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how can you not save Ashley she has boobs

[MACharlie1]

DinoSteve wrote...

how can you not save Ashley she has boobs

Kaidan has a penis. 

From what I understand...Kaidan is much more...versatile then Ashley. On and off the battlefield. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 24 mars 2013 - 10:26 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Story-wise, I prefer Kaidan, I watch all the videos with Ashley and her story arc just doesn't seem as good as Kaidan in ME3. She has very limited interaction with the crews and her Citadel content was not that great, IMO. Gameplay-wise, you already have James as a soldier, it's a bit redundant to have another human soldier.

[Ykulnu]

My decision will always be the same, regardless of how I feel about the characters. You send your more technically inclined operative, Kaidan, to arm the bomb. Ashley, with her combat prowess, is better served assisting the Salarian commandos. When problems arise with the bomb, it is your responsibility as the CO to make sure the mission succeeds. To that end, you make sure Kaidan has the breathing room he needs to get that bomb ready. Supplanting a diversionary force with firepower that is more useful elsewhere is a terribly misguided tactical move.

The same applies to saving the Council in the finale. Diverting all of the ships in the fleet to protect the council, 3 people, when Sovereign is directly assaulting the citadel and planning to hasten the Reaper threat is an extreme oversight. Yes, the citadel survives no matter what, and yes, the destiny ascension also houses thousands of Asari crewmen, but the first point is meta gaming and the second is balanced by the amount of Alliance and Citadel lives lost (drastically more so) if forces are diverted.

[nrobbiec]

MACharlie1 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

how can you not save Ashley she has boobs

Kaidan has a penis. 

From what I understand...Kaidan is much more...versatile then Ashley. On and off the battlefield. 

And it is canon that Kaidan is good in bed
Mmhmm

[NirvanaRain]

I nearly always pick Kaiden, I don't like Ashley's character, too cliched. I like Kaiden because he's the ever doubting, hard to gain trust character that I always like, he's more realistic in my opinion. Also I like him because his character is pretty much the same as Carth Onasi from KotOR which some might say makes him a bad character but I think Raphael Sbarge plays him well.

[Artifex_Imperius]

your choice you can save either. but ask your self about alenkos choices? In a battle field asking that of Alenko to leave a woman behind. Man's honor! Specially a soldier!
A lovers view would see that Alenko would want to survive for the sake of love.
but what of a mans view.
Alenko is man of honor a soldier. Im sure he'd want to return to his lover over dying but as a man and a fellow soldier alenko would take a bullet for williams. a mans duty.

That which compels a man to give his seat to a woman. Chivalry, Courage, Honor, Valor and Duty.

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 24 mars 2013 - 10:41 .

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MACharlie1 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

how can you not save Ashley she has boobs

Kaidan has a penis. 

From what I understand...Kaidan is much more...versatile then Ashley. On and off the battlefield. 

but still Ashley has boobs, thats more of a reason to save her than any other.

[nrobbiec]

DinoSteve wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

how can you not save Ashley she has boobs

Kaidan has a penis. 

From what I understand...Kaidan is much more...versatile then Ashley. On and off the battlefield. 

but still Ashley has boobs, thats more of a reason to save her than any other.

Unless you don't like boobs in which case, more reason to leave her behind.

[Battlebloodmage]

nrobbiec wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

how can you not save Ashley she has boobs

Kaidan has a penis. 

From what I understand...Kaidan is much more...versatile then Ashley. On and off the battlefield. 

but still Ashley has boobs, thats more of a reason to save her than any other.

Unless you don't like boobs in which case, more reason to leave her behind.

^ This. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

your choice you can save either. but ask your self about alenkos choices? In a battle field asking that of Alenko to leave a woman behind. Man's honor! Specially a soldier!
A lovers view would see that Alenko would want to survive for the sake of love.
but what of a mans view.
Alenko is man of honor a soldier. Im sure he'd want to return to his lover over dying but as a man and a fellow soldier alenko would take a bullet for williams. a mans duty.

That which compels a man to give his seat to a woman. Chivalry, Courage, Honor, Valor and Duty.

This reminded me of the second Batman movie; however, do you think the old Ashley (ME1) would want you to look as her as a woman instead of a soldier? Picking her simply because she's a woman doesn't seem like something Ashley herself would want. You could also argue that we should save Kaidan because he ranks higher than her and a grunt is a dime a dozen. It just depends on how you role-play your characters.

