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[Getorex]

chemiclord wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

I say its flawed that fact that Liara is the most popular squadmate from the figures on the infograph plus a few others speaks for itself.

I'd like to see an infograph on the entire trilogy myself for more accurate figures.

You are assuming that the BSN represents an accurate sample size of the whole player base.  I've suspected for some time that it doesn't, and these numbers only confirm that suspicion.

BSN represents a HUGE minority of the actual game players.  MOST players do not join BSN and take part in the forums.  MOST players just buy the game and play it.  Full stop.  The BSN is self-selecting for particularly rabid fans and their opinions are likely to differ (and the stats clearly show it as you say) substantially from the much larger game playing public. 

[Getorex]

AlanC9 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Well, when I did the run for the beam I did choose a couple squadmates that I wouldn't mind having end up dead if I had somehow not managed to get enough EMS built up.  I was pretty high and probably safe but just in case...so I took Vega and Javik.  Both survived though a bug made Javik invisible.  Looked funny having Shepard and then Vega carry an invisible person out of the battle zone...

Never seen that bug. .

But it sounds like you already  knew enough about the endgame to know that death from low EMS was a possibility.

I was using Texmod to load improved textures AND I was using MEHEM which alters the ending substantially - but I do not know if it in any way affects the run through the beam such that it would prevent low EMS death.  So, just in case I played it safe by using a couple throw-away characters.  They both survived.  The invisible Javik may have been a texture bug because one of the textures was an improved and higher-resolution Javik armor.

[AlanC9]

chemiclord wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ME2 was about 50% new players, FWIW.

A purely educated guess, but I suspect the number of new players for ME3 would be in that same ballpark.

Which raises the question of what percentage of ME3 players had Sheps from ME1. Presumably more than 25%, since ME2 importers would be more likely to go on to the next game.

[vonfantasy]

AlanC9 wrote...

vonfantasy wrote...

But we don't know their methods, and I've not seen an adequate demarcation (except the ME3 logotype) to the question "Who are the most popular squad memebers?", I've not even seen an explanation of the question (e.g. do they mean popular by most usage on missions or popular as in what the games think personally), so it's impossible for us know how they got these results and until we do I would consider this infograph inadequate.

Looking at those numbers I'll bet it's just the raw percentages of how many missions the squadmate went on. Tali's "unpopular" because she joins late, Kaidan's "unpopular" because he's dead for most players.

Yes that would be my educated guess to. But I think the statement of "most popular" is a bit misleading then.

Made a longer post here:
http://social.biowar...2714/6#16390297

[Barquiel]

The "most popular squadmate" statistic isn't that surprising. The Mass Effect universe survey (with over 17,000 participants) was the the most comprehensive and largest sample size we had before Bioware released the PAX statistics.

http://www.masseffec...k/#.UVLvtDfdjYQ

....and the result was very similar. Liara and Garrus were by far the most used/popular squadmates.

[wright1978]

chemiclord wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

Glad you agree I know players who arent on BSN who have diffent opinions and they dont go on Origin or XBL or the PSN. That proves its inaccurate.

Depends on how you define "inaccurate."  The percentages are only based on the numbers they've gathered, which can certainly add up to 100%.  It doesn't mean 100% of the player base, merely 100% of the data they have.

Which is STILL a much larger sample size than any poll on the BSN, and thus MORE accurate of the player base as a whole.

Statistics while interesting reading always need to be treated with caution. Even if they are correct there's no overlay with profitability, which is where audience segmentation could be telling.

[Lars10178]

I never used femshep.

[milkytoast]

I think the game advertising had a lot to do with the low femShepard numbers. I considered playing femShep for my first play though but it just didn't feel right in the beginning, hell I even went with the generic male Shepard face. I wish they had how many used the generic faces on the graphic.  I used to play female characters in video games, even as recent as Skyrim.  For some reason Mass Effect and Dragon age 2, playing a female character did not seem right to me. 

It does bother me that 37% choose to kill Tali for the Geth, I feel bad for the Geth but not enough to side with them after 99% of them sided with the reapers.  I still like that I was able to get the Mega happy Geth/Quarrian ending on my first playthough without trying.

Modifié par milkytoast, 27 mars 2013 - 03:50 .

[vonfantasy]

Barquiel wrote...

The "most popular squadmate" statistic isn't that surprising. The Mass Effect universe survey (with over 17,000 participants) was the the most comprehensive and largest sample size we had before Bioware released the PAX statistics.

http://www.masseffec...k/#.UVLvtDfdjYQ

....and the result was very similar. Liara and Garrus were by far the most used/popular squadmates.

