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[Renmiri1]

nightscrawl wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Wasn't DA2 primarily fading to black as well?

While I prefer the "fade to black" approach I'm not sure it's fair to use DA2 as an example. If Merrill got an underwear scene because there were already undressed female elf models to use, while the other three LIs didn't because their own unique bodies would have required more work -- thus leading to the assumption that lack of resources was the culprit here, please correct if this is not accurate -- then it's not a fair comparison.

If DA2 had been given more time and resources, would the decision still have been made to show Merrill undressed and not the others? If the answer is "yes," then I can respect that as a design decision; as I said, I prefer the "fade to black" scenes over the sex scene from DAO. If the answer is "no," I think it's worth exploring because then one is left to wonder what kind of scenes we would have had, given the time and resources; similar to DAO is the logical assumption.

When it comes to DA2 and some of its issues, there is the assumption by many players that lack of resources contributed to some of them, rather than them being a purposeful design decision. In some cases, I think it actually would be helpful to know which were design decisions, even if they didn't work out well, and which were the result of lack of zots. Obviously, reused maps is a result of deficient resources, but sex scenes can go either way.

What all the lazy posters from the previous page ignored...

Battle scenes and gore are EASY and CHEAP to do because there are countless videogames with them and a lot of those are part of the Unreal / Frostbyte  / etc game engine setup. It comes already made. 

Sex scenes do not come already made and would have to be developed from scratch for 3D CGI. Porn on the web or on movies uses real people so making a porn scene on a movie is as easy as making a swordplay scene or a martial arts scene.

The same ease does not translate to 3D CGI - Computer Graphics resources for sex scenes are just in their infancy while computer graphics resources for FPS scenes or sword and sorcery scenes or martial arts scenes have been done and motion captured for the past 20+ years. Martial arts and swordplay motion capture and animations are even available for free from Carnegie Mellon and other Universities. Said Universities DO NOT make sex motion capture for free. See the difference here ? FREE AND READY x DO IT FROM SCRATCH.

So no, making a sex scene on 3D CGI is not the same as making a gory impaled by a sword scene. Not on terms of development resources, time, cost, etc..

The reason most gaming companies don't do it and do fade to black is likely a lot more to do with not wanting to build things from scratch for a 10 seconds sex scene than with prudery or distaste for sex.
 

FFS when replying to a thread would it kill you to read the last 2-3 pages!?!?!?!

Modifié par Renmiri1, 04 avril 2013 - 04:34 .

[Renmiri1]

PS: You think it is important to have good, cheap readily available CGI sex scenes ? Glue some electrodes to yourself and partner and get motion capturing, then put it available Open Source. It will do much more to your quest for realistic 3D CGI sex scenes than complaining on a game forum.

That is what some people did on Second Life. Guy and Girlfriend motion captured the entire Kama Sutra on SL animations. But they didn't do it for free and I don't blame them, it took them almost a year to do all and a lot of dedication. They sold it for less than $5 per "scene" poseballs and got rich (I think was over $100k per year they were making last time I checked).

http://alphavilleher...into-chaos.html

This was without question an historic day. If there was any question about Stroker Serpentine leaving Second Life, it was erased Wednesday morning when he made the flagship of his SexGen business available with copy/transfer/modify permissions. The bed that turned a former real life plumber into a millionaire is now available to anyone - and free.

Interestingly enough, Stroker Serpentine (the guy who MC all the kama sutra) had sued SL owner Linden Labs, Paypal and other SL users for copying and selling (or enablying the copy / sell of ) his stuff in 2007, now on 2011 he gives it all away for free. Go figure! Guess he made enough money. His "beds" were beds that when right clicked by 2 players would allow their 3D avatars to start doing cuddle and sex animations, including doggy, 69, ******, missionary, etc... They sold for $46 at first and were around $5 in 2009...

Modifié par Renmiri1, 04 avril 2013 - 05:08 .

[Renmiri1]

krul2k wrote...

i like this page it talks about my 2 favorite things, sex an booze, now if i could just direct you all to talk about boobs

Why certainly, SL to the rescue

(Safe for work but brain bleach needed)

http://hugsalot.file...ob-fail_001.png

[Fast Jimmy]

Renmiri1 wrote...