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

how can you not save Ashley she has boobs

Kaidan has a penis. 

From what I understand...Kaidan is much more...versatile then Ashley. On and off the battlefield. 

but still Ashley has boobs, thats more of a reason to save her than any other.

Unless you don't like boobs in which case, more reason to leave her behind.

^ This. 

but boobs are awesome.

[Artifex_Imperius]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

your choice you can save either. but ask your self about alenkos choices? In a battle field asking that of Alenko to leave a woman behind. Man's honor! Specially a soldier!
A lovers view would see that Alenko would want to survive for the sake of love.
but what of a mans view.
Alenko is man of honor a soldier. Im sure he'd want to return to his lover over dying but as a man and a fellow soldier alenko would take a bullet for williams. a mans duty.

That which compels a man to give his seat to a woman. Chivalry, Courage, Honor, Valor and Duty.

This reminded me of the second Batman movie; however, do you think the old Ashley (ME1) would want you to look as her as a woman instead of a soldier? Picking her simply because she's a woman doesn't seem like something Ashley herself would want. You could also argue that we should save Kaidan because he ranks higher than her and a grunt is a dime a dozen. It just depends on how you role-play your characters.

I dont chose, You dont chose, We dont choose... Let Kaidan choose... even if he was gay! the man in him that chivalry kaidan would not let a woman be left behind.

[nrobbiec]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

your choice you can save either. but ask your self about alenkos choices? In a battle field asking that of Alenko to leave a woman behind. Man's honor! Specially a soldier!
A lovers view would see that Alenko would want to survive for the sake of love.
but what of a mans view.
Alenko is man of honor a soldier. Im sure he'd want to return to his lover over dying but as a man and a fellow soldier alenko would take a bullet for williams. a mans duty.

That which compels a man to give his seat to a woman. Chivalry, Courage, Honor, Valor and Duty.

That's sexist reasoning.

As a soldier he was willing to die on Virmire, nothing to do with the fact Ashley has boobs. Ashley was equally willing to die. Chivalry, Courage, Honor, Valor and Duty are gender neutral.
Also it's a little invalid if your Kaidan likes men instead of women. But everyone's canon is different.

[Battlebloodmage]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

your choice you can save either. but ask your self about alenkos choices? In a battle field asking that of Alenko to leave a woman behind. Man's honor! Specially a soldier!
A lovers view would see that Alenko would want to survive for the sake of love.
but what of a mans view.
Alenko is man of honor a soldier. Im sure he'd want to return to his lover over dying but as a man and a fellow soldier alenko would take a bullet for williams. a mans duty.

That which compels a man to give his seat to a woman. Chivalry, Courage, Honor, Valor and Duty.

This reminded me of the second Batman movie; however, do you think the old Ashley (ME1) would want you to look as her as a woman instead of a soldier? Picking her simply because she's a woman doesn't seem like something Ashley herself would want. You could also argue that we should save Kaidan because he ranks higher than her and a grunt is a dime a dozen. It just depends on how you role-play your characters.

I dont chose, You dont chose, We dont choose... Let Kaidan choose... even if he was gay! the man in him that chivalry kaidan would not let a woman be left behind.

We should let Ashley choose, too, you know? I don't think Ash would appreciate being left alive simply because she's a woman. Both think that they should have died instead, so it's simply up to Shepard on who should be kept alive.

[dversion]

It's like choosing Stalin or Hitler.

[Made Nightwing]

Always loved both of them, though Kaidan certainly took a step back in ME3. It's like the new writer thought 'Oh, Kaidan's sensitive. Let's make sensitivity his focal point.' When, in reality, the central thing about him was a level-headed attitude in a world full of weirdos.

Same with Ash. New writer thought 'Oh, she's hard-nosed and snarky' rather than 'She had some hard-nosed and snarky moments in the first game'.

Neither of them was done as well as they were in the first game. Kaidan, however, does get it slightly worse, with the 'Anderisation' of his character. (That being both a pun on the 'Flanderisation' trope and the fact that Anders got turned from a badass into a wimp in DA). I also find Ash has a better skillset for me, as I like rolling through with overhwelming firepower. In ME1, she and Wrex were my go to team, and it's just damn criminal that we only get one DLC mission with them.

