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[Blackrising]

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

Blackrising wrote...
No, I don't. Tell me, is there any plot-related reason for the player to have to see Geralt hooking up with various women over the course of the game? If there is, I apologize and will concede that the scenes are not pointless. But I suspect that the sex was completly unnecessary.

Geralt's relationship with Triss Merigold is rather important for the plot, actually.

And they couldn't have shown them doing something other than having sex? Cuddling? Kissing? Playing chess? There are more ways than one to imply an intimate relationship.
And Geralt hooks up with more women than her over the course of the game. Though I will admit that I don't know whether those scenes are avoidable or not.

[gds76]

Not to get involved, but they don't have sex in the opening scene. They only kiss and the guard interrupts.It's literally a 15 second scene. All other scenes in the game are completely optional, even with the one Triss.

[LPPrince]

Blackrising wrote...

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

Blackrising wrote...
No, I don't. Tell me, is there any plot-related reason for the player to have to see Geralt hooking up with various women over the course of the game? If there is, I apologize and will concede that the scenes are not pointless. But I suspect that the sex was completly unnecessary.

Geralt's relationship with Triss Merigold is rather important for the plot, actually.

And they couldn't have shown them doing something other than having sex? Cuddling? Kissing? Playing chess? There are more ways than one to imply an intimate relationship.
And Geralt hooks up with more women than her over the course of the game. Though I will admit that I don't know whether those scenes are avoidable or not.

They are. Triss is the only character in which Geralt is always in a relationship with. Every other possible encounter with another woman is optional and purely up to the player.

Even with Triss, the bath scene is optional. The only "forced scene" is a scene of Triss and Geralt at the beginning of the game waking up from a night's sleep. All that contained was a nude Triss and a kiss, I believe.

Modifié par LPPrince, 26 mars 2013 - 01:52 .

[Lennard Testarossa]

Blackrising wrote...
And they couldn't have shown them doing something other than having sex? Cuddling? Kissing? Playing chess? There are more ways than one to imply an intimate relationship.

And why would they want to use another way to imply an intimate relationship? You asked whether or not it served a purpose - it does. You seem to imply that depicting sex should be avoided if possible. Why?

Besides, merely cuddling or kissing a little wouldn't depict the nature of the relationship very accurately and wouldn't fit Geralt's character.

[Estelindis]

I don't really care about this much in general, but it does feel weird when characters wake up after sex in their underwear or even fully clothed. I'd prefer if camera angles were used cleverly to cover things. Still think ME1 had the nicest love scene of a Bioware game and that came down to the camera angles. It actually added to the respectful tenderness of the scene, in my opinion. It gave me the sense that the PC and LI were seeing and sharing things that I wasn't. I think that's good.

[Blackrising]

LPPrince wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

Blackrising wrote...
No, I don't. Tell me, is there any plot-related reason for the player to have to see Geralt hooking up with various women over the course of the game? If there is, I apologize and will concede that the scenes are not pointless. But I suspect that the sex was completly unnecessary.

Geralt's relationship with Triss Merigold is rather important for the plot, actually.

And they couldn't have shown them doing something other than having sex? Cuddling? Kissing? Playing chess? There are more ways than one to imply an intimate relationship.
And Geralt hooks up with more women than her over the course of the game. Though I will admit that I don't know whether those scenes are avoidable or not.

They are. Triss is the only character in which Geralt is always in a relationship with. Every other possible encounter with another woman is optional and purely up to the player.

Even with Triss, the bath scene is optional. The only "forced scene" is a scene of Triss and Geralt at the beginning of the game waking up from a night's sleep. All that contained was a nude Triss and a kiss, I believe.

Okay then, I'll admit I was wrong, since it seems like you can avoid the scenes that don't add to the plot.

It's still not my cup of tea. I'd rather it be left up to my imagination.

[grumpymooselion]

I'd still not that Mass Effect, and, for some reason only Liara scene from Mass Effect 3, did this in a short tasteful manner that didn't overstay its welcome or become creepy. There's really nothing wrong with the methods used in that very specific and particular ME3 scene, and there's nothing wrong with any of the ME1 scenes - and none of them had underwear, while also showing nothing but still conveying the encounter tastefully.

[valkulon]

How about they just fade to black like in DA2 and call it a day?

[grumpymooselion]

Probably for the same reason the Witcher 2 didn't just fade to black, even though that's typically what happened in the first game. Probably for the same reason DA:O and the Mass Effect games didn't fade to black - and it's probably of note that DA2 is well known for being rushed out and incomplete, not having all its content. While they got cut, it's a fairly good bet they had actual scenes planned for several of those fade to black moments that never got implemented.

[Karlone123]

As Alistair once said,

“No. Bad idea. Awful. Don't do it”

Modifié par Karlone123, 26 mars 2013 - 05:58 .

[TheRaj]

Blackrising wrote...

vanom66 wrote...

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Why not nudity like in TW2.This is game for adults isn't it.If you are going to put romance and sex scenes in the game,show it like it's real or just skip it.

This , my god as if it never been done before . <_<

Ugh. *shudder*
I will never understood how people can take TW2 as an example of nudity done right.
God knows I'm not a prude, but all that game did was make me highly uncomfortable. In fact, the very first scene with Geralt and red-headed chick in bed was enough to put me off the game completly. It's still lying around, but I haven't touched it. I don't like completly pointless 'romance' scenes when they're forced on me.