Interesting. Haven't read through it yet, but did they take external elements in consideration (like getting Tali late in the game, how many times a character can die in the game/ME1/ME2 etc.?)

I don't think Liara can die at all, is that correct, maybe once in the entire series? (i haven't dared play the ending of ME3, maybe she can die there).

Modifié par vonfantasy, 27 mars 2013 - 04:22 .

[avenging_teabag]

Curing the genophage is madness, Wrex or no Wrex. It is, like someone's pointed rightly, "pandering to a delusion": Krogan are a galactic menace, always have been, and they have the record to prove it. Thinking that their very nature will change based on the words of two people means living in lala-land. Especially considering that Wrex's power was built on the genophage - he's given fertile female a safe heaven to breed, and controlled other clans through that. Once the genophage is dealt with, other clan's leaders will have no reason at all to listen to him any longer. What happens to Wrex then? Who was the last Krogan warlord to die of natural causes?

The safest course of action would be (assuming the reapers are no more) to leave things as is, try hard to bring the Krogan into the galactic community, support progressists like Wrex and Eve, and wait for their natural resilience to start correcting the genophage once again. The biggest mistake that the Council made was not implementing the genophage, it was sitting on their ****es doing nothing all the centuries after, allowing the Krogan to fester in their own bile.

That was my Shepard's reasoning when he made a deal with the Dalatrass - and I loved that this decision was presented as a hard one. The right thing is usually hard to do.

[AlanC9]

milkytoast wrote...

It does bother me that 37% choose to kill Tali for the Geth, I feel bad for the Geth but not enough to side with them after 99% of them sided with the reapers.  I still like that I was able to get the Mega happy Geth/Quarrian ending on my first playthough without trying.

As someone upthread pointed out, the quarians don't come across too well if you're starting with ME3.

[milkytoast]

avenging_teabag wrote...

Curing the genophage is madness, Wrex or no Wrex. It is, like someone's pointed rightly, "pandering to a delusion": Krogan are a galactic menace, always have been, and they have the record to prove it. Thinking that their very nature will change based on the words of two people means living in lala-land. Especially considering that Wrex's power was built on the genophage - he's given fertile female a safe heaven to breed, and controlled other clans through that. Once the genophage is dealt with, other clan's leaders will have no reason at all to listen to him any longer. What happens to Wrex then? Who was the last Krogan warlord to die of natural causes?

The safest course of action would be (assuming the reapers are no more) to leave things as is, try hard to bring the Krogan into the galactic community, support progressists like Wrex and Eve, and wait for their natural resilience to start correcting the genophage once again. The biggest mistake that the Council made was not implementing the genophage, it was sitting on their ****es doing nothing all the centuries after, allowing the Krogan to fester in their own bile.

That was my Shepard's reasoning when he made a deal with the Dalatrass - and I loved that this decision was presented as a hard one. The right thing is usually hard to do.

I think the point of the story line was to alleviate the suffering, of a people.  Having still born babies was taking it's toll on the population to the point the women were willing to go through horrific experimentation to stop it.  Mordin's calculations, required a stronger female leadership among the krogan to help offset the natural aggression of the Krogan.  That is why Mordin can live is she doesn't survive, because she was vital to the future of a peaceful Krogan Alliance.  And he will shout at you that "I was wrong." I totaly can see your point, however I just couldn't choose it for Wrex and his people.

AlanC9 wrote...

milkytoast wrote...

It does bother me that 37% choose to kill Tali for the Geth, I feel bad for the Geth but not enough to side with them after 99% of them sided with the reapers.  I still like that I was able to get the Mega happy Geth/Quarrian ending on my first playthough without trying.

As someone upthread pointed out, the quarians don't come across too well if you're starting with ME3.

That is a good oint and probibly why when you add the 64% of the people who didn't meet Wrex and the 37% Only Geth you come out with 101%, or maybe it is just my appophina kicking in.  I wonder what the numbers would have been if both Quarrian and Geth were organics life forms.

[vonfantasy]

milkytoast wrote...

avenging_teabag wrote...
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AlanC9 wrote...

milkytoast wrote...

It does bother me that 37% choose to kill Tali for the Geth, I feel bad for the Geth but not enough to side with them after 99% of them sided with the reapers.  I still like that I was able to get the Mega happy Geth/Quarrian ending on my first playthough without trying.

