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[mtmercydave09]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Ashley hate or Liara hate? Which one is stronger?

Seriously, what's the problem? No one needs to fit into any cliché. Ash is a strong and confident woman and a badass soldier, that does not mean she can't be "girly" when she is off duty, especially when alcohol is involved.

Also, Ash is not xenophobic. If anything, she is anti-synthetic, but that's it. She supports neither Cerberus nor Terra Firma, and she serves the Alliance with her whole heart. She is politically cautious against aliens, but she considers them possible allies that should not be denied. She is also capable of deep (that does not mean intimate) relationships with Aliens, for example Tali.

If Ash didn't b**** constantly about not trusting me because of Cerberus while we were being shot at and while I was putting bullets in the skulls of Cerberus troopers in the beginning of the game I'd have been okay with her. But she just kept going and going and going to the point where she never made it past the coup.  

Otherwise I liked her character. Why? Why? did they do this to her?

I do plan one play and film to post with my femShep in Cerberus armor taking her out.

Exactly, and have to think those trust issues would have been worked out sooner had Bioware not decided to put her in the hospital for more than half the game.  You know, like just having a scene with her sitting down with Shepard after returning from Mars instead of the whole injury she had.  I guess that would have screwed up Bioware's plans for the Cerberus Coup mission though.

Can't even lock in a relationship with her until after the Presidium date and that's like 2/3 way done with the game.
Then once you do get her back she's a reclusive all the time.  
 
There were just so many problems with how they did Ash in ME3.  They cut out her scene asking Shep about what it felt like to die, even though she has a lack of scenes to begin with.

That and you can't take her dancing like in ME1.  Would have been perfect to take her to Purgatory at some point in the game.

I guess if people couldn't tell by now, I have quite a few gripes with what Bioware did to Ashley.  I mean didn't Bioware say before ME3 came out that people that stayed faithful to Ashley would get rewarded?  

All this bugs me more than the ending, because for me the ending isn't worth doing if the journey is screwed up.

Also if people want to be technical, the Citadel DLC was the final nail in the coffin on everyone's character, supposedly.  At least for Shep's story anyways.

My first playthrough I did the party too soon and didn't lock in the romance with Ash, and she flirted with James, I found them off alone and chose the option to have them cool it.  My Shep just woke up alone and Ash didn't sleep with James, just was down in the kitchen.

Sorry for the rant.

Modifié par mtmercydave09, 08 avril 2013 - 06:07 .

[RustySam]

Getorex wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I disagree...
Shepard just rounded up a bunch of aliens at a bus stop and had them roam free on a classified military vessel...
Ashley was right about the Council looking out for its own interests first, she was right not to trust Cerberus, and she was right that Shepard could be a fake, because there was a clone shepard...

Not really.  Since the SR1 was a JOINT human and turian project, it is beyond ridiculous to complain that, at the very least, a TURIAN is on the crew.  There's nothing to hide from the turians as they were there at the initial design meetings!  THAT is the point I wanted to bring up to the ****** officer clown in the one scene in ME1 where he wanted to inspect the "waste of resources" that was the Normandy with his complaints about aliens on board:  "Hey asswipe, SIR, this ship wouldn't exist if not for the TURIANS."

Liara had a key role and was needed too: she knew the protheans but, more importantly, her own mother was involved with the enemy target.  I liked Wrex and all but HE didn't really have a place on the crew as far as aliens go.  Still, I'm glad he was there as I like the character.

In a way it is possible to tell him how the turians were an integral part of the design. Atleast the paragon dialogue options hint that way. Can't remember the renegade options though.

[HolyAvenger]

Oh no, Single!Ash wants to get laid before the end of the world. Wattab*tch.



Standard sexist BS.

[mtmercydave09]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Oh no, Single!Ash wants to get laid before the end of the world. Wattab*tch.



Standard sexist BS.

Pretty much, can't really blame her for wanting to do that.  Shep doesn't seem to mind, he even mentions "hooking up" when talking with EDI at the Presidium, saying that people don't know whether they are going to die tomorrow so hooking up is about all they can do.

[Ecrulis]

While I wish they didnt seem to harp on her being drunk so much I really don't care about her hooking up with james I simply hate the way they treated the whole VS mistrust thing, I wanted to shoot both of them in the face on Mars; though I feel that they do a much better job with Kaidan in terms of making him seem like he legitimately feels bad about not trusting you.

[CDR David Shepard]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Oh no, Single!Ash wants to get laid before the end of the world. Wattab*tch.



Standard sexist BS.

I think it's just that they had opportunity to make it less of drunk sl*t scenario.

Ashley never talks to Vega while on the Normandy.

They apparently get drunk together...and the only thing you see about that is Ashley being passed out on the floor.