It's not just TW2, though. I refuse to watch Game of Thrones for much the same reasons.

So yeah, I think Bioware should stick to what they're doing now.

Personally I thought in Game of Thrones the nudity wasn't that gratuitous. Sure, there was a lot of sex with prostitutes around but that's just how certain characters would spend their time (Theon Greyjoy and The Imp), and it defined their character. And Littlefinger was running a brothel after all...

The line for me is when nudity is 'pornographic' and doesn't serve the plot, although I do admit there were times when Game of Thrones was walking a bit of a fine line.

I have no big objection to nudity when it has a purpose. But when you don't need it, don't use it.

Now I would say that if the objective of a game is to actually be pornographic, thats okay too in principle. But I don't really want that in DA3. Also I don't think the graphics/character models are up to a level to make it 'good porn' anyway.

I do see the point about people flashing too much underwear too often in Dragon Age - the point someone made about good use of camera angles instead was a good one.

[bmwcrazy]

Don't care.

I play them on PC and I get nudie mods for them.

[rapscallioness]

Plaintiff wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

ME3 did a good job, too. It was undies, but it was an improvement overall from even ME1.

DA2, Anders didn't even take off his coat. The same coat he's been fighting in for 3 years. Ack.

You don't see any actual sex occur in DA2, so why on earth would you assume that Anders keeps his coat on during it? Just because he didn't take it off immediatly after kissing Hawke?

He coulda taken it off before he laid all on top of Hawke on the bed.

But srsly, don't take it too srsly.I wasn't. Geez.

[samgrave]

"Fade to black" is the worst possible option. In part because it is a cop out. In part because it leaves plot hole (did something happen or didn't it?) Also, sometimes vital info about th charachters is lost out when "fade to black" For instance, in ME 2, we saw a tear rolling down Jack's cheek during the love-making sequence. Then we learned that Jack actually does have feelings and does NOT have a heart of stone.

"Underwears on" I dislike instensly because it it is so darned counter-productive. It isn't "suggestive" in the slightest, it is just ridiculous and unnatural (unless the charachters are actually "dry humping").

Of course, the best thing would be if they went "Witcher-style" and ignored all the brouhaha and prudity as it would look the most natural, but I suppose that isn't an offer that's on the table. So in lieu of this, we have to fins viable ways around it. As I see it, we can then either resort to pixelling or "creative camera-angles". I would favour the latter but Iso see the problem in non-cutscene sequences (should we be able to stripp our charachters bare off clothes) where i can pan the camera at will.

[Avalon The Elf]

Or they could focus on important things like the story being good and the gameplay being good other then finding ways to get you off on a video game

[samgrave]

Avalon The Elf wrote...

Or they could focus on important things like the story being good and the gameplay being good other then finding ways to get you off on a video game

Why does one have rule out the other? Besides, we do have to do for one approach in the end anyways.

[Teddie Sage]

You could also use alternatives, like steam or plants... blankets, etc.

[dirtdiver32318]

DinoSteve wrote...

yep slaughtering 1000's of people in games is ok but nudity s not, what a world we live in.

as funny as this is it's sadly true hahaha

[Ridwan]

Why the hell does it matter? Play the game, enjoy the story, kill monsters and loot items. Is it really that important to see them "naked"?

[stormhit]

samgrave wrote...

"Fade to black" is the worst possible option. In part because it is a cop out. In part because it leaves plot hole (did something happen or didn't it?) Also, sometimes vital info about th charachters is lost out when "fade to black" For instance, in ME 2, we saw a tear rolling down Jack's cheek during the love-making sequence. Then we learned that Jack actually does have feelings and does NOT have a heart of stone.

That ME2 scene was a fade to black, it faded without showing anything graphically intimate. I really don't think it's a cop out to think that laughable puppet sex is laughable no matter how much is shown.

[Teddie Sage]

M25105 wrote...

Why the hell does it matter? Play the game, enjoy the story, kill monsters and loot items. Is it really that important to see them "naked"?

Adding to realistic elements wouldn't kill us, I think.

[Plaintiff]

Teddie Sage wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Why the hell does it matter? Play the game, enjoy the story, kill monsters and loot items. Is it really that important to see them "naked"?

Adding to realistic elements wouldn't kill us, I think.

Clothing is a realistic element.

[Teddie Sage]

Plaintiff wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Why the hell does it matter? Play the game, enjoy the story, kill monsters and loot items. Is it really that important to see them "naked"?

Adding to realistic elements wouldn't kill us, I think.

Clothing is a realistic element.

That element though is overused in all the romances. Some alternatives would be good for a change.

[Ridwan]

Teddie Sage wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Why the hell does it matter? Play the game, enjoy the story, kill monsters and loot items. Is it really that important to see them "naked"?

Adding to realistic elements wouldn't kill us, I think.

The game doesn't need it.

[imbs]

M25105 wrote...

Why the hell does it matter? Play the game, enjoy the story, kill monsters and loot items. Is it really that important to see them "naked"?

I think u are on the wrong board m8. Romance and the sex cutscene that goes along with it are far more important things than the actual game round these parts.