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I will NOT be pre-ordering DA:I


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bclagge

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I love the games you produce Bioware, but I have been burned too many times lately, and twice by you (ME3 and DA2).  There's no need to rehash the issues with DA2, I think we all know what they are.  I want to love DA:I, and I'm eager for it to come out.  But I know who your publisher is.

This is a plea for sense, and respect for the consumer, and respect for yourselves!  Please, please do not release DA:I until it's ready!  Please, please do not cut corners!  If you do it right, people like myself will buy the game at full price and all DLCs!  Only if it's done right.  If it comes out runny and undercooked, I will wait until it's a bargain and I'm unlikely to buy any additional content.  I never bought the DA2 DLCs for that reason.

Respectfully and sincerely,

Brett C.

This video posted by Meltemph is actually a bit more relevant than the above video:

Modifié par bclagge, 27 mars 2013 - 01:51 .


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bclagge wrote...

Agreed! And with digital downloads there is absolutely NO incentive to pre-order! Besides excitement, I suppose. Pre-ordering is useful only for brick and mortar purchases because they don't carry PC stock otherwise.

I think people are starting to wise up a little, which is why many companies offer little baubles to pre-order.


Most games I buy I pre-order and I only purchase digitially now.  I like having the game downloaded and installed pre-launch so I can start playing right at midnight.

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TheJediSaint wrote...

Blair Brown wrote...

bclagge wrote...

Agreed! And with digital downloads there is absolutely NO incentive to pre-order! Besides excitement, I suppose. Pre-ordering is useful only for brick and mortar purchases because they don't carry PC stock otherwise.

I think people are starting to wise up a little, which is why many companies offer little baubles to pre-order.


Most games I buy I pre-order and I only purchase digitially now.  I like having the game downloaded and installed pre-launch so I can start playing right at midnight.


That's pretty much my MO for most games that I really want to play.  However, if a game has always-online DRM like SimCity or Diablo 3, then I'll hold off from pre-ordering it.   Pre-order goodies are not worth the risk of me pay for a game that may not be playable on launch day.


I still do it for those, I have such a backlog of games when I couldn't get into simcity I just got caught up on some other ones.  (Doesn't mean I wasn't extremely dissapointed by both the D3 and SC launches though)

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bclagge wrote...

Blair Brown wrote...
Most games I buy I pre-order and I only
purchase digitially now.  I like having the game downloaded and
installed pre-launch so I can start playing right at midnight.


And that is tempting!  I have a job I have to be up early for though, so this isn't an issue for me currently.  But, it would be if I were in a position to play at midnight. Edit: Especially because of my love of (nearly) everything Bioware!  On the surface it seeeeems like a safe bet.


To be fair i'm in the minority as it's part of my job to keep up with these things, but also, I usually only do this for games that I'm pretty sure i'll love. Last few were, Farcry 3, X-Com, Dishonored, D3, SimCity (only one that didnt have a pre-load wtf.) And tonight, BIOSHOCK!@#!%#

Mabye i'm just easy to please hehe.

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I rarely preorder (even before digital). The only ones I preorder are the ones I want to play asap (last game for that was Alpha Protocol I think).

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Wonder if Schumacher would have preordered the spy game Bioware proposed
to do, a sort of Bourne meets James Bond game that EA decided to squash
? Yes ? No ? Maybe ? rotfl. No I won't be preordering DAI.


If by "EA squashing it" you mean "BioWare squashed it" (since they are the same) then yeah, EA squashed it. For good reason too (I was technically on that project when I first started).

As for preordering it, no probably not since I get BioWare's games for free.


Oh, damn.


The only "Oh damn" part of preordering Alpha Protocol was the lack of sleep I had to endure the following day :)

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 25 mars 2013 - 09:48 .


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I...I am really glad you played Alpha Protocol and liked it. Any insights about it?

It's
gameplay was definetely hit and miss, but once you basically bear with
it, or in my case abuse the OP abilites, you can get to the story
(hello, pistol chain shot) then it's story can be very satisfying. The
independence ending is really great. The only thing that ever made me
feel the same self empowerment was the Fallout New Vegas NO gods NO
masters ending.