Then she gets drunk and sleeps with him during the Citadel DLC.

It's Bioware's execution of it that makes it bad in my opinion.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 08 avril 2013 - 04:24 .

[Ecrulis]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Oh no, Single!Ash wants to get laid before the end of the world. Wattab*tch.



Standard sexist BS.

I think it's just that they had opportunity to make it less of drunk sl*t scenario.

Ashley never talks to Vega while on the Normandy.

They apparently get drunk together...and the only thing you see about that is Ashley being passed out on the floor.

Then she gets drunk and sleeps with him during the Citadel DLC.

Yea, it was just hadled very poorly, I would have loved to see more interaction between them during the game and possibly building a relationship between them that culminates during the party as of now the only things we see of her in game are her getting drunk.

[conjmk]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Don't knock it, the Citadel DLC is probably the first time in a while where the Ashley content has actually been better than the Kaidan content. He makes us watch him cook, she makes us take shots, continually one-up each other and the re-enact a famous scene from A New Hope.

Kaidans cooking scene was actually one of my favorite scenes with him. It's the first time shepard does something normal with another character. It was real and alot better than taking shots.

[HolyAvenger]

She gets drunk twice over the course of the game (months).

F*ck, if that makes her an alcoholic, I don't even want to know what I was in my late teens/early 20s.

[HolyAvenger]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Oh no, Single!Ash wants to get laid before the end of the world. Wattab*tch.



Standard sexist BS.

I think it's just that they had opportunity to make it less of drunk sl*t scenario.

  

[mtmercydave09]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Oh no, Single!Ash wants to get laid before the end of the world. Wattab*tch.



Standard sexist BS.

I think it's just that they had opportunity to make it less of drunk sl*t scenario.

Ashley never talks to Vega while on the Normandy.

They apparently get drunk together...and the only thing you see about that is Ashley being passed out on the floor.

Then she gets drunk and sleeps with him during the Citadel DLC.

It's Bioware's execution of it that makes it bad in my opinion.

Agreed, Bioware did execute Ash's character in ME3 very poorly.  Ash I don't even think really talks to anyone on the Normandy, which sucks because it takes half of the game just to get her back on it in the first place.

Even if Ash is left unromanced, I would think she'd still want to go up to Shep's cabin to have a talk with him, because they would still have a lot of history.

I mean hell, Diana Allers and Traynor who have no history with Shep got to go up to the cabin, why shouldn't there be an option to invite Ash.

I just have a lot of gripes with how Bioware handled Ash.  

Modifié par mtmercydave09, 08 avril 2013 - 04:36 .

[Ecrulis]

HolyAvenger wrote...

She gets drunk twice over the course of the game (months).

F*ck, if that makes her an alcoholic, I don't even want to know what I was in my late teens/early 20s.

I think the problem is not much else is shown with her, not to mention they cut a rather touching and well done scene to replace it with her sprawled out on the floor drunk. I find that scene annoying and seeing what they cut just to give a scene that says "haha look how drunk she is" kind of makes me mad. That said I don't really think she is portrayed as an alcoholic but bioware could have done more to show us other aspects about her character. Show us her talking to garrus about running into shepard on Horizon, maybe show us her talking with EDI about what Shepard and the crew went through in ME2, just something other than "oh look she's drunk isn't that silly?!" At least that's my complaint.

[CDR David Shepard]

Ecrulis wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

She gets drunk twice over the course of the game (months).

F*ck, if that makes her an alcoholic, I don't even want to know what I was in my late teens/early 20s.

I think the problem is not much else is shown with her, not to mention they cut a rather touching and well done scene to replace it with her sprawled out on the floor drunk. I find that scene annoying and seeing what they cut just to give a scene that says "haha look how drunk she is" kind of makes me mad. That said I don't really think she is portrayed as an alcoholic but bioware could have done more to show us other aspects about her character. Show us her talking to garrus about running into shepard on Horizon, maybe show us her talking with EDI about what Shepard and the crew went through in ME2, just something other than "oh look she's drunk isn't that silly?!" At least that's my complaint.

I feel the same...and I don't consider her an alcoholic. I just hate the drunk scenes.

They had a great chance to show us her talking to Liara after Thessia...since she says she will.

They had so many opportunities for her to interact with the crew instead of the floor.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 08 avril 2013 - 04:42 .

[HolyAvenger]

Ecrulis wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

She gets drunk twice over the course of the game (months).

F*ck, if that makes her an alcoholic, I don't even want to know what I was in my late teens/early 20s.

