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[Fiacre]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Anyways, I always thought it was weird to see the Underwear thing DA:O and DA2

Wasn't DA2 primarily fading to black as well?

I believe the complaint isn't about not seeing the act itself, but rather seeing the post-blackscreen characters in their underwear. I can see how it could break immersion for some, since it reminds me of how post-coital talk is often depicted in television broadcasts.

That certainly was the problem for me. I loved the Hawke/Merrill scene (even with the awkward models and animations), but it always bugged me how they were half-clothed. I eventually just headcanoned that there was no actual sex (since immediate sex after just getting together bugged me as welll, anyway).

The lack of blankets and the bed being so neat even after the sex bugs me as well, no matter which romance scene it is, every single time.

[CuriousArtemis]

EntropicAngel wrote...

What if my character doesn't act like they would in the cutscene? What if X Hawke/Warden doesn't want to stroke their companion, but wants to get right down to business? What if they dislike foreplay and wish to forego it? Conversely, what if it's Y Hawke/Warden's first time, and they're nervous? Want to take it slow? Have never kissed a [insert gender] before? All of the easy stroking and moving in ME1's scene will be awfully out of character.

Fade-to-black, alleviates all that.

That is a wonderful point. One of the worst moments for me was in DA:O when my Warden agreed to sleep with Morrigan at the end of the game to save his and Alistair's life. My persuasion wasn't high enough to convince Alistair to do it, so my Warden had to very reluctantly agree. Cue the cut scene ... which has my Warden smiling seductively with bliss and excitement as Morrigan slinked over him.

[Renmiri1]

Maria Caliban wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Pardon me for how...blunt I'm going to be, but...

What if my character doesn't act like they would in the cutscene?

Welcome to BioWare RPGs. Creating a cinematic experience is more important than making sure no one's personal vision of the PC is violated.

Ouch!

I never had that jarring "violated" sense while playing any DA game though seeing Thane jump into the cereal killer sword iun ME3 did just that. But I wouldn't blame Bioware as a whole for bad writing on a single character. In most cases they are prety sensitive to the players headcanon and vision.

[Fiacre]

motomotogirl wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

What if my character doesn't act like they would in the cutscene? What if X Hawke/Warden doesn't want to stroke their companion, but wants to get right down to business? What if they dislike foreplay and wish to forego it? Conversely, what if it's Y Hawke/Warden's first time, and they're nervous? Want to take it slow? Have never kissed a [insert gender] before? All of the easy stroking and moving in ME1's scene will be awfully out of character.

Fade-to-black, alleviates all that.

That is a wonderful point. One of the worst moments for me was in DA:O when my Warden agreed to sleep with Morrigan at the end of the game to save his and Alistair's life. My persuasion wasn't high enough to convince Alistair to do it, so my Warden had to very reluctantly agree. Cue the cut scene ... which has my Warden smiling seductively with bliss and excitement as Morrigan slinked over him.

Smiling seductively Mine always look kind of scared. It's pretty weird when they've romanced Morrigan, which a bunch of them have, considering that she's my fav romance.

It certainly did bother me when I romanced Zev with an ultra virginal Cousland who didn't even know how sex between two men worked, and somehow he seemed to have ended up on top. I mean, even ignoring the fact that he'd refuse to do that because he'd be too scared to screw up... Zev, I don't think that's a good idea. Likely a very painful one, in fact... And having someone who riomanced Morrigan, but never even initiated sex (he left that to her) and someone who asked her practically every time he was at camp behave the same during sex is kind of odd, too.

So I do prefer fade to black for pretty much the same reasons. I just wish the post sex talks weren't half clothed when it's implied that the characters only just finshed (or like in Fenris scene, where I got the impression that Hawke dozed off for a bit while Fenris got dressed. So why would he wear panst and boots? And lie atop the bedsheets? That's got to be cold.)

[Renmiri1]

Femhawke was on her undies for the Fenris thing, I think. Her undies were larger than most one piece bathing suits though

[Han Shot First]

GenericEnemy wrote...

I think Liara's love scene in ME3 is how BioWare should do their scenes. Not underwear, but the camera angles, shadows and arm/leg placement blocked out any of the good bits.

This.

[Angrywolves]

I believe most players fantasize themselves as being in the game i.e.as the warden or Hawke, hence for the people who like romances fade to black won't work. No need to fade to black when creative camera angles and a little forethought and ingenuity would serve the players much better.

[hoorayforicecream]

Fiacre wrote...

The lack of blankets and the bed being so neat even after the sex bugs me as well, no matter which romance scene it is, every single time.