As someone upthread pointed out, the quarians don't come across too well if you're starting with ME3.

That is a good oint and probibly why when you add the 64% of the people who didn't meet Wrex and the 37% Only Geth you come out with 101%, or maybe it is just my appophina kicking in.  I wonder what the numbers would have been if both Quarrian and Geth were organics life forms.

I pointed that out in my post (http://social.biowar...2714/6#16390297).
For those who just played ME3 the quarians seems like a bunch of stupid aggressors while the geth almost seems innocent (my brother only played ME3 and wonder what the hell the quarians were doing).

[milkytoast]

Sorry, I missed that post Vonfantasy. I agree that there was a lot of data for the statistics that probably was not accounted. If the data is not a straight save game dump from an end game career save file that the info graphic data is just as accurate as if they just made it up. Just because I do not trust eye witness testimony. So I am now staring to consider the info graphic is almost like an advertisement. Where 1 out of 5 dentists prefer the Plaque Buster premium tooth brush, with mass effect field technology to eradicate plaque on contact.

[Shadow Shep]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Its videogames, its like the internet where women are rare and men act like children...

The days when supermodels are impressed with pc specs and completing dark souls is the day videogames make it, and not frowned upon by the stick thin lettuce eating hotties.

'Dat Ornstein and Smough...never again.  Never again.  

[Ieldra]

Barquiel wrote...
The "most popular squadmate" statistic isn't that surprising. The Mass Effect universe survey (with over 17,000 participants) was the the most comprehensive and largest sample size we had before Bioware released the PAX statistics.

http://www.masseffec...k/#.UVLvtDfdjYQ

....and the result was very similar. Liara and Garrus were by far the most used/popular squadmates.

The problem with that survey is that it's still heavily biased in favor of fans, hardcore players or whatever you want to call the non-casual players. The import statistic is telling. I don't believe 98% of all players imported a saved game.

[TheProtheans]

Completing Dark souls is an accomplishment?

In reality the company just used dirty tricks from the past to make the game more frustrating.
Although it could have been worse, it could send you back to the start of the level.

I recognized it will be extremely frustrating because of past experience from games long since pasted and how it works.
It will be challenging none the less, as such I decided I will not finish Darksouls until I finished numerous Singleplayer and RPG games.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 28 mars 2013 - 01:37 .

[Priisus]

chemiclord wrote...

39.8% of players got the Long Service Medal, so I'm guessing the % of imported players is somewhere in that ballpark.

ME2 players get the achievement too, so they don't necessarily start from ME1. Taking that into account, I wonder how many of that 39.8% actually starts from ME1? But then the 36% who has Wrex definitely starts from ME1 don't they (or can Wrex be alive if one uses Genesis)?

AlanC9 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I always thought that all characters die if you have a low enough EMS that your two squaddies die during the beam run. At least you don't get a memorial scene...implying everyone on the Normandy is dead. The other characters just die off-screen, I suppose. I think it's some gameplay statistic, that's the only explanation imo.

So explain Kaidan's low rate. He's less fragile than Liara but dies more? 

Well I think the numbers do account for the low number of players who even HAVE him in the first place. And then they may only used him in Mars (a "tutorial" level - my friend's first ME is ME3 and he can't even play Mars right ) and then they might not even get him back. I think Kaidan is up there after McBeef and the Krogans in term of survivability (I can only recall him dead in two instances in my pt - Rannoch's three Geth Primes and the last push on Earth with Banshees everywhere) and I used him all the time with my Soldier on Hardcore O_O. Reave+Barrier are quite the combo (my Sentinel is equipped with TA and Reave and the only times I died while not being careless on Insanity is against Marauders Shields ). Used him and Miranda in the Glitch level at Armax Arena, he didn't die...

Liara and Tali on the other hand... Everytime I turned around, they are on the floor. But then again I only used Liara with my Sentinel on Insanity, she has the lowest HP of all squadmates right?

AlanC9 wrote...

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

Wait a second...Liara can only die if you have low EMS and take her on the final run for the beam. If her survival rate is 54%, does that mean 46% of all players did both (i.e. take Liara and have low EMS)? That seems bizarre.

I agree it's bizarre. But other explanations for those numbers are even more bizarre. 

I think all our reasonigns will not make any more progress unless the devs actually explain how they come up with the numbers 

EDIT: Oh and I forgot, what about the players who turned off the options to upload feedback/gameplay thing to EA servers? That means their data isn't counted too... 

Modifié par Priisus, 28 mars 2013 - 02:00 .

