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[SgtElias]

Plaintiff wrote...

Not being into women myself, I wouldn't know, so I'm forced to ask: is there some unwritten rule that says only
girlfriends are allowed to be beautiful and every other woman in the world is a lumpy bag of garbage with a fish head?

I don't know about other women, but I don't usually mind too much; though I should add there's a difference in delivery that's important. Hearing "that girl is really hot" as if I'm not there tends to annoy me at times, but being asked "what do you think of her?" like my husband does always pleases me, because I'm being included. We're oggling her together!

Plaintiff wrote...

SgtElias wrote...

OP, I'm not really sure what you're asking for, here. I thought the default if you weren't romancing a companion but were still playing through their content was friendship? Are you simply asking for deeper friendships?

As for ninja-mances, I've never had that happen, though my husband did while he was playing through ME1. Hilarious.

Christ, ME1. That angries up the blood.

Liara backed off when I said I wasn't interested, but Ashley needs to take a sexual harassment seminar. Thankfully, after Virmire, that was a non-issue.

"No" means "I'm going to leave you behind to get nuked if you don't keep your hands to yourself".

The first time I played, I'd only ever played one other Bioware game (DA:O), so I don't think I even talked to any of the companions that weren't Wrex, Garrus or Kaidan. But my husband was trying to romance Liara, and I kept guilting him into being nice to Kaidan, so he ended up almost getting Kaidan ninja-manced.

Eventually it sorted itself out, but it was hilarious because it was basically my fault.

Modifié par SgtElias, 25 mars 2013 - 01:42 .

[Dio Demon]

Plaintiff wrote...

SgtElias wrote...

OP, I'm not really sure what you're asking for, here. I thought the default if you weren't romancing a companion but were still playing through their content was friendship? Are you simply asking for deeper friendships?

As for ninja-mances, I've never had that happen, though my husband did while he was playing through ME1. Hilarious.

Christ, ME1. That angries up the blood.

Liara backed off when I said I wasn't interested, but Ashley needs to take a sexual harassment seminar. Thankfully, after Virmire, that was a non-issue.

"No" means "I'm going to leave you behind to get nuked if you don't keep your hands to yourself".

Plaintiff remind me not to get on your badside. 

Ninja-mancing is a real thing. It happened to me twice, the first one essentially attempted to lock arms with me and follow me around like a lost puppy, acting as if we were in a relationship (I hate people touching me) and the second one was exactly like the first one except this one didn't try to lock arms with me.

[hazarkazra]

I feel you about the Jack thing, I remember that one line "I bet you won't be coming around that often anymore" and it was sad that this was true, because if I came back I would lock into a relationship. It felt like after a certain point the character arc of a character came to an abrupt stop and you came across the sign: "ONLY ROMANCE BEYOND THIS POINT". You have to admit though that in DA this was always handled somewhat more elegantly, so I am less worried about it. I do feel like it would be nice to add some 'friendship' scenes?

In that aspect I like the Persona 4 approach which has a certain point where the game is giving you a small meta-hint: You are about to become intimate with this person, do you want to continue? And in that game the relationship would reach a satisfying conclusion regardless.

[Nefla]

I do wish there were more friendship scenes, I loved Morrigan's friendship dialogue with a female warden (sisters!) and I think I remember the male friendship being cool too. Mass Effect was sadly lacking in the friendship specific dialogue though as for rejecting companions, I don't mind it but I want to be able to be nice about it and not scream "I don't want you thinking if me that way!" > at them.

[SongstressKitsune]

I would love gentler letdowns; however, I've never had a problem with ninjamancing. All the romance dialouge seemed pretty obvious to me.

Okay, I accidentally slept with Traynor in ME3, but that was because I clicked away from the game for a second, clicked back, and in the process accidentally hit the "lesbian shower sex" dialouge option. This was only a problem because I wanted to romance Kaidan; I reloaded and did the date with him before any other squadmate interactions and all was well c:

[Wulfram]

ME2 romance options could be a bit light on non-romance stuff, but I don't think that's been too much of an issue with Dragon Age.

