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[Pelle6666]

Why not nude models in the cutscenes but use "tasteful" camera angles? Like in ME1? Sure, that earned BioWare an appearance on Fox News but who cares? Love scenes with underwear is just silly but you don't have to go all Witcher 2 on the concept...

[SinerAthin]

The fun part is; the vast majority of the children don't care/are used to nudity, lol.

I have yet to meet a child that freaks out at the image of a naked person.

... unless it is of course a horribly ugly naked person xD


Our world is ruled by sentimental old nannies living in their own fictional fantasy world *sigh*

Modifié par SinerAthin, 02 avril 2013 - 01:41 .

[MKfighter89]

I blame the Witcher for threads like this.

[jkflipflopDAO]

There has to be some middle ground here. As a bunch of artists, I could see how they could wish to use naked bodies to express a scene or what have you. But as a game company you want to make the most sales.

Maybe have characters wearing the default sexytime undies and put out a optional dlc unlock code behind an agegate to get the "real" version with proper naked characters? Hidden option in a .cfg file or something. The romance scenes are very popular and could be even more so if done "correctly" and didn't have the silly underwear in the shower and stuff.

[Ailith Tycane]

Op, can you not...

[9TailsFox]

Avalon The Elf wrote...
]Uh, we do hear stuff about violence, the NRA blames gun violence on Videogames, so does the government and the media now and they want violent videogames done with completely

Video games don't kill people, people kill people. I play violent video games from 14 years old like GTA.... lets count how people I harm ok 0. If I find spider in my hose I take it outside, ok I can kill fly easy i am horrible. And all this gun problem is USA problem in my country we don't sell guns to everybody if you want have gun you have to be policemen hunter or criminal and all know how to use gun.

People must stop blaming and fix horrible situation in schools.

Modifié par 9TailsFox, 02 avril 2013 - 09:14 .

[-TC1989-]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

There has to be some middle ground here. As a bunch of artists, I could see how they could wish to use naked bodies to express a scene or what have you. But as a game company you want to make the most sales.
 

The thing is though, there really isn't a middle ground. You either have romance scenes with nudity, or you don't. Having "fade to black" sequences isn't really a middle ground. It's a solution of sorts, but it's simply only cutting the scene before anything happens, making it really just a make-out scene. What I don't get is if Bioware is against having anything too racy, then why would you add any kind of sexual animation in the first place (Origins). The only thing that did was make the whole sexual aspect pretty lame and immature. The only way you're really going to end this debate is to bite the bullet and put the M in Mature and take the lashings, or kill the sexual themes aspect altogether. Personally I have nothing against nudity in any fashion, whether it's gaming or television programs, people honestly need to relax about it, but in the end I understand it's their opinion. If Bioware really is hell bent on adding "sex scenes", then maybe they should consider adding a nude option in the settings. Along the lines of "hide helmet", or something? That way everyone wins? I know that would cost more resources and time, but it would solve the issue both ways.

I only really pursue romance in the first place because it adds character, and an overall more personal touch to the game, and simply more content. I like to get as much from my games as possible.

[Ridwan]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

There has to be some middle ground here. As a bunch of artists, I could see how they could wish to use naked bodies to express a scene or what have you. But as a game company you want to make the most sales.

Maybe have characters wearing the default sexytime undies and put out a optional dlc unlock code behind an agegate to get the "real" version with proper naked characters? Hidden option in a .cfg file or something. The romance scenes are very popular and could be even more so if done "correctly" and didn't have the silly underwear in the shower and stuff.

That would the be highest selling DLC ever.

[jkflipflopDAO]

-TC1989- wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

There has to be some middle ground here. As a bunch of artists, I could see how they could wish to use naked bodies to express a scene or what have you. But as a game company you want to make the most sales.
 

The thing is though, there really isn't a middle ground. You either have romance scenes with nudity, or you don't. Having "fade to black" sequences isn't really a middle ground. It's a solution of sorts, but it's simply only cutting the scene before anything happens, making it really just a make-out scene. What I don't get is if Bioware is against having anything too racy, then why would you add any kind of sexual animation in the first place (Origins). The only thing that did was make the whole sexual aspect pretty lame and immature. The only way you're really going to end this debate is to bite the bullet and put the M in Mature and take the lashings, or kill the sexual themes aspect altogether. Personally I have nothing against nudity in any fashion, whether it's gaming or television programs, people honestly need to relax about it, but in the end I understand it's their opinion. If Bioware really is hell bent on adding "sex scenes", then maybe they should consider adding a nude option in the settings. Along the lines of "hide helmet", or something? That way everyone wins? I know that would cost more resources and time, but it would solve the issue both ways.

I only really pursue romance in the first place because it adds character, and an overall more personal touch to the game, and simply more content. I like to get as much from my games as possible.

Good job disagreeing with me then correcting me with my post reworded.

[DarthKaldriss]

Sauruz wrote...

Why are people arguing nudity in this thread? OP didn't advertise nudity, he advertised having the characters be censored SIMS-style. Which would look just stupid in a Fantasy game.
Also, equipable underwear, possibly with enchantments. Come on, guys. Am I the only one who finds that ridiculous?
Sigh, I'm the only one who read OP's post, ain't I?

             *Cough* Lineage 2 *Cough*  That has enchantable underwear, I kid you not. 

[EpicBoot2daFace]

JillBSuiT wrote...

I blame the Witcher for threads like this.

Really? I blame The Sims.

[Avalon The Elf]

9TailsFox wrote...