IMO it's the best conversation system I have seen in an RPG in terms of feeling natural.  I think they did a great job with the reactivity as well (especially a lot of the more subtle stuff).

Mechanics wise it struggled in places.  There were some issues such as lockpicking speeds being determined by game performance (lower frame rates made it more challenging because the tumblers actually moved slower) and things like that which are bad.  The PC controls made hacking problematic.  Balance issues with the combat do exist, but I think it's overstated (If I specialized in any combat style, I never had any real problems).  Jerk Mike is also amazing.  And Steven Heck.  Steven Heck.


EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...
The only "Oh damn" part of preordering Alpha Protocol was the lack of sleep I had to endure the following day :)

Well, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I thought you didn't and that's why you stopped pre-ordering. As for me, I have a Target right down the street that never seems to run out of copies of the games I want. Are the pre-order bonuses actually designed using the game's budget or do you have a small team dedicated to that stuff?


Nah, it's more a statement that I rarely preorder.  Alpha Protocol is one of my favourite games.

I don't know the full cost of doing things like pre-order bonuses.  Doing the item packs and the like are done because of an arrangement made with Gamestop (the impression I get is they give us money to make preorder exclusives for their store).  I'd say the level of work needed to be done for those item packs is not very expensive compared to other aspects of development.  It does mean more work for more than just the artists though (i.e. QA will have to test with permutations of item packs and whatnot to make sure they are working).  If there's any tie in to the main budget, my guess would be that it's factored in from the start (i.e. when working up the budget, someone can say "Based on previous arrangements we've been able to get X dollars from retailers for preorder incentives, so we have that money available to us")

Something like cross promotion offers is probably more budgeted on the benefits of getting money sooner.  Not sure exactly how it works or how it motivates it.  Could also be money coming from the other studio (despite being under the EA umbrella, each studio still has its own budgets and whatnot, just because it helps spot out inefficiencies and the like.  So EA Madrid will charge BioWare Edmonton for localization at a set rate.  In the end it's money moving around internally for EA so the cost to them isn't particularly high, but I think it's better in that it helps examine how time and money is being spent.  If we could consider VO and Localization "free" then it'd be easy for us to say "All languages for everyone! It costs us nothing!" while Madrid cries.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 25 mars 2013 - 10:51 .


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frankf43 wrote...

No he'll probably be playing before release date. lucky devil:)


we play it every day..:wizard:

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Allan Schumacher

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As QA, playing it everyday isn't really a fantastic experience....

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LinksOcarina wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As QA, playing it everyday isn't really a fantastic experience....

But it has to be better than playing DA2 everyday, right? Posted Image


I doubt it.


Most days I'd actually say yes.  But then, most days on DA2 I'd say the same compared to DAO :P

It's crazy cool seeing stuff come to life and features come into place.  Having said that, I also don't specifically play the game every day, so I get hit with that "Oooo cool!" feeling every day.  But I also can recognize works in progress so that something is only 50% complete still illicits an "Oooo cool" whereas in a finished product, it probably wouldn't.

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EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Do you still play the games after they're released?


I haven't yet.

I started playing DAO after release, only to get to Ostagar and go "Oh yeah.... this part" which I am certain I experienced well over 100 times (and I started in June 2009).


This only affects Dragon Age, however.  Since I don't work on Mass Effect I happily gobbled them up after release.


EDIT: As a follow up to the response after yours: I am still an avid gamer and play a lot of games.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 27 mars 2013 - 12:21 .


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LTD wrote...

Blair Brown wrote...


Most games I buy I pre-order and I only purchase digitially now.  I like having the game downloaded and installed pre-launch so I can start playing right at midnight.


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It's funny because if you keep reading my post I specifically point out that EA is the only company that didn't let me do that and I was dissapointed.

where is the eye roll emoticon..

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Is this referring to Olivia's Letter to open up An Errant Letter?