[LucidlyInsane]

Wulfram wrote...

ME2 romance options could be a bit light on non-romance stuff, but I don't think that's been too much of an issue with Dragon Age.

Broadly true, I'd say. One of the best parts of DA:O was my Warden's slightly giggly best-friends dynamic with Leliana. It's a part of the game which I find rather lovely, especially if you play a fem!Warden. Things were a little lighter on the friendship side in DA2, but I felt that there was less companion interaction in general, so that makes sense.

@OP: Sorry, I'm not quite sure how to read this - are you asking for more developed friendship-only paths (which I thoroughly approve of), or are you simply asking for a way to turn them down gently? The latter is also a good idea; I tend to play "nice guys" and some non-harsh options would be very nice. I like the idea of forming strong platonic friendships in RPGs, though I'm not entirely sure how far the mechanic could be stretched.

[Tinxa]

SongstressKitsune wrote...

I would love gentler letdowns; however, I've never had a problem with ninjamancing. All the romance dialouge seemed pretty obvious to me.

Okay, I accidentally slept with Traynor in ME3, but that was because I clicked away from the game for a second, clicked back, and in the process accidentally hit the "lesbian shower sex" dialouge option. This was only a problem because I wanted to romance Kaidan; I reloaded and did the date with him before any other squadmate interactions and all was well c:

I've never had problems with unwanted romances either and I'm always nice and friendly with everyone.

I just avoid the really obvious options and always choose another nice one (in my opinion people that accepted Zevran's massage have only themselves to blame). I was friends with Leliana and romance dialogue never even came up. I almost can't believe others are having this many problems with different characters.

Traynor dialogue was excellent imo. My character offered she can use the shower like a woman would for another woman  and then just sat obliviously on the sofa  

[SongstressKitsune]

Ah, I do think it's a remarkably well-written scene and I love Traynor as a character; like I said, my "accidental romance" with her was entirely my fault in an "I clicked the option I didn't mean to click; d'oh" kind of way. (Teach me to alt-tab over to instant messengers during cutscenes, eh.)

[Ryzaki]

BeatoSama wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

If you "accidently" got into a relationship with Zevran, Liara or Jack, then you clearly weren't paying attention to what you were saying to them.

Are you a compulsive paragon by any chance?

Accidently getting into the Liara romance isn't that strange actually as she has a bugged (or even several, can't remember) dialogue option. If you choose a certain rejection dialogue (renegade I think)  you enter a romance anyway.

Yeah the renegade no  is bugged.

Needless to say my first renedouche had an...unpleasant surprise.

[Mary Kirby]

Lines that lead to romance in DA2 and Inquisition are marked with different icons. Don't click the hearts, and you will avoid accidental romances.

[Valcutio]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Lines that lead to romance in DA2 and Inquisition are marked with different icons. Don't click the hearts, and you will avoid accidental romances.

More hearts? Meh.

At the very least, once we shoot somebody down will that be the end of it? Or do I have to cringe at all the lame pick up line options throughout all the conversations with a character?

[frankf43]

You have a just friends option in DA2 it's the shattered heart option on the speach wheel. The speach could be more tactfully put, but it is there and doesn't cause any irrevocable damage to the friendship.

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[9TailsFox]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Lines that lead to romance in DA2 and Inquisition are marked with different icons. Don't click the hearts, and you will avoid accidental romances.

People wanted DA3 news you have<3:devil:

[-TC1989-]

Wolfva2 wrote...

I try to be a nice guy in games.  It's easier there.  Anyways, imagine my surprise when I'm just chatting with Zhevran and suddenly...BAM!  He thinks we're in a relationship.  Huh?  When did THAT happen?!?glad we're JUST FRIENDS!"

I thought the Zevran situation was done rather well. I think I remember my Warden saying something along the lines of "I'm flattered you like me, but I'm not into men" or something like that. I told him the truth while being cool about it. I get the fact too that he disapproved of it, so the small hit was understandable.

The Anders thing though was kind of ridiculous. First of all the small chunk of rivalry points was alittle weird, besides the whole flirty attitude was more forced. Whatever though, I couldn't stand him anyway, so the points actually helped me personally.

