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[Cyberstrike nTo]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I wont be ordering a pizza for lunch today. I was going to make a thread on this, but thought I'd use yours. People need to know.

But I'm sure I'll be pre-ordering DA:1 and likely two copies at that. I have yet to be unhappy with preordering Bioware games in the past.

Yep, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've never played a bad Bioware game (or EA game, but that's another topic).

The same here. I will gladly take so-called "the worst" BioWare games over 95% of any other the best so-called AAA titles and developers/publishers out there today.  

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 25 mars 2013 - 08:05 .

[TheRaj]

I also won't preorder. I thought DA:O was fantastic and DA2 was... a little 'meh'. Not terrible actually, but I just didn't really enjoy it. For many reasons (that have been discussed to death) I just didn't feel the same personal involvement in the plot.

So on that basis I'm not going to put my money down in advance for what might be (for me at least) a 'meh' product.

That said, some of the noises around DA3 seem promising, so I still have hope. Time will tell I guess.

Actually the goodies you get with pre-ordering (like an 'awesome armour of coolness' for example) generally detract from the game for me. I don't really see it as an incentive.

[Fast Jimmy]

What's the big deal with bringing games out midweek all the while when most customers have to get up for work/school the next morning? Wouldn't it be better bringing them out on a friday night so most customers have all weekend to play them?

Because game stores do most of their business on the weekend/Friday night. They'd rather have crazy fanatics come for releases on a night when nothing else is going on and other customers won't get scared away.

You see the same thing in movie releases.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 25 mars 2013 - 08:07 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Actually the goodies you get with pre-ordering (like an 'awesome armour of coolness' for example) generally detract from the game for me. I don't really see it as an incentive.

I prefer the term "tacky" but, then again, that is just me.

[Fredward]

Your passionate eloquence in explaining why exactly you're making a ridiculously logical decision has led me to an epiphany.

Pre-orders are stupid.

Thank you sir and/or madame. My world is now a better place.

[LinksOcarina]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Actually the goodies you get with pre-ordering (like an 'awesome armour of coolness' for example) generally detract from the game for me. I don't really see it as an incentive.

I prefer the term "tacky" but, then again, that is just me.

That really is dependant on some things. For example, are you a collector of tacky items or gaming memrobilia? 

If not, a lot of the pre-order incentives don't matter. 

Do you care about getting the game early? If not, pre-orders don't matter.

Really the barometer is kind of simple in the end if you think about it. 

[New Display Name]

I will be preordering

[MerinTB]

I won't be pre-ordering, either, and that's kinda a first.

I will, however, most likely end up picking it up and playing it. I am hoping that I will be pleasantly surprised and love it. But I'm not betting on it anymore.

[happy_daiz]

I will preorder if I decide I want it.

I preorder pretty much every game that I play. The preorder bonuses make it worthwhile, especially since it doesn't cost any more, and I would be buying it anyway.

[frankf43]

I'll probably get it on day of release. never had a Bioware game yet that I didn't enjoy. but then again I've never played any of the ME games, not my cup of tea.

[FedericoV]

I won't preorder DA:I for sure.

In general, I decided that there is no real incentive to preorder except for hype or spoilers's fear. Hype should be simply dismissed: more often than not having high expectation for a product will cause dissatisfaction. While some of my favourite gaming experiences have been about games that were published years before I played them (SW:Kotor and Red Dead Redemption: best games of their respective generation) or games that I had little to none expectation about (Alpha Protocol and Saints Row 2).

And it's even easier to manage spoilers' fear: just don't read related boards and your life will be better.

At release most games need patches to crucial bugs. At release a lot of games are not optimized. At release games are always overpriced. At release games are sold in bits and chunks. At release you cannot trust previews (for many different reason, it's not just a question linked to the standards of the gaming press). Not secondary, at release games miss mods.

So, I've come to the conclusion that the perfect time to play one game is not sooner than 3-6 months after the release. The more the better: good games are like good wine (just look at Morrowind or Kotor2: there is no best time to experience those games than now). And even if the price keeps being high, you have a good indicator of a quality product (just look at XCom).

Having said that, I won't specifically preorder EA games because we are talking of a publisher I do not trust anymore since it has screwed me too many times on different fronts (fortunately, I avoided Sim City). And Bioware has a lot more to do than releasing a good game to gain my trust back after DA2 and the ME3 ending debacle. DA:I better be a masterpiece. A masterpiece without gameplay microtransaction or I will only consider to buy it used if it's good (but if it has gameplay microtransaction in the SP game, it simply means that they have not get it and that the quality of the game won't be that high imho).

Modifié par FedericoV, 25 mars 2013 - 09:12 .

[Allan Schumacher]

I rarely preorder (even before digital). The only ones I preorder are the ones I want to play asap (last game for that was Alpha Protocol I think).

[Fast Jimmy]

Allan Schumacher will not be pre-ordering DA3!

Semi-Confirmed Rumor.