I think the problem is not much else is shown with her, not to mention they cut a rather touching and well done scene to replace it with her sprawled out on the floor drunk. I find that scene annoying and seeing what they cut just to give a scene that says "haha look how drunk she is" kind of makes me mad. That said I don't really think she is portrayed as an alcoholic but bioware could have done more to show us other aspects about her character. Show us her talking to garrus about running into shepard on Horizon, maybe show us her talking with EDI about what Shepard and the crew went through in ME2, just something other than "oh look she's drunk isn't that silly?!" At least that's my complaint.

 

While I'm not arguing that she should have had more squadmate interaction and banter, I personally found the hangover scene hilarious, and look forward to it in each of my Ash-alive PTs.

I'll agree that that she should've got more scenes. One of my favourite moments is if you take her to the Tuchanka bomb mission, and afterwards you'll share a moment reminiscing about Kaidan with her. There should be lots more content like that.

But lets not forget that she gets a lot of content in the first half of the game that people conveniently like to forget. You can chew her out of about Horizon. You can talk to her about her family. You can accompany her to memorial for her sister's husband. 

[Ecrulis]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

She gets drunk twice over the course of the game (months).

F*ck, if that makes her an alcoholic, I don't even want to know what I was in my late teens/early 20s.

I think the problem is not much else is shown with her, not to mention they cut a rather touching and well done scene to replace it with her sprawled out on the floor drunk. I find that scene annoying and seeing what they cut just to give a scene that says "haha look how drunk she is" kind of makes me mad. That said I don't really think she is portrayed as an alcoholic but bioware could have done more to show us other aspects about her character. Show us her talking to garrus about running into shepard on Horizon, maybe show us her talking with EDI about what Shepard and the crew went through in ME2, just something other than "oh look she's drunk isn't that silly?!" At least that's my complaint.

 

While I'm not arguing that she should have had more squadmate interaction and banter, I personally found the hangover scene hilarious, and look forward to it in each of my Ash-alive PTs.

I'll agree that that she should've got more scenes. One of my favourite moments is if you take her to the Tuchanka bomb mission, and afterwards you'll share a moment reminiscing about Kaidan with her. There should be lots more content like that.

But lets not forget that she gets a lot of content in the first half of the game that people conveniently like to forget. You can chew her out of about Horizon. You can talk to her about her family. You can accompany her to memorial for her sister's husband. 

I agree I love the scene with her in the hospital it actually feels like the same ash from ME1 same with the meet up on the Citadel, but out of curiosity have you seen the scene they cut in favor of the drunk scene? it's pretty well done and I would have vastly preferred that over the drunk scene.

[HolyAvenger]

I haven't because I don't really care to parse the game to such fine detail. I'm sure lots of stuff got cut I would have enjoyed, its just the nature of making a game that stuff gets left out, people shouldn't get worked up about it.

[Iakus]

mtmercydave09 wrote...

Agreed, Bioware did execute Ash's character in ME3 very poorly.  Ash I don't even think really talks to anyone on the Normandy, which sucks because it takes half of the game just to get her back on it in the first place.

There is exactly one easy to miss scene where Ash talks to Tali over the intercomm.  You have to do the Tuchanka bomb mission post-Rannoch to get it.

This is as opposed to, say, Garrus, who gets to talk with pretty much everyone either in person or over the intercom.

Even if Ash is left unromanced, I would think she'd still want to go up to Shep's cabin to have a talk with him, because they would still have a lot of history.

I mean hell, Diana Allers and Traynor who have no history with Shep got to go up to the cabin, why shouldn't there be an option to invite Ash.

I believe Ash is the only companion besides EDI who doesn't visit Shepard's cabin (Ash doesn't visit the apartment in Citadel either) and EDI gets all those "What's being human like?" convos.

[mtmercydave09]

Ecrulis wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

She gets drunk twice over the course of the game (months).

F*ck, if that makes her an alcoholic, I don't even want to know what I was in my late teens/early 20s.

I think the problem is not much else is shown with her, not to mention they cut a rather touching and well done scene to replace it with her sprawled out on the floor drunk. I find that scene annoying and seeing what they cut just to give a scene that says "haha look how drunk she is" kind of makes me mad. That said I don't really think she is portrayed as an alcoholic but bioware could have done more to show us other aspects about her character. Show us her talking to garrus about running into shepard on Horizon, maybe show us her talking with EDI about what Shepard and the crew went through in ME2, just something other than "oh look she's drunk isn't that silly?!" At least that's my complaint.

 

While I'm not arguing that she should have had more squadmate interaction and banter, I personally found the hangover scene hilarious, and look forward to it in each of my Ash-alive PTs.

I'll agree that that she should've got more scenes. One of my favourite moments is if you take her to the Tuchanka bomb mission, and afterwards you'll share a moment reminiscing about Kaidan with her. There should be lots more content like that.