[Korusus]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Lines that lead to romance in DA2 and Inquisition are marked with different icons. Don't click the hearts, and you will avoid accidental romances.

Not a fan of the heart icon, it's just more handholding and reduces the dialogue to something that's very utilitarian rather than poetic.

EDITED:  For less snarkiness.  I'm trying BioWare...I'm trying. 

Modifié par Korusus, 25 mars 2013 - 08:56 .

[Hazegurl]

Jadebaby wrote...

If you "accidently" got into a relationship with Zevran, Liara or Jack, then you clearly weren't paying attention to what you were saying to them.

I say you are wrong on the Liara one. I clearly picked a no romance option for her and she said she understood blah blah. I thought that was it but I was flagged for a romance with her. All I did was ask her questions, did NOT flirt, as I clearly had zero interest in her. Before I knew it my Shep had an almost kiss with her then later she showed up in shep's cabin talking about her stupid virginity, to which I turned her down and sent her away. Yet her picture showed up on my Shep's desk at the start of ME2 on the import. So yeah Liara is a known ninjamancer.

However, dragon age already has "just friends" options. If you turn down Fenris he is cool and asks to be friends. Anders on the other hand is obsessed with Hawke. As he will tell Hawke if you do try to romance him. I think that whether or not you romance him means nothing as I believe that he will always be in love with Hawke, period. So Turning him down will get you some rivalry points cause you're crushing his stalker dreams.

[Spedfrom]

OP, the same thing happened to me with Ashley and Jack because I was just trying to get to know them better.

With Ashley I was all of a sudden being hit on and I kept choosing lines that felt would lead to a firm NO. She just kept trying to set a date for sex or whatever, I don't know. I resorted to telling her to be professional in order to keep her at bay. When it came to choosing who went where in Virmire, it was time to say goodbye to Ashley.

With Jack I was honestly choosing lines that felt like I would help her to calm down and see that noone in the group was trying to harm her. Until she was all of a sudden flirting with me and thinking that I was flirting with her and eventually I simply had to choose a line that seemed to be a NO. Which made her only have two words left for me for the second half of the game: "f*ck off!!" It was a lovely time as you can imagine.

I'm gay myself and most of the time I roleplay gay characters (let's see who I end up with in ME3, the choices seem interesting ), so I wasn't about to flirt and have sex with those two women. No, not even for the trophies/achievements. But the bottom line, however unintentional it might have been, was that if you're playing this game and you want to get to know these women better, then you must be a straight dude and you must want to have sex with them.
One could always interpret the situation as someone being attracted to another person and simply hitting on them, but seeing as same sex relationships weren't coded nor planned for the first two ME games, it's not really valid.

[-TC1989-]

Jadebaby wrote...

If you "accidently" got into a relationship with Zevran, Liara or Jack, then you clearly weren't paying attention to what you were saying to them.

Are you a compulsive paragon by any chance?

I couldn't disagree more about Liara. The ME series was basically pushing you to be with her. I'm playing ME1 right now, and they automatically tie you into a relationship if you talk to her too much? I wanted to romance Ashley, but be friends with Liara, but if I talk to her too much it cancels out Ash, really? 100 hours of gameplay, and I constantly tried to tell her we were just friends, but the window never seemed to freakin close.

Modifié par -TC1989-, 25 mars 2013 - 09:02 .

[Spedfrom]

-TC1989- wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

If you "accidently" got into a relationship with Zevran, Liara or Jack, then you clearly weren't paying attention to what you were saying to them.

Are you a compulsive paragon by any chance?

I couldn't disagree more about Liara. The ME series was basically pushing you to be with her. I'm playing ME1 right now, and they automatically tie you into a relationship if you talk to her too much? I wanted to romance Ashley, but be friends with Liara, but if I talk to her too much it cancels out Ash, really? 100 hours of gameplay, and I constantly tried to tell her we were just friends, but the window never seemed to freakin close.

Most female characters in the first two Me games have the "Overly attached girlfriend" syndrome! It's the only explanation.