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[Ultrabobo]

Emotional vs logical choice boils on many variables i'd say.
Let's say Shepard is a soldier, in this case is more logical for "team building" to save Kaidan, but if Shepard is a biotic it's the opposite.

At the same time, a female Shepard could be more emotionally attached to Kaidan than to Ashley, there are many factors here.

What i don't buy is the gender argument, i'd hope it shouldn't be an argument at all 200 years from now.

[Patchwork]

Making sure the bomb goes off is the point of the mission. If STG can hold out great but as geth abilities are largely unknown my Shepards are going back  to guard that bomb regardless of which future VS is guarding it.

[Artifex_Imperius]

nrobbiec wrote...

I think that's outdated, the children first yes but if the child doesn't have a mother is it preferable for it to be an orphan just because some random woman is there? Children and parents first would make more sense in this day and age. But that only applies to civilians, if the child's father is a civilian but mother is a soldier, the father should accompany the child. There's no logical reason why a woman should take precedence in this matter. 

Back on topic, as a soldier, Kaidan would be just as willing to stay there on Virmire if the other officer was Garrus for example. Honour doesn't care about your genitals.

never lack the ability to empathize put your self in their shoes. understand their characters. dont bias yourself with love alone.

men defending women and children. somethings like that will never get outdated. a father even not a soldier even if does not know how to fight or hold a rifle. will fight and will take a bullet for that female soldier even if that female was an invicible supersoldier. even his son was there to see it. no matter how foolish of a discission that it is. he in his heart knows he is setting good example. honor women and children.

a mans honor goes beyond logic and explainations! it cant be defined.
many would say that sort of chivalry is dead. but takes a little glance over the shoulder to see it happen every now and then. never outdated always part of human culture.

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 25 mars 2013 - 01:22 .

[Lars10178]

I always found Kaidan to be so blah during ME1. He was not interesting at all, and the only character I never talked to on the normandy

[nrobbiec]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

I think that's outdated, the children first yes but if the child doesn't have a mother is it preferable for it to be an orphan just because some random woman is there? Children and parents first would make more sense in this day and age. But that only applies to civilians, if the child's father is a civilian but mother is a soldier, the father should accompany the child. There's no logical reason why a woman should take precedence in this matter. 

Back on topic, as a soldier, Kaidan would be just as willing to stay there on Virmire if the other officer was Garrus for example. Honour doesn't care about your genitals.

never lack the ability to empathize put your self in their shoes. understand their characters. dont bias yourself with love alone.

men defending women and children. somethings like that will never get outdated. a father even not a soldier even if does not know how to fight or hold a rifle. will fight and will take a bullet for that female soldier even if that female was an invicible supersoldier. even his son was there to see it. no matter how foolish of a discission that it is. he in his heart knows he is setting good example. honor women and children.

I imagine anyone would take a bullet to defend their family. Again gender neutral, I'm not the one being bias. Sorry but I cannot agree with your argument, I can't really understand your point of view I'm afraid, it just seems like outdated sexist stereotypes to me. No offence. I don't mean you personally just the viewpoint.

[Eravul]

I like both their characters, though I'll admit I'm much more inclined to Kaidan. He's one of my favourites in the series. Self-reliant, smart and I mean, come on... that hair. I never understood how people found him useless in combat unless they set up him wrong, he was a powerhouse for me on any difficulty in both games. Anyway, it's a shame they're so often misunderstood as boring or racist.

[Eterna]

Kaiden is far less popular, in fact I think he is the least used ME1 and ME3 character out of the bunch. I think this is because the Mass Effect fanbase is primarily male and is thus far more likely to sympathize and wan't to help a Woman.

[Raanz]

Ashley in all of my play-throughs is with the bomb....makes sense to me. Knowing that, I always and I mean ALWAYS choose to go back to the bomb. Why? Because not only is she Ashley, but the bomb is the main objective on Virmire. I want to make sure it goes off. Rescuing a distraction team member is not a good choice.
Team building decisions based on member's powers or fixed capabilities is meta-gaming and if that is what you like, then that is cool too.

[MACharlie1]

DinoSteve wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

how can you not save Ashley she has boobs

Kaidan has a penis. 

From what I understand...Kaidan is much more...versatile then Ashley. On and off the battlefield. 

but still Ashley has boobs, thats more of a reason to save her than any other.

Unless you don't like boobs in which case, more reason to leave her behind.

^ This. 

but boobs are awesome.

I can think of a lot more things I can do with a penis then I can with a set of boobs. 

(and Artifex, you're a homophobic, sexist pig - and I don't use either words easily) 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 25 mars 2013 - 03:35 .

[nrobbiec]

See I wanted to say that, but I thought I'd rather demolish the argument and make her/him look daft.

Also, yeah, penis>boobs.

[SinerAthin]

nrobbiec wrote...

Bizantura wrote...

Soldier = save Ash
Adept = save Alenko

Doesn't saving Kaidan make more sense if you're a soldier?

Ash provides more combat benefits than Alenko, and thus will benefit a Soldier more.

Whereas with Kaiden, it is easier to set off epic biotic explosions if you are a biotic as well.

Modifié par SinerAthin, 25 mars 2013 - 03:51 .