So, in conclusion: If you already always play through with Ash, you'll probably stick with it after a few Kaidan playthroughs (team familiarity being what it is), as you'll start missing the Black Widow shot or the Marksman Revenant bursts coming out of nowhere after a while. But honestly, if Chris had stuck with BW, I probably would never play my Kaidan saves outside of my FShenko one.

[WarGriffin]

Ykulnu wrote...

My decision will always be the same, regardless of how I feel about the characters. You send your more technically inclined operative, Kaidan, to arm the bomb. Ashley, with her combat prowess, is better served assisting the Salarian commandos. When problems arise with the bomb, it is your responsibility as the CO to make sure the mission succeeds. To that end, you make sure Kaidan has the breathing room he needs to get that bomb ready. Supplanting a diversionary force with firepower that is more useful elsewhere is a terribly misguided tactical move.

The same applies to saving the Council in the finale. Diverting all of the ships in the fleet to protect the council, 3 people, when Sovereign is directly assaulting the citadel and planning to hasten the Reaper threat is an extreme oversight. Yes, the citadel survives no matter what, and yes, the destiny ascension also houses thousands of Asari crewmen, but the first point is meta gaming and the second is balanced by the amount of Alliance and Citadel lives lost (drastically more so) if forces are diverted.

 Sovereign in reality doesn't do that much damage... It's the Geth fleet that does most of the damage.

you're gambling that the Geth fleet won't bush whack you while you throw everything at Sovereign.

You saving the DA takes out most of the Geth fleet cause thier not looking. You at that point had locked Sovereign out of the system.

Granted Storywise Hackett makes it seem like Soveriegn one shipped the entire citadel fleet and most of the Alliance fleet.

I always bushwhack the Geth before they bushwhack me cause the Citadel fleet is clearly losing the fight and I can't chance Soverign getting help during the middle of the shoot out.

[Raiil]

It's all just preference, really. I've never saved Ashley but I can't stand her characters while Kaidan is tolerable, but apparently I'm in the minority.

[Artifex_Imperius]

nrobbiec wrote...

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

your choice you can save either. but ask your self about alenkos choices? In a battle field asking that of Alenko to leave a woman behind. Man's honor! Specially a soldier!
A lovers view would see that Alenko would want to survive for the sake of love.
but what of a mans view.
Alenko is man of honor a soldier. Im sure he'd want to return to his lover over dying but as a man and a fellow soldier alenko would take a bullet for williams. a mans duty.

That which compels a man to give his seat to a woman. Chivalry, Courage, Honor, Valor and Duty.

That's sexist reasoning.

As a soldier he was willing to die on Virmire, nothing to do with the fact Ashley has boobs. Ashley was equally willing to die. Chivalry, Courage, Honor, Valor and Duty are gender neutral.
Also it's a little invalid if your Kaidan likes men instead of women. But everyone's canon is different.

Even if kaidan is super gay the mans honor in him will always his chivalry would demand that women and children be saved first.

you can choose to write your own story, but you can't choose to write kaidans. his is already written to be a man honor.

i know its sexist. but as men even if your gay. never let chivalry die. specially as soldiers.

kaidan would say " save WOMEN and CHILDREN FIRST!" hurrah marines! with some chest pumping!

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 25 mars 2013 - 12:58 .

[Ultrabobo]

Ash. I liked the character in ME1, or well, i liked the impact you could have on the character, as with Garrus.
Felt like by the end of the game Shepard helped them both grow, more than with others like Wrex or Kaidan, so i think i've become more "close".
Granted, the lack of dialogues in §ME3 is a bit jarring, but is overall, not only Ash.
Also, boobs.

[andy6915]

I think it makes sense to send Kaidan with the Salarians, not just making him handle the bomb. Honestly, both characters have a reasonable explanation for why you can do the opposite of what you'd expect. It's said that it will do the job regardless of who arms it, so it's not THAT difficult to activate. You don't need a tech-head to deal with it, so Ashley can handle it. That leaves the Salarians. Who would benefit them more, another grunt with a gun like the entire STG already is, or a biotic (one of the best in the Alliance at that)? A biotic would help their team FAR more then another soldier. He isn't just a biotic either, he's also a tech expert. his tech abilities would be extremely helpful when dealing with robotic enemies like Geth. So there is logic behind sending Kaidan with them.

