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[Rafficus III]

Liara was forced into a relationship with Feron; Tali to Garrus; so it's only expected Bioware force her into a relationship with a prominent character. Tacky and understandable? Yes. Nail in the coffin? No. Ash was a great character because she grew in the direction of your choices. If you're a racist jerk, she'll become more of a cut-throat nationalist for the Alliance. If you're a paragon, she'll want to protect the Council and other alien species. She is the reflection of you. Also, I find the fact she upheld a spiritual identity, while not coming across as a biased extension of the writer's thoughts on religion during ME1, to be worthy of praise. It was sad to see her character devolve into a heavy drinker and bit by bit omit her poetic nature. Shame. Either way, I'll miss Ash and it is in my headcanon she found her way to her "Hero-Man" stranded in the rubble.

[Steelcan]

hornedfrog87 wrote...

Liara was forced into a relationship with Feron; Tali to Garrus; so it's only expected Bioware force her into a relationship with a prominent character. Tacky and understandable? Yes. Nail in the coffin? No. Ash was a great character because she grew in the direction of your choices. If you're a racist jerk, she'll become more of a cut-throat nationalist for the Alliance. If you're a paragon, she'll want to protect the Council and other alien species. She is the reflection of you. Also, .

. Of you are talking about ME1 that's not true.  It just depends on which squadmate you have with you.

[Bill Casey]

Steelcan wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

JasonShepard wrote...

Ash was perfect for Cerberus. She was a terrible racist and anti-alien.

Ashley Williams hated Cerberus and Terra Firma in ME1...

. But she was still firmly in line with their ideology 

She's more in line with the Systems Alliance, which is pro human in the same way the US military is pro american...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 25 mars 2013 - 11:18 .

[Steelcan]

Bill Casey wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

JasonShepard wrote...

Ash was perfect for Cerberus. She was a terrible racist and anti-alien.

Ashley Williams hated Cerberus and Terra Firma in ME1...

. But she was still firmly in line with their ideology 

She's more in line with the Systems Alliance...

. Not really.  She's much more xenophobic than almost every other Alliance member we meet, the only exception being Mikaelovic.  She's more anti-alien than most Cerberus personnel come to think of it.

[Bill Casey]

I disagree...
Shepard just rounded up a bunch of aliens at a bus stop and had them roam free on a classified military vessel...
Ashley was right about the Council looking out for its own interests first, she was right not to trust Cerberus, and she was right that Shepard could be a fake, because there was a clone shepard...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 25 mars 2013 - 11:27 .

[Rafficus III]

Steelcan wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

Liara was forced into a relationship with Feron; Tali to Garrus; so it's only expected Bioware force her into a relationship with a prominent character. Tacky and understandable? Yes. Nail in the coffin? No. Ash was a great character because she grew in the direction of your choices. If you're a racist jerk, she'll become more of a cut-throat nationalist for the Alliance. If you're a paragon, she'll want to protect the Council and other alien species. She is the reflection of you. Also, .

. Of you are talking about ME1 that's not true.  It just depends on which squadmate you have with you.

I'll save you time in your life and my life. I've done 15+ playthroughs each game. I've seen her advocate the saving of the Council in the end, the preservation of the Rachnii Queen, and the friendly comments she makes to the squadmates once she got out of her Alliance bubble in ME1. Seen her call and treat Tali like a sister, and her refusal of joining Cerberus. I've heard all the arguments about why people thinks she's "racist." You can think what you want to, and I'll go off what I have seen and heard by her in-game. Feel free to argue with another about what's true or not, conversation done.

[Steelcan]

hornedfrog87 wrote...

I'll save you time in your life and my life. I've done 15+ playthroughs each game. I've seen her advocate the saving of the Council in the end, the preservation of the Rachnii Queen, and the friendly comments she makes to the squadmates once she got out of her Alliance bubble in ME1. 

. Once again, this is due to who you bring on the mission.  Bring Srex and Ashley and she will advocate saving the council.  Bring Ashley and Liara and guess what.  She favors leaving them to die.

[Iakus]

hornedfrog87 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

Liara was forced into a relationship with Feron; Tali to Garrus; so it's only expected Bioware force her into a relationship with a prominent character. Tacky and understandable? Yes. Nail in the coffin? No. Ash was a great character because she grew in the direction of your choices. If you're a racist jerk, she'll become more of a cut-throat nationalist for the Alliance. If you're a paragon, she'll want to protect the Council and other alien species. She is the reflection of you. Also, .

. Of you are talking about ME1 that's not true.  It just depends on which squadmate you have with you.