[vonfantasy]

I've always chosen Ash. I like her character better, Kaidan feels... "bland"

[Hazegurl]

In my first playthrough (in total rpg mode) I let Kaidan deal with the bomb because he is the only one who seems to know how to denote it effectively. Or if something goes wrong I trust him more than Ash to know how to get it operational again. Even Ash mentions this, if I can recall, during their argument over who will go with Kirrahe. She mentions that he is better suited to deal with the bomb. When I had to make a choice, I went back to the bomb to defend it because the bomb is the main objective and it makes no sense for Saren to care about attacking a distraction team.

In the end Ashley is a grunt soldier and is expendable. I won't sacrifice an L2 biotic with some tech skills for her. Kaidan always lives.

[Xilizhra]

Ykulnu wrote...

My decision will always be the same, regardless of how I feel about the characters. You send your more technically inclined operative, Kaidan, to arm the bomb. Ashley, with her combat prowess, is better served assisting the Salarian commandos. When problems arise with the bomb, it is your responsibility as the CO to make sure the mission succeeds. To that end, you make sure Kaidan has the breathing room he needs to get that bomb ready. Supplanting a diversionary force with firepower that is more useful elsewhere is a terribly misguided tactical move.

The same applies to saving the Council in the finale. Diverting all of the ships in the fleet to protect the council, 3 people, when Sovereign is directly assaulting the citadel and planning to hasten the Reaper threat is an extreme oversight. Yes, the citadel survives no matter what, and yes, the destiny ascension also houses thousands of Asari crewmen, but the first point is meta gaming and the second is balanced by the amount of Alliance and Citadel lives lost (drastically more so) if forces are diverted.

The last sentence is painfully wrong. Saving the Destiny Ascension is a net gain of about 4000 lives.

[Modius Prime]

Kaidan is a higher rank, an L2 biotic (he can change the view of human biotics), and is a tech specialist. All emotions aside, I feel like he is a greater asset compared to Ashley who is a grunt soldier that is a dime in a dozen. Biotics are one in a million. The greatest thing Ash has going for he is her family reputation, while Kaidan has a whole galactic ideology to change about the capability of human biotics. Still, I'm going to do a play through where I rescue Ashely. I won't romance her though, because I'll be playing as female Shepard. I want to see what it's like to have her alive story wise so I get both perspectives with minimal bias.

Modifié par Modius Prime, 25 mars 2013 - 05:33 .

[erilben]

A gunnery chief is not a grunt. Also there is a good reason to save the person at the AA tower. If the geth turn the AA gun back on, they will shoot down the Normandy.

Really most of you picked who you did because s/he was your love interest, or you liked them better, or you hope they will love you later. That was the point of that choice.

[Knight of Dane]

I used to prefer Ashley.

Then I played ME3 with her.

Now I prefer Kaidan.

[S.A.K]

I like em both. Only reason I saved Ashley was... I thought she was hot:bandit:

[David7204]

I like to have as many beautiful women on the team as possible. And good-looking guys, too. Which means Javik sticks out like a sore thumb.

Modifié par David7204, 25 mars 2013 - 07:15 .

[InvincibleHero]

Only if you feel it is worth it to experience content you paid for already.

[Exile Isan]

erilben wrote...

A gunnery chief is not a grunt. Also there is a good reason to save the person at the AA tower. If the geth turn the AA gun back on, they will shoot down the Normandy.

Really most of you picked who you did because s/he was your love interest, or you liked them better, or you hope they will love you later. That was the point of that choice.

The AA gun was destroyed, you hear it explode in the background. Along with Kirrahe saying the charges were set, and telling everyone to "bunker down".

Also I don't romance Kaidan (or anyone in ME1 except one character which I haven't played since 2011) I romance Garrus, and sometimes Thane. Hell, half the time I don't even talk to Kaidan in ME1, but I still chose him on Virmire. IMHO, it makes more sense to leave a tech with the bomb and since the AA guns are gone it makes tactical sense to defend the bomb as long as possible before it goes off since that's our objective.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 25 mars 2013 - 07:45 .

[Artifex_Imperius]

MACharlie1 wrote...

(and Artifex, you're a homophobic, sexist pig - and I don't use either words easily) 

is that how you'd describe a man who has chivalrous intentions.

someone who believes in saving women and children first.

a gentleman who'd offer his seat on a bus to lady.

well sorry just can help myself trying to be a knight in shining armor and believing in the good hearts of men.

[Rip504]

I say try Kaiden out. I also had Ash alive in all of my saves,until last week. I wanted to see what Kaiden offered in ME3. Imo it was worth it. Also Kaiden can give you access to an additional two bonus powers.

[Ryzaki]

Always save Kaidan.

Doesn't help that my Shep didn't like Ashley to begin with and her smug "well Anderson let me on the ship" didn't earn her any brownie points.

[Battlebloodmage]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

(and Artifex, you're a homophobic, sexist pig - and I don't use either words easily) 

is that how you'd describe a man who has chivalrous intentions.

someone who believes in saving women and children first.

a gentleman who'd offer his seat on a bus to lady.

well sorry just can help myself trying to be a knight in shining armor and believing in the good hearts of men.

Artifex's just expressing his opinion. While I disagree with his assertion, he's not really attacking women or gays. If he viewed that men should protect women no matter what and see Kaidan as a chivalrous person who did the same then that just how he perceives things.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 25 mars 2013 - 08:36 .