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[nrobbiec]

Baelrahn wrote...
in threads related to Kaidan (which you do frequent most times as well)

Haha yes, I'm most likely found in Kaidan or same-sex related threads 

[andy6915]

You want to talk emotional verses practical? My last playthrough had a Shepard who was romancing Ashley... Only to leave her on Virmire because he thought rescuing the STG and saving the rank-wise superior officer and biotic was more important then his feelings. It pained him, but he needed to be rational and make the logically right choice. Being in a commanding role can be really hard sometimes.

[MarkVsColin]

Saved Ash on first ever ME1 playthrough never changed my mind

[Reikilea]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Reikilea wrote...
I understand. I am way to analytical in playing rpg. Not matter what i do I have to see reason. So I always send Kaidan with bomb, because I always thought that he as a technician would have this kind of expertise. And Ashley with Salarian because they would use her firepower and battle skills.

 

I can justify this both ways. What you said of course, and the reverse (Salarians have firepower, they need technical and biotic support and co-ordination, where as Ash has more hands-on experience with actual explosives and bombs as opposed Alenko's theoretical knowlege).

Honestly its just a way of keeping the game fresh. I have three PTs with Ash alive, and 2 with Kaidan alive. Just makes sense to keep mixing it up. 

I always kind of thought Salarians are more into tech stuff. STG always reminded my more of a espionage group than a soldiers force. Well it´s maybe because of their lithe build. I wish we had more salarians in game to prove this, which is too bad because they are my favourite alien race. That´s the reason why I thought they would need more firepower.

Both Kaidan and Ash are marines. So both of them has experience on field, but I think Ash is better with guns and Kaidan with tech and electronics - so bombs would definitely be his expertise.

 

Just a matter of interpretation. As long as I don't force the RP into a huge skewing of the game-verse to bring out the metagame outcome I want, I'm happy.


I find it really boring that people choose exactly the same option in every single playthrough anyway. For me half the fun of the ME games is trying out all the different interactions and character and story combinations. That's whenever someone asks me whether they should pick Ash or Kaidan on their second or later PTs, I always tell them to pick the one they haven't picked yet.

I dislike that too. I have a lot of options, different options. I have game save with Ash, but I feel way to guilty in that one. And more over it´s not the same Ashley as it was before. Her sudden sexualisation bothered me.  Also it felt like she was another version of James soldier class. With two similar classes I really suffered in squad selection, mostly because I was infiltrator in that one. I much more prefer Kaidan´s sentinel class, because it fits everywhere.  (then again I never play on hard or insanity, so I am not sure in that matter. )

You know like they are always decision you just cant change (in a game, or even real life) ? Virmire is one for me. (And not shooting Mordin. And selling Legion to Cerberus)

[HolyAvenger]

Reikilea wrote...

I dislike that too. I have a lot of options, different options. I have game save with Ash, but I feel way to guilty in that one. And more over it´s not the same Ashley as it was before. Her sudden sexualisation bothered me.  Also it felt like she was another version of James soldier class. With two similar classes I really suffered in squad selection, mostly because I was infiltrator in that one. I much more prefer Kaidan´s sentinel class, because it fits everywhere.  (then again I never play on hard or insanity, so I am not sure in that matter. )

You know like they are always decision you just cant change (in a game, or even real life) ? Virmire is one for me. (And not shooting Mordin. And selling Legion to Cerberus)

 

I suppose I can understand, but for me there's only one decision so far I haven't been able to make (picking Morinth over Samara). I just did a Renegade PT where I shot Mordin. It was heartbreaking but damn it was good writing and animation and everything. Glad I got to see it for myself. 

I play insanity, the squad never matters to me. Shepard is so brokenly OP s/he decimates the enemy. I always just bring along whoever I want to hear the lines from (usually LI and whoever has the most connection to the mission or whatever).  

I'm not a fan of the sexualisation either, but not to point where I'm going to make my PTs monotonously Alenko-flavoured for it. 

[JigOS]

Metagaming:
Idealistic: I save Kaidan. I like his character better.
Pragmatic: I save Kaidan. I usually am a Soldier and Kaidan's biotics complement my powerset better than Ashley's soldiering.