[CrazyRah]

I most likely won't pre-order DA:I. That decision might obviously change but right now it's mostly based on a few pre-orders that i've been burnt by and i'd like to not experience that in the future. Money is not something i got that much of so taking risks with it isn't a luxuary i can afford for now at least ^^

[frankf43]

No he'll probably be playing before release date. lucky devil:)

[Angrywolves]

Wonder if Schumacher would have preordered the spy game Bioware proposed to do, a sort of Bourne meets James Bond game that EA decided to squash ? Yes ? No ? Maybe ? rotfl. No I won't be preordering DAI.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I rarely preorder (even before digital). The only ones I preorder are the ones I want to play asap (last game for that was Alpha Protocol I think).

Oh, damn.

[Allan Schumacher]

Wonder if Schumacher would have preordered the spy game Bioware proposed
to do, a sort of Bourne meets James Bond game that EA decided to squash
? Yes ? No ? Maybe ? rotfl. No I won't be preordering DAI.

If by "EA squashing it" you mean "BioWare squashed it" (since they are the same) then yeah, EA squashed it. For good reason too (I was technically on that project when I first started).

As for preordering it, no probably not since I get BioWare's games for free.

Oh, damn.

The only "Oh damn" part of preordering Alpha Protocol was the lack of sleep I had to endure the following day

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 25 mars 2013 - 09:48 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I think it would be great if people didn't pre-order games at all, honestly. These aren't consoles, where only a limited amount are manufactuee and are going to be shipped in. Not many game store these days are going to not have a new game in stock. So all you are buying is the hype, or some promotional piece of DLC.

Of which if anyone buys said bits of shameless marketing hooks, don't blame anyone but yourself for being reeled in like a fish.

So no pre-order from me as well, regardless of how awesome-sauce a game looks. Then again, I'm not starting threads to declare this off the mountain tops either, so... there is that.

Might it not depend what benefits pre-ordering provides?  Or is there no possible benefit that would say you?

For instance, we know that pre-orders often come bundled with extra DLC.  People who don't pre-order don't get that DLC.  Now, if that DLC is purchasable separately, then refusing to pre-order simply carries a monetary cost, and that cost only exists if you ultimately do want that DLC.  But what if the etra pre-order content was pre-oder exclusive?  What if you couldn't buy it separately?  That changes the balance of costs considerably?

Or are you simply not considering this possibility because you don't expect publichers would do it?  And yet, we've seen this already with retailer-specific exclusives.

[hazarkazra]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I rarely preorder (even before digital). The only ones I preorder are the ones I want to play asap (last game for that was Alpha Protocol I think).

I...I am really glad you played Alpha Protocol and liked it. Any insights about it?

It's gameplay was definetely hit and miss, but once you basically bear with it, or in my case abuse the OP abilites, you can get to the story (hello, pistol chain shot) then it's story can be very satisfying. The independence ending is really great. The only thing that ever made me feel the same self empowerment was the Fallout New Vegas NO gods NO masters ending.

I uhm, am not mentioning this because I am trying to subconciously make you think up an independence ending in DA3 

[New Display Name]

I modded Alpha Protocol to make combat trivially easy.

[astreqwerty]

I award this thread the thread of the year prize rly..that vid was excellent. just dont want da to die along with ea.. maybe bioware will be bought by bethesda? who knows?

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
The only "Oh damn" part of preordering Alpha Protocol was the lack of sleep I had to endure the following day

Well, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I thought you didn't and that's why you stopped pre-ordering. As for me, I have a Target right down the street that never seems to run out of copies of the games I want. Are the pre-order bonuses actually designed using the game's budget or do you have a small team dedicated to that stuff?

[Fast Jimmy]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
I think it would be great if people didn't pre-order games at all, honestly. These aren't consoles, where only a limited amount are manufactuee and are going to be shipped in. Not many game store these days are going to not have a new game in stock. So all you are buying is the hype, or some promotional piece of DLC. 
Of which if anyone buys said bits of shameless marketing hooks, don't blame anyone but yourself for being reeled in like a fish. 
So no pre-order from me as well, regardless of how awesome-sauce a game looks. Then again, I'm not starting threads to declare this off the mountain tops either, so... there is that.

Might it not depend what benefits pre-ordering provides?  Or is there no possible benefit that would say you?
For instance, we know that pre-orders often come bundled with extra DLC.  People who don't pre-order don't get that DLC.  Now, if that DLC is purchasable separately, then refusing to pre-order simply carries a monetary cost, and that cost only exists if you ultimately do want that DLC.  But what if the etra pre-order content was pre-oder exclusive?  What if you couldn't buy it separately?  That changes the balance of costs considerably?
Or are you simply not considering this possibility because you don't expect publichers would do it?  And yet, we've seen this already with retailer-specific exclusives.

I certainly would expect publishers/developers to include pre-order only content in the form of DLC.

I would call such behavior extremely tacky... and that's putting it nicely.

But I would say that is never worth it. Because no matter what the content is, the behavior itself encourages poor developer/publisher actions. The game should be judged on its stand-alone merits alone. Anything extra should be considered not part of the product at all. Like the novels. Or like the anime. Completely ancillary to the experience.

Developers who do things otherwise are behaving in a way that is not at all in my view of practices that should be given money or further incentive.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 25 mars 2013 - 10:05 .