[Barquiel]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
The "most popular squadmate" statistic isn't that surprising. The Mass Effect universe survey (with over 17,000 participants) was the the most comprehensive and largest sample size we had before Bioware released the PAX statistics.

http://www.masseffec...k/#.UVLvtDfdjYQ

....and the result was very similar. Liara and Garrus were by far the most used/popular squadmates.

The problem with that survey is that it's still heavily biased in favor of fans, hardcore players or whatever you want to call the non-casual players. The import statistic is telling. I don't believe 98% of all players imported a saved game.

You're right of course. As I have said, the squadmate statistic is very similar...which isn't really surprising considering Liara and Garrus have a lot of content, join early in the game and are two of the most powerful squadmates. It's not hard to believe that "casual gamers" use them as well.

Other statistics are obviously less accurate (the import statistic, FemShep, the classes etc.)

[AlanC9]

Priisus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So explain Kaidan's low rate. He's less fragile than Liara but dies more? 

Well I think the numbers do account for the low number of players who even HAVE him in the first place. And then they may only used him in Mars (a "tutorial" level - my friend's first ME is ME3 and he can't even play Mars right ) and then they might not even get him back. I think Kaidan is up there after McBeef and the Krogans in term of survivability.

That was my take on it. But then the Liara and EDI numbers look weird. Not impossible , but weird.

EDIT: Oh and I forgot, what about the players who turned off the options to upload feedback/gameplay thing to EA servers? That means their data isn't counted too... 

True, but I'm not sure it's very significant. Would people who opt out of data collection have different gameplay styles than people who don't? Maybe. Since we don't get their data we'll never know.

[Julia4891]

"18 per cent in the 2nd game, and 18 per cent in the 3rd" played FemShep.

A minority, but as you can see a FAITHFUL minority of 18%.
I played both Fem and Male Shep, I love both Hale and Meer (she is my enthusiastic paragon, he is my hilarious renegade).
But FemShep made me buy all 3 games and ALL the DLCs.
And let's do the accounting: 18% of, let's say, 4,0000,000 copies = 720,0000 copies bought by people who love FemShep.
A minority, yes, but not a bad one, huh?
FemShep was worth it.

[robertthebard]

avenging_teabag wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

I know a lot of people who when they started ME1 just clicked "quick start male" without even looking at all the options. I imagine lots of new players did that too, especially since 3 was marketed to the meatheaded shooter fan boys.

Your derision of an entire player base which clearly, unambigiously and consistently favors male hero is noted and ignored.

Actually scratch that, not ignored. I'm gonna say that: it's mostly people like you who turned me off playing femShep for good. Imagine that: I bought the 1st game, rolled a female character (as I always do, since I'm female), started playing... but something didn't seat well with me. I don't even remember now what it was, exactly, I'm sure something insignificant, like her frightening eyelashes or the duck mouth. I don't know. I decided to try a guy, and whoa! it went much better.

So, without giving much more thought to it, I finished the game, and immediately went online to talk about how awesome my experience was. What greeted me, immediately, was the statement that, apparently, I played the game wrong, I was a "d-bag dudebro", soulless and without imagination, who just likes to pew-pew things and is too dumb to understand the soul-shattering revelations that led to a romp with Garrus. That was my first impression of the femShep cult, and that impression was only confirmed later on. Sure enough, there were many players that just prefer femshep, and good for them, but the attitude of her hardcore fan brigade was so repugnant, that I pretty much gave up on playing the character ever again.

Can you say that I have a bit of an issue with this? Yes, I suppose you can, but in almost 20 years of gaming, no fanbase has ever managed to put me off even considering playing a game as a character of my own gender. Well,
there is comfort in the fact that that cult isn't growing despite all the publicity they we caterwauling for. After all, the two games in the series worth a damn have the proper Shepard on their cover, and the franchise went to the dogs under the sh*tty femShep banner. Seems kinda fitting.

I don't understand what you're saying here; it's either, it's not ok for the community to deride everyone else's choice, or it's not ok for them to deride your choice, but you are free to do just that by telling us that your choice was the proper one.  I'd say, comparing the bolded to the underlined, that you have more than a bit of an issue.

[ComfortablyNumb]

I don't think they should include Liara, James and EDI in the "survival rate". They are virtually impossible to kill. I think low EMS death during beam run and results of choosing Destroy option shouldn't count. Not when everybody else may die during the course of all three games (and in some cases, on multiple occasions).

Modifié par mrufka_z, 11 avril 2013 - 04:41 .