are a serious threat.

If that was the case, and the quarians developed a weapon to take out the geth without losses but decided NOT to use it, everyone would be shrieking that they're the stupidest people ever for doing exactly what they (the players) claim is obvious now. If the geth turned out to be troops for the Reapers, everyone would be shrieking at the quarians for passing up the opportunity to deny the Reapers a huge ally. If the Reapers are invading, it makes more sense to take one of their potential assets immediately, not less. It makes more sense to hit the geth before they get a chance to mobilize. And it certainly makes sense when taking them out coincides with getting back the homeworld you've wanted for 300 years.

Thing is, the quarians didn't meet Legion. They didn't meet the geth. Only Shepard did. All they have is heresay. Certainly not enough to overcome all the bad history they've had and the geth attack on the Citadel.

Сообщение изменено: David7204, 25 Март 2013 - 04:22 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

David7204 wrote...

Yes, the quarians. I've seen this come up quite a few times. Plenty of people condemning the quarians as 'stupid' for attacking the geth.

Here's the thing. The geth were known tools of a Reaper. Suppose we didn't meet Legion in ME 2. We don''t know the geth are actually good, or at least neutral. So we have every reason to believe that the geth are a serious threat.

If that was the case, and the quarians developed a weapon to take out the geth without losses but decided NOT to use it, everyone would be shrieking that they're the stupidest people ever for doing exactly what they (the players) claim is obvious now. If the geth turned out to be troops for the Reapers, everyone would be shrieking at the quarians for passing up the opportunity to deny the Reapers a huge ally. If the Reapers are invading, it makes more sense to take one of their potential assets immediately, not less. It makes more sense to hit the geth before they get a chance to mobilize. And it certainly makes sense when taking them out coincides with getting back the homeworld you've wanted for 300 years.

Thing is, the quarians didn't meet Legion. They didn't meet the geth. Only Shepard did. All they have is heresay.

If that explanation floats your boat, okay then, whatever. Point is, I still stand by my belief that if the Reaper leadership and the galactic leadership are of equal competence, victory overwhelmingly favors the Reapers.

Сообщение изменено: RadicalDisconnect, 25 Март 2013 - 04:25 .

[David7204]

Well that's where heroism comes in, doesn't it?

[KingZayd]

David7204 wrote...


Thing is, the quarians didn't meet Legion. They didn't meet the geth. Only Shepard did. All they have is heresay. Certainly not enough to overcome all the bad history they've had and the geth attack on the Citadel.

They did in my game.

[Whole Particle]

KingZayd wrote...

David7204 wrote...


Thing is, the quarians didn't meet Legion. They didn't meet the geth. Only Shepard did. All they have is heresay. Certainly not enough to overcome all the bad history they've had and the geth attack on the Citadel.

They did in my game.

Yeah, I brought Legion aboard the Flotilla in my ME2 playthrough as well.

[Vespervin]

Whole Particle wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

David7204 wrote...


Thing is, the quarians didn't meet Legion. They didn't meet the geth. Only Shepard did. All they have is heresay. Certainly not enough to overcome all the bad history they've had and the geth attack on the Citadel.

They did in my game.

Yeah, I brought Legion aboard the Flotilla in my ME2 playthrough as well.

yep, so did I. It makes for a nice "reunion" in ME3. 

[Tom Lehrer]

Astartes Marine wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...
Well, I was talking about a vanilla Sherman. I knew that some nerd will bring up the Firefly eventually. My point still stands though.

Hey I love military history, what can I say? 


Could be worse though, could have been the Maus.  Slow as molasses in winter but you'll never get through that armor with anything less than naval guns.

With the Maus all anyone would have to do is wait a few minutes and its engine would break down

[Artifex_Imperius]

take note: Destiny Ascension is the "[(most powerful warship)]" organics have in the entire mass effect universe.

coin the word "most powerful". dwarfs any dreadnaught the Humans,Turians, Salarians ever have.

If the most powerful warship cant stand against one reaper what chance is there.

Any argument or do you just wanna troll? and keep saying reapers are invincible.

[tevix]

Well, I still want to know where the ascension's main gun even is....you never actually see an asari ship fire....

[EricChase88]

With upgrades and thanix the Destiny Ascension can be much more powerful.

[Endorlf]

EricChase88 wrote...

With upgrades and thanix the Destiny Ascension can be much more powerful.

Aren't Thanix cannons just watered down Reaper weapons? Perhaps more effective than the usual kinetic weapons, but can it actually match the real thing?

[RadicalDisconnect]

StreetMagic wrote...

I remember Joker mentioning at Virmire that he saw Sovereign do a turn around so quickly it'd destroy other ships. That's another thing that sets it apart from any cruiser. It can move like a fighter or frigate.

According to the codex, Sovereign-class will have to decrease their mass to levels unacceptable for combat in order to turn that tightly. I'd imagine they won't maneuver like that in actual combat. Still, that speaks for the strength of the Reaper hulls. In fact, I don't think we see a single Reaper in ME3 get ripped to shreds like Sovereign in ME1, which make me think that the hit on Sovereign was probably an extremely lucky hit on some part of the ship to cause such a catastrophic failure.

Сообщение изменено: RadicalDisconnect, 30 Июнь 2013 - 11:40 .

[in it for the lolz]

This thread makes me wonder...

...Who would win...

....Sovereign-class reaper Vs Magneto?

[MegaSovereign]

Sovereign would deck that SuckerMother.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yeah, you couldn't have the reapers have a weakness in ME3 otherwise you might have an alternative to the Crucible. Quantity, size, strength and power.

[RadicalDisconnect]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Yeah, you couldn't have the reapers have a weakness in ME3 otherwise you might have an alternative to the Crucible. Quantity, size, strength and power.

Yup. Like I've said before, by having such an outrageously powerful enemy that has every possible advantage, Bioware gradually cornered themselves into a deus ex machina.

Sad to say, but the shoddy writing indicates that ME simply wasn't intended to be a trilogy from the beginning. Hope they can have more planning for the next ME games or just make them stand-alone.

Сообщение изменено: RadicalDisconnect, 30 Июнь 2013 - 11:00 .