Infragaming:
Idealistic: None. My Shepard is not in love with Ashley, and likes both of them the same. Regardless, he is professional enough to make this particular decision based on pragmatism.
Pragmatic: My Shepard saves Kaidan. He is a more valuable asset than Ashley, being a more skilled, more experienced, and higher ranking officer.

Ykulnu wrote...

My decision will always be the same, regardless of how I feel about the characters. You send your more technically inclined operative, Kaidan, to arm the bomb. Ashley, with her combat prowess, is better served assisting the Salarian commandos. When problems arise with the bomb, it is your responsibility as the CO to make sure the mission succeeds. To that end, you make sure Kaidan has the breathing room he needs to get that bomb ready. Supplanting a diversionary force with firepower that is more useful elsewhere is a terribly misguided tactical move.

I like your pragmatic reasoning, but I have some issue with it: The bomb is presumably military hardware, meant for deployment in any field, and thus would have been designed to be operated by standard military personel. Furthermore, the mission involves arming a bomb, not disarming it. Kaidan's technical expertise is unnecessary.

[Reikilea]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

I dislike that too. I have a lot of options, different options. I have game save with Ash, but I feel way to guilty in that one. And more over it´s not the same Ashley as it was before. Her sudden sexualisation bothered me.  Also it felt like she was another version of James soldier class. With two similar classes I really suffered in squad selection, mostly because I was infiltrator in that one. I much more prefer Kaidan´s sentinel class, because it fits everywhere.  (then again I never play on hard or insanity, so I am not sure in that matter. )

You know like they are always decision you just cant change (in a game, or even real life) ? Virmire is one for me. (And not shooting Mordin. And selling Legion to Cerberus)

 

I suppose I can understand, but for me there's only one decision so far I haven't been able to make (picking Morinth over Samara). I just did a Renegade PT where I shot Mordin. It was heartbreaking but damn it was good writing and animation and everything. Glad I got to see it for myself. 

I play insanity, the squad never matters to me. Shepard is so brokenly OP s/he decimates the enemy. I always just bring along whoever I want to hear the lines from (usually LI and whoever has the most connection to the mission or whatever).  

I'm not a fan of the sexualisation either, but not to point where I'm going to make my PTs monotonously Alenko-flavoured for it. 

Ah. You are right. No Morith either.

Damn I want to be able to play on insanity. Ok maybe I dont wanna, but I admire people who have patience for that.

And when it comes to that famous oversexualisation and fanservice topic (I kind of got used to it in the new Bioware games. What else can I do), but its still part of a reason is why I dont really  like most of the ME2 new squadmates (except Mordin and Legion). But that never stopped from using all of them and treating them equally.

However there is always topic of interpretation as you say. I convinced myself it´s better to save Kaidan and my mind now can´t cope with other option. I tried other option, but personally I still can´t find it morally right. It doesn´t necessary mean I´m being monotonously Alenko-flavoured. It´s just my belief. I want to keep them both, but they just didn´t let me.

[HolyAvenger]

Yeah I guess I'm just open-minded on the issue. I like both Ash and Kaidan, so I just alternate between them.

[Reikilea]

Or I may be selfish. I still want them both. Like it was during "old times".

[IC-07]

Making that choice back there was the most dramatic decision in the whole trilogy (yet ME 2 and 3 weren't dramatic in any way). But I chose Ash.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

Reikilea wrote...

Oh this again.

There is only one logical choice and thats Kaidan Alenko. snip

Your opinion   "on paper" alone  Ashley wipes the floor with him.

 Give her huge sniper  and assault rifle and she much  more  deadly than kaiden could ever hope of  being ...add in squad  based disruptor ammo and inferno  grenades+ her other skills and  she can take  down  pretty much anything. With Tali doing tech   unstoppable. 

Shepard Ashley Tail - instant win.

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 26 mars 2013 - 08:14 .

[Dieb]

nrobbiec wrote...

Baelrahn wrote...
in threads related to Kaidan (which you do frequent most times as well)

Haha yes, I'm most likely found in Kaidan or same-sex related threads 

Well, I don't reduce you to "that gay Kaidan dude", if I was giving away that impression... I'm mostly around to explain why Ashley is not a racist and how Zaeed is really Shepard's father.