Believable cloth simulation is hard, especially on a shortened development schedule.

[Han Shot First]

Angrywolves wrote...

I believe most players fantasize themselves as being in the game i.e.as the warden or Hawke, hence for the people who like romances fade to black won't work. .

Not me.

I never quite understood people who saw themselves as Shepard, or Hawke, or the Warden. I never view the player character as being 'me.' For one that greatly limit the ability to roleplay all of those characters in different ways. A protagonist in RPG might do things differently than I would actually do them, if I were in his or her shoes/boots/sandals.

For me an RPG is more like a book where you are following a character's adventure, but unlike a book, you help determine what course that characer takes.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 03 avril 2013 - 09:35 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Pardon me for how...blunt I'm going to be, but...

What if my character doesn't act like they would in the cutscene?

Welcome to BioWare RPGs. Creating a cinematic experience is more important than making sure no one's personal vision of the PC is violated.

Ouch!

I never had that jarring "violated" sense while playing any DA game though seeing Thane jump into the cereal killer sword iun ME3 did just that. But I wouldn't blame Bioware as a whole for bad writing on a single character. In most cases they are prety sensitive to the players headcanon and vision.

This isn't about Thane, though, or any other NPC companion character. It is about Hawke or Shepherd (the character the player is supposed to be controlling) doing things that is out of character for hwo the player imagined them to be. Other characters can act however they want - they aren't controlled by the player. But the Player Character should have as little actions, dialogue and overall expression that is not at least somewhat influenced by the player as possible.

[RedArmyShogun]

If you just have them all to die before the snu-snu, then the problem solves its self.

[Fiacre]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Fiacre wrote...

The lack of blankets and the bed being so neat even after the sex bugs me as well, no matter which romance scene it is, every single time.

Believable cloth simulation is hard, especially on a shortened development schedule.

I suppose so. I also don't expcet them to waste time on something minor like this, I just can't help noticing it during the romance scenes. I still like them well enough, though, and more than DA:O's.

Angrywolves wrote...

I believe most players fantasize
themselves as being in the game i.e.as the warden or Hawke, hence for
the people who like romances fade to black won't work. No need to fade
to black when creative camera angles and a little forethought and
ingenuity would serve the players much better.

Even assuming your theory is right and the majrity does do that, wouldn't it bug them all the more when a character acts during sex in a way they never would? It's a rather intimate and personal thing, after all.

[Solmanian]

I'd prefer a conan the barbarian fur loincloth as a clothing option.

[Renmiri1]

Fast Jimmy wrote...


This isn't about Thane, though, or any other NPC companion character. It is about Hawke or Shepherd (the character the player is supposed to be controlling) doing things that is out of character for hwo the player imagined them to be. Other characters can act however they want - they aren't controlled by the player. But the Player Character should have as little actions, dialogue and overall expression that is not at least somewhat influenced by the player as possible.

It never really happened to me in any Bioware game but I gotta admit it was one of the reasons I put down TW1. collecting little cards for women was way too puke worthy to me and completely broke my immersion.

But again, it didn't sour me to the entire CK body of work, just for the Witcher 1. I might try TW2 someday and I'm eager to try their cyberpunk thingy.

[Renmiri1]

Solmanian wrote...

I'd prefer a conan the barbarian fur loincloth as a clothing option.

UGH. Skyrim turned me off loincloths but then mods are your friends

Modifié par Renmiri1, 03 avril 2013 - 10:09 .

[Sylvianus]

Fiacre wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I believe most players fantasize
themselves as being in the game i.e.as the warden or Hawke, hence for
the people who like romances fade to black won't work. No need to fade
to black when creative camera angles and a little forethought and
ingenuity would serve the players much better.

Even assuming your theory is right and the majrity does do that, wouldn't it bug them all the more when a character acts during sex in a way they never would? It's a rather intimate and personal thing, after all.

This is much simpler than that. Players learn that the characters will undertake the sexual act, they want to see sex, because that's what it is about. Sex. Or more obvious, they want to see words materialize into reality. Why does it need to be hidden ? Do we hide battles when it is about fight ? No.

Fade to black could be considered as a useless smokescreen. There are people satisfied with their " imagination ", there are other which whom it won't work at all. The sexual act isn't then considered  and the desired effect of believing it is simply discarded.

That's my case to be honest. I don't care about fade to back, but that's just the easiest way, the easiest solution. If they can't do things right with the other ways, why not. But I don't take that thing seriously.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 03 avril 2013 - 10:51 .