Avalon The Elf wrote...
]Uh, we do hear stuff about violence, the NRA blames gun violence on Videogames, so does the government and the media now and they want violent videogames done with completely

Video games don't kill people, people kill people. I play violent video games from 14 years old like GTA.... lets count how people I harm ok 0. If I find spider in my hose I take it outside, ok I can kill fly easy i am horrible. And all this gun problem is USA problem in my country we don't sell guns to everybody if you want have gun you have to be policemen hunter or criminal and all know how to use gun.

People must stop blaming and fix horrible situation in schools.

Agreed, people can be killed in anyway if someone wants them dead

[Bizantura]

American prudery. Blood everywhere in games or in movies but a bit of nakedness......
Unfortunetly, its the biggest market for selling games. So yes, in that respect I miss the creation kit.

Different versions for different continents would be a solution but they will never go for that. But then again will it matter DA2 was written relation wise for kiddies, so immature compaired with DAO. That irked me to no end and maybe it would be best to get rid of the romance allthogeter if its written for 14 year olds.

The dark world of an inquisition with romance written for young teens, I cringe by the idea.

[subject ZeroJacK]

9TailsFox wrote...

subject ZeroJacK wrote...

The Banshees. IN Me3
have nipples Lol

They Should Take a q from God of War
Intense blood and gore Strong Sex Scenes Ect
I bet. It Would get Higher Raitings lol

Looks Intense

yeah It does Nothing Like Blood and Guts lol

[subject ZeroJacK]

9TailsFox wrote...

Avalon The Elf wrote...
]Uh, we do hear stuff about violence, the NRA blames gun violence on Videogames, so does the government and the media now and they want violent videogames done with completely

Video games don't kill people, people kill people. I play violent video games from 14 years old like GTA.... lets count how people I harm ok 0. If I find spider in my hose I take it outside, ok I can kill fly easy i am horrible. And all this gun problem is USA problem in my country we don't sell guns to everybody if you want have gun you have to be policemen hunter or criminal and all know how to use gun.

People must stop blaming and fix horrible situation in schools.

i agree and I dout They Can becouse then they would have to ban action Movies and sensor The media And Then they will lose alot of money 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

9TailsFox wrote...

And all this gun problem is USA problem in my country we don't sell guns to everybody if you want have gun you have to be policemen hunter or criminal and all know how to use gun.

Except that the NRA wants to have an excuse not to do that here, so they have to blame video games. The fact that its really not Bioware's or Rockstar's or Bethesda's fault isn't really relevant to their political desires.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 03 avril 2013 - 04:09 .

[Renmiri1]

Having seen some mods with adult content, I can tell you that just adding nipples and some hair in strategic places is pretty much the same as "fade to black". Not even close to the real thing.

If you want a convincing sex scene you have to redo animations from scratch because most of the motion capture available in the market is NOT made for sexy bits. So the best animations you have are hugs and some kisses, nothing even remotely "sexual".

Just look at EDI, Brood Mothers or Banshees. Sure you see the ****** and the nipple but they are not animated. As real as a barbie doll you paint some black dots on it.

And we are only talking about females here. Animating males for a sex scene would add a whole new kettle of fish (or a single eel, if you get my drift  ) Anything short of a tasteful - or explicit - realistic animation would look weird and fake. Be it fade to black or clothed hugs in the shower, or just black dotted asexual dolls hugging wouldn't make much of a difference. To do it well and convincingly Bioware or others would have to spend some big bucks and hire people with this kind of background.

I'd rather Bioware and EA spend their money and resources on other areas of the game, and anyone who wants to see explicit sex goes to the 1 billion hentai / pr0n web sites that do it for free on the net. You guys heard there is free pr0n on the net, havent't you ?

Modifié par Renmiri1, 03 avril 2013 - 06:48 .

[wetnasty]

 I'm fine with underwear but GOOD GOD NO MORE LONG PANTS FOR GUYS AS UNDERWEAR.

It looked sooo silly. Don't know what Bioware was thinking. 

[CuriousArtemis]

Um yeah I don't want to see pixels getting it on. I'm fine with the fade to black scenes. We've got porn and Game of Thrones episodes if you want to get your rocks off to two fake people going at it.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 03 avril 2013 - 02:51 .

[Ridwan]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Goodness. So much ignorance.

On this page alone.

Tell you what, do us all a favor and leave the country bashing out of this.

Bioware doesn't want to. There's your answer.

Aren't Bioware Canadians, yet people blame the U.S?

[Welsh Inferno]

Fade to black is fine. Though I'd like it if they actually take of some of their clothes and use clever camera angles to conceal their bits before it fades.

Still love ME1's scenes the best.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 03 avril 2013 - 03:25 .

[andy6915]

^
Yeah... That makes sense, actually. The U.S is their main market base, and they don't want the U.S's usual overreation to nudity to bite them in the ass. That Fox News scandal really scared them away from nudity. If they didn't care about the U.S market base, they probably would have put in at least female nipples by this point.

[Thetford]

I don't know why people are asking for full body shots? How about focussing on facial expressions, if body needs to be shown, how about use a light source that lights up only the face and leaves the body in almost a silhouette? The only issue about the underwear in the love scenes is that apparently every woman in the game goes to to the Ferelden branch of Marks & Sparks for their bras, and the only issue I had at all with undies in video games for nude scenes is the Lionhead game The Movies, which could have done with some flesh suits for shower scenes (as well as camera angles that didn't show the swimsuits when getting in or out of the shower).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but people are mentioning game ratings, but isn't there a higher rank of rating called AO (Adults Only)?

[BeatoSama]

Yes and the AO rating is pretty much a death sentence for a game. So that's not optimal.
Not that I think Bioware actually has a desire to show their characters in the nude.