I'll save you time in your life and my life. I've done 15+ playthroughs each game. I've seen her advocate the saving of the Council in the end, the preservation of the Rachnii Queen, and the friendly comments she makes to the squadmates once she got out of her Alliance bubble in ME1. Seen her call and treat Tali like a sister, and her refusal of joining Cerberus. I've heard all the arguments about why people thinks she's "racist." You can think what you want to, and I'll go off what I have seen and heard by her in-game. Feel free to argue with another about what's true or not, conversation done.

This is sort of true.

If you are romancing her, and make certain dialogue chocies, you'll have the option to "paragon" her in ME1.  If you do so, she will become more trusting of others and  advocate saving the Council and such.

You can do the same and "Renegade" Kaidan if you romance him.

[VirtualSoldier27]

Bill Casey wrote...

JasonShepard wrote...

Ash was perfect for Cerberus. She was a terrible racist and anti-alien.

Ashley Williams hated Cerberus and Terra Firma in ME1...

not to mention Ash was very friendly and accepting of Tali in ME1,and she even goes has to say "She's like a little sister" in ME3

people who rush to call Ash racist are forgetting,that there were alot of Alliance officers and soldiers who still didnt trust Aliens,considering the first contact war,and the Skyllian Blitz,it wasnt like Humanity had a good reason to fully trust aliens yet,and in the same token,Aliens didnt have alot of reasons to trust Humans untill after the Citadel(if you save the council) and Shepard's heroics

Ash and Navigator Pressley's views of Aliens were probably moderate compared to alot of others in the Alliance

[JasonShepard]

Bill Casey wrote...

JasonShepard wrote...

Ash was perfect for Cerberus. She was a terrible racist and anti-alien.

Ashley Williams hated Cerberus and Terra Firma in ME1...

You do realise that wasn't my quote? It was Gulaman's? I feel badly misrepresented here :-)
I was actually arguing against Ash being racist, anti-alien or perfect for Cerberus - see here for my actual post...

EDIT:

Steelcan wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

I'll save you time in your life and my life. I've done 15+ playthroughs each game. I've seen her advocate the saving of the Council in the end, the preservation of the Rachnii Queen, and the friendly comments she makes to the squadmates once she got out of her Alliance bubble in ME1. 

. Once again, this is due to who you bring on the mission.  Bring Wrex and Ashley and she will advocate saving the council.  Bring Ashley and Liara and guess what.  She favors leaving them to die.

Wrong. You can get Ashley to be the one vouching for Council survival even over Liara if you passed a charm conversation with Ashley halfway through the game. The same charm check makes her more trusting of aliens and more aware of the fact that it was the Alliance  that blacklisted her family. The charm check is easily missed, however, and does not get imported.

Modifié par JasonShepard, 25 mars 2013 - 11:48 .

[pprrff]

Bill Casey wrote...

She's more in line with the Systems Alliance, which is pro human in the same way the US military is pro american...

Yea, that's pretty much it. I am fine with people not liking her politics, it would be pretty incredible for every single one of Shepard's team to all have the same paragon outlook of things. Beside, the human-turian war wasn't that long time ago i the setting, and for someone who has family member directly invovled, not having suspicion toward the former enemies is not believable.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

JasonPogo wrote...

So an unromanced Ash will spend the party being flirty and giggly with Vega...  Did anyone who worked on this game even play ME1?  I could buy that Ash would have a one night stand with Vega.  But the whole girly girl act is SO not her.  Everything Bioware did with her character is just an insult to her fans and women in genral.

 She deserves to have  fun ! 

Disagree completely  I like the  Girly act. and fact that she lighted  up . ME1 was the beginning of the   friendship/relationship   it has  EVOLVED!

I  enjoyed  her much more  in ME3.  The Fact  you t hink  Bio insulted  fans and  women is imo  completely insane.

She did  beat kaiden  in both of the main stats  even   if you want to  come up with all the "excuses"   why the stats are "wrong"

Better Armor
Better  hairstyle  
Better  makup.
Better Personality
Better Skill set

Alot  MORE FUN! 

Its sad   how many  people criticize because   she doesn't walk around in armor  like  samus   and  being the "perfect   traditional serious  solider" like in ME1 .   that was  great  for the start of the relationship.. but  now    that it  has  progressed    its good  to see  she has a lighter side and isn't so serious all the time 


Major Home Run with   Ash in Me3

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 26 mars 2013 - 12:27 .

[Bill Casey]

JasonShepard wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Gulaman wrote...

Ash was perfect for Cerberus. She was a terrible racist and anti-alien.

Ashley Williams hated Cerberus and Terra Firma in ME1...