As I type this, I realize something. The game doesn't consider it such, but there's a paragon-renegade thing going on here. If you care about helping the Salarians survival then Kaidan is the better choice. If you care more about just finishing the mission and getting that bomb as good as it's going to get, Kaidan is the better choice for that instead. So if you're paragon and care about the STG then Kaidan is the paragon choice because of how much more useful he'll be as a sentinel at keeping them alive, and Ashley is the renegade choice because you're prioritizing the bomb over their lives by keeping the tech character with you and sending a soldier with them. Send Ashley with them=renegade, send Kaidan with them=paragon... Of course, the game doesn't see it that way.

Kaidan is the logical choice while Ashley is the emotional choice. Kaidan is one of the best biotics in the entire Alliance (and biotics are tactically more useful then regular soldiers to begin with), has over a dozen special commendations and has "an impressive service record", is higher ranked then her by quite a large margin and is the superior officer. Ashley is just a mere soldier with high technical scores who has served only on backwater colonies because of her blacklisting, and has no specialty like biotics or tech. Kaidan is logically, militarily and tactically the best choice. Leave him with the Salarians and the choice might as well be made for you of which is more important to rescue.

[Exile Isan]

Saving the person at the AA tower is not required to save the Salarians. Captain Kirrahe is on the Normandy regardless of who you saved. It all has to do with whether or not you destroyed the triagulation tower, destroyed the geth fueling station, and whether you disabled the alarms in the base.

[nrobbiec]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

your choice you can save either. but ask your self about alenkos choices? In a battle field asking that of Alenko to leave a woman behind. Man's honor! Specially a soldier!
A lovers view would see that Alenko would want to survive for the sake of love.
but what of a mans view.
Alenko is man of honor a soldier. Im sure he'd want to return to his lover over dying but as a man and a fellow soldier alenko would take a bullet for williams. a mans duty.

That which compels a man to give his seat to a woman. Chivalry, Courage, Honor, Valor and Duty.

That's sexist reasoning.

As a soldier he was willing to die on Virmire, nothing to do with the fact Ashley has boobs. Ashley was equally willing to die. Chivalry, Courage, Honor, Valor and Duty are gender neutral.
Also it's a little invalid if your Kaidan likes men instead of women. But everyone's canon is different.

Even if kaidan is super gay the mans honor in him will always his chivalry would demand that women and children be saved first.

you can choose to write your own story, but you can choose to write kaidans. his is already written to be a man honor.

i know its sexist. but as men even if your gay. never let chivalry die. specially as soldiers.

kaidan would say " save WOMEN and CHILDREN FIRST!" hurrah marines! with some chest pumping!

I think that's outdated, the children first yes but if the child doesn't have a mother is it preferable for it to be an orphan just because some random woman is there? Children and parents first would make more sense in this day and age. But that only applies to civilians, if the child's father is a civilian but mother is a soldier, the father should accompany the child. There's no logical reason why a woman should take precedence in this matter. 

Back on topic, as a soldier, Kaidan would be just as willing to stay there on Virmire if the other officer was Garrus for example. Honour doesn't care about your genitals.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

andy69156915 wrote...

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Kaidan is the logical choice while Ashley is the emotional choice.  

Completely disagree with the entire  premis of your post .

This..

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

It is amusing to watch supporters one way or the other spin the information provided as a support of their way of thinking though.

true . but  actually seeing  a world wide  poll  data collected independantly of actions  from  individuals games the fact 
        Paragon beat Renegade   

 <3 Ashley  beat  kaiden   ...Twice .... was satisying.. of course Kaiden supporter  will try to poke holes into it.

  And  just for the record ..... 

I like   Ashley's  "skill set"  better than  his I am a biotic so i don't need another one to start  as well.. I would  rather have a  somone whos a  sniper and good with the assault rifle. The.Alliance Officer class is just plain better Disruptor Ammo (squad share) inferno grenades.. etc ..  but that  comes down to personal  taste as well.

 Your right though op I not happy with Liara's win  in popularity   I could probably punch holes in that if i tried and could start by saying she had a unfair advantage being bio's favorite form the start ...

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 25 mars 2013 - 01:01 .