But lets not forget that she gets a lot of content in the first half of the game that people conveniently like to forget. You can chew her out of about Horizon. You can talk to her about her family. You can accompany her to memorial for her sister's husband. 

I agree I love the scene with her in the hospital it actually feels like the same ash from ME1 same with the meet up on the Citadel, but out of curiosity have you seen the scene they cut in favor of the drunk scene? it's pretty well done and I would have vastly preferred that over the drunk scene.

Would that be the scene where Ash talks with Shep and asks him what it felt like to die?  Yeah that would have been a good scene.

Frankly I don't think any scenes should have been cut, it feels like the only reason they were is because EA rushed the game.

[Ecrulis]

Fair enough, it's a scene where she asks Shepard about dying, it just does more for her character than a "look she's drunk scene" I have no doubt they cut it because they were scared it would offend someone.

[mtmercydave09]

iakus wrote...

There is exactly one easy to miss scene where Ash talks to Tali over the intercomm.  You have to do the Tuchanka bomb mission post-Rannoch to get it.

This is as opposed to, say, Garrus, who gets to talk with pretty much everyone either in person or over the intercom.

Even if Ash is left unromanced, I would think she'd still want to go up to Shep's cabin to have a talk with him, because they would still have a lot of history.

I mean hell, Diana Allers and Traynor who have no history with Shep got to go up to the cabin, why shouldn't there be an option to invite Ash.

I believe Ash is the only companion besides EDI who doesn't visit Shepard's cabin (Ash doesn't visit the apartment in Citadel either) and EDI gets all those "What's being human like?" convos.

Oh I see.  Yeah that's why I never get it, I always do the bomb mission pre-Rannoch since it's timed.

You're right, Ash & EDI don't get invites up to Shep's cabin, and EDI gets all those convos with Shep.  Even in the Citadel DLC EDI gets an invite to Shep's apartment while Ash still doesn't.

[HolyAvenger]

Ash's scene in the Citadel is wayyyyyyyy better than EDI's, who cares if its not at Shepard's apartment.

How much more squad interaction does Kaidan get btw? I'm still yet to do a Kaidan-alive PT. Is it an Ash-specific issue or is it for both VSs?

[mtmercydave09]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Ash's scene in the Citadel is wayyyyyyyy better than EDI's, who cares if its not at Shepard's apartment.

How much more squad interaction does Kaidan get btw? I'm still yet to do a Kaidan-alive PT. Is it an Ash-specific issue or is it for both VSs?

Even a romanced Ash still doesn't get an invite to the apartment.  You would think that her boyfriend would want to invite her to his apartment during shore leave lol.  Therefore it doesn't really make sense.  When Ash is unromanced it doesn't really bother me as much.

From what I've heard, Kaiden interacts with the crew and plays cards with James.  He's not stuck in one room like Ash is.

[Zjarcal]

The final bullet in her gut nail in the coffin was shot laid by my Shep during the Coup.

[robertthebard]

Sovereign24 wrote...

WolfyZA wrote...

I never liked Ash. Always being so butch in ME 1 acting she's born with both reproductive genetalia, then trying to be the "better person" in ME 2 by abandoning me when I asked her to join me in Cerberus for the greater good!

When ME 3 Finally came along I figured THIS IS the LAST STRAW!!! Always questioning my motives, not really trusting my abilties as a captain, but quick enough to gloat to other soldiers.. going like.. "Do I know Sheppard... Yeah, I knew (Screwed) him"

Biatch please... You've abandoned me more times than a Red headed step child. Of all the characters she is my most hated supporting character in HIStory. She's such a TOOL!

Lol how dare she not join a terrorist organisation. The nerve!

You know, I totally get her not wanting to join Cerberus.  What I never totally got was VS questioning my loyalties after watching me clear Horizon of Collectors, and seeing that, despite the fact that I share their opinion of Cerberus, Cerberus isn't the one attacking the colonies.  (Even though I have to question whether they would have, if it wasn't already going on)  This pattern continues into 3, where on Mars, one should really have a Paragon interrupt to shoot them in the head, regardless of which VS it is.  No, I didn't put Paragon there on accident.  Questioning your superior officer once is overlookable, continually doing so is punishable by bullet in the brain pan.  Either way, neither of them make it onto the Normandy after coup.  The pattern of insubordination is too strong to overlook, and I don't want them deciding it's time to go back to questioning my orders in a combat situation, or trying to pretend that anyone but Garrus is my XO, and trying to do something dumb with my ship.  So the last nail in the coffin for VS comes way before the Citadel DLC, it actually gets started on Horizon in ME 2, and finished off on Mars.  If I could leave the body and run from the Reapers, I would.