You do realise that wasn't my quote? It was Gulaman's? I feel badly misrepresented here :-)
I was actually arguing against Ash being racist, anti-alien or perfect for Cerberus - see here for my actual post...

Sorry...
I was trying to do too many things at once...
Edited...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 25 mars 2013 - 11:59 .

[JasonShepard]

Bill Casey wrote...

SNIP

Sorry...
I was trying to do too many things at once...
Edited...

It's fine - I realised that it was a mistake (Just slightly embarassing to see it get caught in a minor quote pyramid...)

[Bill Casey]

Javik: In my cycle we used the rachni as living weapons. They were only animals then, without technology. Violent but useful. When they became a problem, we burned two-hundred worlds to stop them.
Ashley: That is how you deal with rachni.

Ashley: We let the last rachni queen live on the condition she disappear forever. We should've ended this when we had the chance. Now we don't know what we're walking into.

Ashley: I still have slime to clean off my armor. What a nightmare. Dark tunnels, toxic goo, and those damn cockroaches again?

Ashley: So the geth had a few new tricks up their metal sleeves... Maybe I should be more open-minded, but I'd rather scope down some tin can than a person. I'm right. Right? Fine... I'll shut up.

Ashley I'm shocked you picked those machines over the quarians.

Ashley: I know that wasn't an easy call, but I'm glad the quarians came out on top. I just can't see the geth as "real," you know? Plus, how would it look if we killed a living, breathing race to take up with a bunch of machines?

Ashley: Humanity one, blinky flashlights zero.


On second thought, maybe he was somewhat right...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 mars 2013 - 12:36 .

[enayasoul]

I have had both version. Ashley wanting to save the council and Ashley wanting the council to die! I was suprised Ashley would suggest the council's death. It's probably related to paragon or renegade points...

[goose2989]

DoomHK wrote...

She also had alcohol in her system. Perhaps Ashley is a flirty drunk?

Some people just cut loose when the have a few brewskies. Ashley appears to be one of those people. 

[Dendio1]

I like ash. Her romance should have gotten more attention, but it is what it is

[Conquerthecity]

 I haven't finished a Citadel DLC playthrough with Ash, but I did see the drinking contest and was disappointed. We already have a drunk Ash scene on the Normandy. What is she, an alcoholic now? Watching Kaidan cook and having a conversation with him was way better. It actually felt like he and Shep were in a relationship. The drinking with Ash? Not so much. 

[Wolfva2]

Let's see....ME1. Her entire squad is killed; she's the only survivor. She's positioned to the Normandy as an Orphan, not even a handpicked member of the crew. She's possibly suffering from survivor guilt, and exhibits low self esteem from her Grandfather being the 'Benedict Arnold' of his day. Her main goal is to prove her self.

ME2, she's now a top Alliance operative, she's getting the recognition she never thought she would. She sees her beloved commander back from the dead and in the company of terrorists whom they had been fighting against. She's confused, hurt, and busy with her own work.

ME3, Citadel. She's drunk at a party having fun. OH...MY...GOD! You mean a drunk woman might act DIFFERENTLY then she would sober?!? NO! It can not BE! Next you'll be claiming all those girls in the 'Girls Gone Wild' videos don't regularly flash their boobs at all hours of the day and night!

One of the things I like about Bioware games is the characters progress in ways you may not want them to. The reason I like that is because those characters are their own people; they're not just extensions of MY character. So even though I may dislike what a character has become, I glory in the added dimensions it brings to the game.

[Argolas]

Ashley hate or Liara hate? Which one is stronger?

Seriously, what's the problem? No one needs to fit into any cliché. Ash is a strong and confident woman and a badass soldier, that does not mean she can't be "girly" when she is off duty, especially when alcohol is involved.

Also, Ash is not xenophobic. If anything, she is anti-synthetic, but that's it. She supports neither Cerberus nor Terra Firma, and she serves the Alliance with her whole heart. She is politically cautious against aliens, but she considers them possible allies that should not be denied. She is also capable of deep (that does not mean intimate) relationships with Aliens, for example Tali.

[Xilizhra]

If anything, she is anti-synthetic, but that's it.

If so, that's still pretty damned bad.

[Argolas]

Xilizhra wrote...

If anything, she is anti-synthetic, but that's it.

If so, that's still pretty damned bad.

I can't fully disagree, but Ashley is not that radical as, for example Javik or Tali before ME3. The thing is that she does say some pretty insulting things about "flashlights". On the other hand, I have gratefully never been in any war, but I don't think marines saying insulting things about their enemies is always racism.

I don't know. I'm just saying that being anti-synthetic is something you can say about Ashley, while I disagree about xenophobic.