PS: You think it is important to have good, cheap readily available CGI sex scenes ? Glue some electrodes to yourself and partner and get motion capturing, then put it available Open Source. It will do much more to your quest for realistic 3D CGI sex scenes than complaining on a game forum.

That is what some people did on Second Life. Guy and Girlfriend motion captured the entire Kama Sutra on SL animations. But they didn't do it for free and I don't blame them, it took them almost a year to do all and a lot of dedication. They sold it for less than $5 per "scene" poseballs and got rich (I think was over $100k per year they were making last time I checked).

http://alphavilleher...into-chaos.html

This was without question an historic day. If there was any question about Stroker Serpentine leaving Second Life, it was erased Wednesday morning when he made the flagship of his SexGen business available with copy/transfer/modify permissions. The bed that turned a former real life plumber into a millionaire is now available to anyone - and free.[/i]

This is, without a doubt, the most ridiculous thing ever. 

I don't even have words for how much I do not want this in a DA game. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 04 avril 2013 - 05:06 .

[Renmiri1]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

That is what some people did on Second Life. Guy and Girlfriend motion captured the entire Kama Sutra on SL

This is, without a doubt, the most ridiculous thing ever. 

I don't even have words for how much I do not want this in a DA game. 

Oh did I mention they also do this for furry avatar creatures ? 

Furry sex beds. SL is a strange place 




They also have Dragon avatars and poseballs for them now that i think of. And Elf, dwarf, Drow, Demon, Incubis, Mermaids, robots, cars, ponies .... 

Bottom line: Want pr0n, go google. Want 3D pr0n ? Go search SL Marketplace. Have a barf bag handy. And please pretty please, leave videogames out ot of it. 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 04 avril 2013 - 05:19 .

[Topsider]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Topsider wrote...

Porn is intended for adults, which means it's for a mature audience.

Watching it doesn't "make" you mature, but you're supposed to be mature (adult) in order to watch it. 

It looks like you're confusing "mature" and "adult."

The two are not the same--at all.

I think you are confusing maturity and actually being mature. An adult can still be immature but is fully developed age-wise, in mind and body. Likewise, a child could seem mature beyond their years but that doesn't mean they should be watching porn. It's also illegal (doesn't stop anyone underage).

A mature game will have themes that are not meant for children, or even teens. Nudity is not offensive at all, but combine it with a 'mild' sex scene and the media goes wild. Then it's suddenly for adults, which is ridiculous.

edit: mature definition here is what I mean.

www.thefreedictionary.com/mature

Modifié par Topsider, 04 avril 2013 - 05:46 .

[Xilizhra]

This is, without a doubt, the most ridiculous thing ever.

I don't even have words for how much I do not want this in a DA game.

I don't know, it might have potential. But only if Jennifer Hale and Ali Hills do all of the motion capturing.

[Sir George Parr]

@Renmiri1: Boob fail, It reminds of the woman that used to co-host Eurotrash. Time for that brain bleach me thinks.

Modifié par XM-417, 05 avril 2013 - 01:24 .

[Renmiri1]

Be happy I didn't feel like snark goggling cupcakes 

It reminded me too much of the time someone got me to google blue waffles... UGH

Modifié par Renmiri1, 04 avril 2013 - 05:47 .

[Degs29]

Not that it's incredibly important, but I think any workarounds to nudity in a mature game are just silly. I realize video games are behind movies in this regard, but come on. Aren't we past this? If anyone seriously takes offense at nudity in M-rated games, that's their problem.

[Endurium]

I would take The Witcher's negligee over Bioware's past "smallclothes" any day. Triss and Shani look sexy rather than "omg who dresses you?!?!" Since DA:I is supposedly set in a more upscale area, perhaps this could happen. (Note I didn't mind the how the loincloth looked on guys in DAO, but the female underwear was just yuck yuck yuck.)

Mod makers will eventually give you pixelated bits so give it time.

[Renmiri1]

Degs29 wrote...

Not that it's incredibly important, but I think any workarounds to nudity in a mature game are just silly. I realize video games are behind movies in this regard, but come on. Aren't we past this? If anyone seriously takes offense at nudity in M-rated games, that's their problem.