It's moments like this I feel like I'm the single player in the verse, who wants Kaidan neither dead nor in bed...

Modifié par Baelrahn, 26 mars 2013 - 08:12 .

[ChuckTesla]

I usually stick with Ashley in ME1. They made it apparent early on that Kaiden wasn't going to be too interesting. Chakwas tells you he is an L2 biotic, who are known for having severe neural damage due to the L2 amp, but Kaiden only gets severe migraines. What a letdown; they just went ahead and took away a golden chance to define Kaiden as a character (His brain is affected by these implants! What is he going to do to overcome this hardship? Whatever he does, it will definitely tell you a lot about him in this story!), but instead he tells you about how he had a crush on a girl and felt bad for snapping his Turian instructor's neck. It's hard to buy that you feel grief for killing someone when you also run around the galaxy and shoot everything that moves.

EDIT: He also proves that he isn't a particularly good cook in the Citadel DLC, and that is a crime worthy of death in my mind.

Modifié par ChuckTesla, 26 mars 2013 - 08:25 .

[Spartas Husky]

Logically... Kaiden.
Now before you jump ship, I saved Ashley BUT

Kaiden is higher rank
Kaiden is a biotic
Kaiden is more of an expensive asset to the alliance
Kaiden is not only more expensive, but also more precious, biotics are rare.
Kaiden is more coolheaded

Ashley is a better soldier/grunt.

I saved Ashley. Dont ask me why , I dont know either.

[Battlebloodmage]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Logically... Kaiden.
Now before you jump ship, I saved Ashley BUT

Kaiden is higher rank
Kaiden is a biotic
Kaiden is more of an expensive asset to the alliance
Kaiden is not only more expensive, but also more precious, biotics are rare.
Kaiden is more coolheaded

Ashley is a better soldier/grunt.

I saved Ashley. Dont ask me why , I dont know either.

Ashley has boobs? 

[Spartas Husky]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Logically... Kaiden.
Now before you jump ship, I saved Ashley BUT

Kaiden is higher rank
Kaiden is a biotic
Kaiden is more of an expensive asset to the alliance
Kaiden is not only more expensive, but also more precious, biotics are rare.
Kaiden is more coolheaded

Ashley is a better soldier/grunt.

I saved Ashley. Dont ask me why , I dont know either.

Ashley has boobs? 

I romanced Liara so the reason is far worse.

I've said it before but I got flak, sometimes not.

I can't exactly see a woman be hurt.... but ....the bad truth is that Kaiden is just boring.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 26 mars 2013 - 08:42 .

[NovaBlastMarketing]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Logically... Kaiden.
Now before you jump ship, I saved Ashley BUT

Kaiden is higher rank
Kaiden is a biotic
Kaiden is more of an expensive asset to the alliance
Kaiden is not only more expensive, but also more precious, biotics are rare.
Kaiden is more coolheaded

Ashley is a better soldier/grunt. 

I saved Ashley. Dont ask me why , I dont know either.

Rank dosnt  add "worth" to somone .  

 Kaiden is a liablity  

"Kaidan is a biotic wired with the controversial L2 implants, which are known to cause severe neurological damage to the user. "  He is prone to migrans  ... sorry  i cant move at the moment can you tell the  reaper forces to come back later i havea headache.  It dosnt say anywhere that   his condition  wont get any worse as well.

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 26 mars 2013 - 08:49 .

[Adoramei]

And yet he fights like a champ despite the migraines. Never seen him stop fighting due to them.

[Spartas Husky]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Logically... Kaiden.
Now before you jump ship, I saved Ashley BUT

Kaiden is higher rank
Kaiden is a biotic
Kaiden is more of an expensive asset to the alliance
Kaiden is not only more expensive, but also more precious, biotics are rare.
Kaiden is more coolheaded

Ashley is a better soldier/grunt.

I saved Ashley. Dont ask me why , I dont know either.

Rank dosnt  add "worth" to somone .  