[Renmiri1]

Again, the ammount of work to do it properly would be taking away from armor / weapon / combat / level balancing / story and the miriad of other things that make DA enjoyable to us gamers.

I believe it is a fair trade to have a fade to black or camera angle and use the time for other gaming stuff I and others value more.

The same rationality does not apply to battles because battle motion capture and animation are already done and available reasonably cheaply by most gaming engines and even for free from some universities. So no, there would not be the same impact on game budget and time to show a battle, which you can get most of the animation and physics work already "packaged" and the time required to show a convincingly real sex act. Because sex act animations are not given out for free by Universities or cheap by game engines. Is not the same thing, you are comparing apples to oranges. Sex animations and texturing would have to be done mostly form scratch and battle animation, texturing and special effects are there already.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 03 avril 2013 - 10:31 .

[Sidney]

I don't want pixelation and I don't want silly looking undies either.

The best "scene" was the one in ME1 with Liara/Ash. That presentation was what I would think an M rated game would aspire to do if it is going to go there. That felt like a scene that might have played out in a movie or TV show while the scnes in M2/3 or DA* just 100% looked silly and I was almost ashamed to be watching them.

[Renmiri1]

Sidney wrote...

I don't want pixelation and I don't want silly looking undies either.

The best "scene" was the one in ME1 with Liara/Ash. That presentation was what I would think an M rated game would aspire to do if it is going to go there. That felt like a scene that might have played out in a movie or TV show while the scnes in M2/3 or DA* just 100% looked silly and I was almost ashamed to be watching them.

I'm with you there. I prefer fade to black than that. Though kisses and hugs were pretty fun, the rest was a bit too jarringly and too unreal. To spend any time doing things half way might as well not do them and spend time and money on a better potion / enchanting system or not repeating every single dungeon 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 03 avril 2013 - 10:33 .

[bzombo]

samgrave wrote...

Ok, so I get that full frontal nudity is out of the question, but what I don't get if why the models have to be dressed in underwear even if you strip them bare naked in the charachter screens. I mean, wouldn't be better to have them completely naked on the inventory screen and just pixel out the "sensitive parts"? Even "The Sims" did this and Sims has an age-rating for children which is something DA  does not have (nor the majority of Bioware's RPGs for that matter). I'm not saying we can't have underwear in the game, but why not have them as a part of an equippable set undergarment that can potentially add perks/enhancements etc. Kinda bugs me that the protagonist always has the same set of underwear in my games that s/he never seems to change and that are forceably equipped no matter what..

Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember that Saint's Row also opted for this solution and "pixelled" their player charachter models rather than forced undergarments on them. 

I don't get this obsession some players have with nudity in Dragon Age. I wouldn't care if the game had it, but it's not something I'd go so far as to complain about the lack of nudity on the forums. It just seems like such a non-issue.

[Sylvianus]

Renmiri1 wrote...

The same rationality does not apply to battles because battle motion capture and animation are already done and available reasonably cheaply by most gaming engines and even for free from some universities. So no, there would not be the same impact on game budget and time to show a battle, which you can get most of the animation and physics work already "packaged" and the time required to show a convincingly real sex act. Because sex act animations are not given out for free by Universities or cheap by game engines. Is not the same thing, you are comparing apples to oranges. Sex animations and texturing would have to be done mostly form scratch and battle animation, texturing and special effects are there already.

If you are talking to me, this is absolutely irrelevant. Bioware doesn't want to show things because they don't want to. That's about it.

[DragonMage95]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Give me side boob... or give me death!

This was awesome.

[Iakus]

bzombo wrote...


I don't get this obsession some players have with nudity in Dragon Age

+1

[Hillbillyhat]

bzombo wrote...
I don't get this obsession some players have with nudity in Dragon Age. I wouldn't care if the game had it, but it's not something I'd go so far as to complain about the lack of nudity on the forums. It just seems like such a non-issue.

I don't want to say its because of The Witcher but...its The Witcher.

[Overdosing]

If BioWare doesn't want to put nudity in Dragon Age, it's fine by me. As long as they can get rid of the underwear sex that they've been pulling off. It justs looks awkward. What happened in the first Mass Effect was the perfect example to use.

Besides, BioWare could experiment with nudity in their new franchise if they want to, as well as any other new franchises/games they plan to develop.

And as for us, if we desperately want to see Dragon Age nudity, we could just go ahead and google nude mods and pics like the Naked Skins ones, the Nexus ones, Rule 34, and there is even one on Youtube for some reason.

Either way, explicit nudity won't happen anytime soon. 

Modifié par Overdosing, 04 avril 2013 - 12:02 .