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No, the main issue is that technology for 3D nudity in games is just not available yet, while getting a RL actress to undress is cheap and easy. 3D mesh models are still on the Ken / Barbie doll age, or even earlier since Barbie already has nipples and most 3D mesh / textures don't.

Pubes ? Nope. Penis ? Nope. And that is only the static stuff.. Animating  a body "in action" during sex in 3D is not a prepackaged thing on most 3D graphic environments, Second Life excluded. And even there, it was expensive until very recently.

[MrCousland99]

To be honest I really don't understand why they just dont make them nude...man that sounded weird...anyway Dragon Age is rated 18, or R considering where you are from just like The Witcher and THEY have no problem doing it that way. Besides we all know the problem with nudity was about that stupid f@#@ing FOX news story about the sex scenes in Mass Effect.


   
<_<

Modifié par MrCousland99, 04 avril 2013 - 06:07 .

[Renmiri1]

Doesn't really make much difference to me, small sexy undies or full nude, and if it helps with game ratings, why not just go for undies ?

Long Johns is going a bit overboard though. DA2 undies for humans were way too big. For Elves it was ok, they looked like surfer dudes and dudettes at a pool party.

What really bothered me on DA2 were the hands though. Fenris gloved hands were UGH and so were the human hands full of liver spots.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 04 avril 2013 - 06:13 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Battle scenes and gore are EASY and CHEAP to do because there are countless videogames with them and a lot of those are part of the Unreal / Frostbyte  / etc game engine setup. It comes already made. 

What? No. There isn't a repository of gore effects that all games pull from. Different engines may have more user-friendly tools than others, tools that might be able to make, say, gore, look better much easier but a person still has to make the gore in the first place. Even if there is such a repository, a big budget game is going to want to make the effects to fit their own needs and style.

Very little about games is easy and cheap.

Renmiri1 wrote...

No, the main issue is that technology for 3D nudity in games is just not available yet, while getting a RL actress to undress is cheap and easy. 3D mesh models are still on the Ken / Barbie doll age, or even earlier since Barbie already has nipples and most 3D mesh / textures don't.

Pubes
? Nope. Penis ? Nope. And that is only the static stuff.. Animating  a body "in action" during sex in 3D is not a prepackaged thing on most 3D graphic environments, Second Life excluded. And even there, it was expensive until very recently.

Where on earth are you getting your information

People don't put nipples or genitalia on video game models unless they are asked to or unless said nipples or genitalia will be be shown; its not like its impossible. Why waste waste time and polys modeling a penis that will never see the light of day? And would probably cause a ton of issues by clipping though clothes.

Same with animating bodies interacting. It has been done six ways to sunday in literally every 3D game ever, its called a paired animation. "Prepackaged"?... nothing is prepackaged. You can download stock animations, sure, but most animations for AAA games are done by hand or mo-cap.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 04 avril 2013 - 06:38 .

[Topsider]

Degs29 wrote...

Not that it's incredibly important, but I think any workarounds to nudity in a mature game are just silly. I realize video games are behind movies in this regard, but come on. Aren't we past this? If anyone seriously takes offense at nudity in M-rated games, that's their problem.

It's not really the players taking offense at nudity (unless they're prudes), it's the media. Their fake outrage when they need a story is plain for all to see. The attack on ME was a classic example. No matter how blatant and obnoxious it was, that kind of smear tactic will make a publisher/developer think twice in the future, even when everyone knows they did nothing wrong.

[nightscrawl]

Renmiri1 wrote...

FFS when replying to a thread would it kill you to read the last 2-3 pages!?!?!?!

I was responding to a specific point made by a specific person, hence the quote.

You missed the whole point of my post, which was to address the disparity between a conscious design decision by the devs, rather than something they had to do because of lack of resources.

Also, I stated twice in the post that I do prefer the "fade to black" approach.

[grumpymooselion]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Anyways, I always thought it was weird to see the Underwear thing DA:O and DA2

Wasn't DA2 primarily fading to black as well?

If I remember right, that was what happened in the majority I'm familiar, though, I didn't explore all the romances so I couldn't speak for all of them.

I still very much feel that Mass Effect 1's scenes were the way to go 'if' a developer chooses to show the scene at all, and not just fade to black. The fading to black is perfectly valid, in my view, as well.