 Kaiden is a liablity  "Kaidan is a biotic wired with the controversial L2 implants, which are known to cause severe neurological damage to the user. "  He is prone to migrans  ... sorry  i cant move at the moment can you tell the  reaper forces to come back later i havea headache

In the military higher rank means you are more expensive. So yes. No different than Anderson being above Shepard, or Shepard being above Kaiden and Kaiden Above AShley.

Kaiden is prone ot migranes, not paralyzing illnesses. That is explained. Wrex even goes deeper and explaining that a little jolt to you shouldn't stop you from getting stronger.

So everything you got is based on what you believe rather than what the game has shown.

They are known to have cripling side effects, but as you dont pay attention to the lore you never heard chawkas saying Kaiden was the exemption with only suffering occassional migraines. You can work with  migraine, and most certainly save your own ass as well.

Please Stick to the lore and not on what you can come up with. If he was a liability the Systems alliance hires them why?

[nos_astra]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...
Rank dosnt  add "worth" to somone.

In the military it does. 

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...
Kaiden is a liablity  "Kaidan is a biotic wired with the controversial L2 implants, which are known to cause severe neurological damage to the user. "  He is prone to migrans  ... sorry  i cant move at the moment can you tell the  reaper forces to come back later i havea headache.

If he were a liability he wouldn't be on the Normandy. 

Plus, it takes centuries to harvest a galaxy. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Logically... Kaiden.
Now before you jump ship, I saved Ashley BUT

Kaiden is higher rank
Kaiden is a biotic
Kaiden is more of an expensive asset to the alliance
Kaiden is not only more expensive, but also more precious, biotics are rare.
Kaiden is more coolheaded

Ashley is a better soldier/grunt.

I saved Ashley. Dont ask me why , I dont know either.

Ashley has boobs? 

I romanced Liara so the reason is far worse.

I've said it before but I got flak, sometimes not.

I can't exactly see a woman be hurt.... but ....the bad truth is that Kaiden is just boring.

I'm just fooling around. It all comes down to personal choices. I don't think it's right to attack someone for how they roleplay the game. I read the post before the revised thread that you think it may seem degraded to women, but if that's how you feel, then that's how you feel. I personally believe in equal opportunity since i don't think Ashley would appreciate being spared simply because she's a woman. Ashley and Kaidan are both good choices, and the majority of the people saved Ashley, so you're not the only one. 

[TemplePhoenix]

Ash; sorry Kaidan, but I just found her more interesting.

[Spartas Husky]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Logically... Kaiden.
Now before you jump ship, I saved Ashley BUT

Kaiden is higher rank
Kaiden is a biotic
Kaiden is more of an expensive asset to the alliance
Kaiden is not only more expensive, but also more precious, biotics are rare.
Kaiden is more coolheaded

Ashley is a better soldier/grunt.

I saved Ashley. Dont ask me why , I dont know either.

Ashley has boobs? 

I romanced Liara so the reason is far worse.

I've said it before but I got flak, sometimes not.

I can't exactly see a woman be hurt.... but ....the bad truth is that Kaiden is just boring.

I'm just fooling around. It all comes down to personal choices. I don't think it's right to attack someone for how they roleplay the game. I read the post before the revised thread that you think it may seem degraded to women, but if that's how you feel, then that's how you feel. I personally believe in equal opportunity since i don't think Ashley would appreciate being spared simply because she's a woman. Ashley and Kaidan are both good choices, and the majority of the people saved Ashley, so you're not the only one. 

yeah... I revised it, not sure if it was too honest

[Raikas]

TemplePhoenix wrote...

Ash; sorry Kaidan, but I just found her more interesting.

I thought that was true in 1 (I didn't think Kaidan was boring, I just thought Ash was more complex), but I really felt that the reverse was true in 3 (and he had the better power set, so even though I oringally had equal numbers of saves for both of them, I ended up editing all except my Ash-romance one to swap her out).

I wish she'd been better written in ME3 though - real wasted potential there.

[Exile Isan]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
I personally believe in equal opportunity since i don't think Ashley would appreciate being spared simply because she's a woman.

I don't think she would either. If someone saves her simply because she's a woman then, IMHO, you are doing her character a massive disservice.