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[bmwcrazy]

stormhit13 wrote...

And I thought ME3 was a great game with a little bit of a let down in end-game execution. Not a massive insult or the worst thing ever to happen in interactive entertainment.

It wasn't a little bit for me, it was a huge let down.

I still don't agree with Bioware's artistic vision. I believe they could execute the ending much better without the annoying star child and the stupid kid that did the terrible voice over. 

Despite Bioware's ruined track record, I still believe that DA 3 will turn out to be a decent game but that's just my personal opinion.

It doesn't mean that those who don't want to preorder it are not "ture" Bioware fans or haters. Preordering a product before reading the reviews is ALWAYS a bad idea. 

[Redbelle]

It's not the end of the world. Just people saying they won't pre-order the game.

If the fan community feedback comes back ok then maybe they will pick up a copy.

I've only just gotten round to picking up DA2 on PS3 and found that the wayard son quest is bugged thank's to death siphon, and this bug has not been addressed for over a year. And on the same topic of bugs my Shepard on PS3's ME3 can get stuck in the cockpit on a certain piece of flooring and never move from that spot. Again, a year with no fix.

To get past these problem's I've had to resort to forum's to find the info I need to alter my play habit to target or be aware of these issues so I can take step's to avoid them.

I hope DA3 doens't suffer but based on past performance, I have to wonder if not pre-ordering is in fact the safest option till fan feedback comes through and declare's the game is definitely out of beta.

[DPSSOC]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I don't see the point of preordering myself; it's not like games are ever in such limited supply on release day that you need to preorder them in order to ensure yourself a copy.

Really depends on where you live.  I mentioned before I've actually run into instances of every retailer being sold out of a game on release day by the time I finished work.  Doesn't happen often but if I think it might I generally pre-order.  Also as I mentioned before a pre-order allows me to budget it a bit.  I don't have to pay the 60-80 bucks all at once I can pay it in little bits.

[bmwcrazy]

Redbelle wrote...

I've only just gotten round to picking up DA2 on PS3 and found that the wayard son quest is bugged thank's to death siphon, and this bug has not been addressed for over a year. And on the same topic of bugs my Shepard on PS3's ME3 can get stuck in the cockpit on a certain piece of flooring and never move from that spot. Again, a year with no fix.

To get past these problem's I've had to resort to forum's to find the info I need to alter my play habit to target or be aware of these issues so I can take step's to avoid them.

I hope DA3 doens't suffer but based on past performance, I have to wonder if not pre-ordering is in fact the safest option till fan feedback comes through and declare's the game is definitely out of beta.

Bug fixing, for some reason, is not one of Bioware's strongest points. Maybe they're just lazy but I'm still finding bugs in Origins that should have been fixed years ago.

It's a good idea to read the DA wikia for solutions for those quest breaking bugs.

[AlanC9]

stormhit13 wrote...

Do people really still not understand the concept of budgets as it relates to DLC? I mean, I assume most people see the same kind of thing every day at their place of employment.

Some gamers aren't old enough to be working yet.

[daftPirate]

First one of these, already? Well, at least it was more level headed than the ones before ME3.

[Allan Schumacher]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Do you still play the games after they're released?

I haven't yet.

I started playing DAO after release, only to get to Ostagar and go "Oh yeah.... this part" which I am certain I experienced well over 100 times (and I started in June 2009).


This only affects Dragon Age, however.  Since I don't work on Mass Effect I happily gobbled them up after release.


EDIT: As a follow up to the response after yours: I am still an avid gamer and play a lot of games.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 27 mars 2013 - 12:21 .

[Direwolf0294]

I was all set to pre-order DA3. I'm looking forward to the game, but after what BioWare's just done in TOR with the APAC servers, I'm having second thoughts. Different dev teams and entirely different games and all that, but I'm tired of feeling like BioWare's screwing me over. All the little things over the years are adding up, and I feel I should go with that old adage of vote with your wallet.

I probably will still pre-order the game, because I'm weak and I want to play it, but I feel the need to vent.

[shnig_1]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Do you still play the games after they're released?

I haven't yet.

I started playing DAO after release, only to get to Ostagar and go "Oh yeah.... this part" which I am certain I experienced well over 100 times (and I started in June 2009).


This only affects Dragon Age, however.  Since I don't work on Mass Effect I happily gobbled them up after release.


EDIT: As a follow up to the response after yours: I am still an avid gamer and play a lot of games.

that somewhat sucks you cante experience the game for the first time, but the flip of the coin is, you can torment us about how youre playing it and we dont even know what it looks like:devil::devil::devil:

[Meltemph]

bclagge wrote...



I love the games you produce Bioware, but I have been burned too many times lately, and twice by you (ME3 and DA2).  There's no need to rehash the issues with DA2, I think we all know what they are.  I want to love DA:I, and I'm eager for it to come out.  But I know who your publisher is.

This is a plea for sense, and respect for the consumer, and respect for yourselves!  Please, please do not release DA:I until it's ready!  Please, please do not cut corners!  If you do it right, people like myself will buy the game at full price and all DLCs!  Only if it's done right.  If it comes out runny and undercooked, I will wait until it's a bargain and I'm unlikely to buy any additional content.  I never bought the DA2 DLCs for that reason.

Respectfully and sincerely,

Brett C.

Regardless of whether you have loved all of BW's games or very hit and miss, not pre-ordering is a good thing as a whole.  The idea of faith based pre-order, specially of something digitally or in large supply(all AAA games), is just a bad one, and one that doesnt have a net benefit for consumers.  It is the reason we have to deal with all these pre-order DLC(based on supplier) crap.  

Unless amazon or something like that is offereing a great deal to pre-order, then I dont pre-order.

Here is a good video about why pre-ordering is a bad thing in general:  

And here is a good article on pre-ordering:  RPS article

Modifié par Meltemph, 27 mars 2013 - 01:11 .

[bclagge]

Thanks Meltemph, I'll check those links out!  Good timing on that too, I'm just sitting down to eat and I need something to entertain me

Angrywolves wrote...

Those people like me who aren't preordering or first day buying where will you go to knw you should go ahead and buy the game ? For me it will probably be people who play it on youtube.,, If they like it fine, if not.....

I will be reading these forums, and checking user review sites such as Metacritic.  I recognize that the reviewers at Metacritic are hyperbolic trolls, but if you read through their obscene exaggeration to the actual issues, it can be informative.

ReallyRue wrote...

Reading the OP makes me hungry for eggs. I'm sure the words 'runny' and 'undercooked' shouldn't do that to a person.

I'll
probably pre-order. I don't usually, and I almost didn't get ME3 on the
release day as a result. It sold out weirdly quickly. And seeing as I
enjoyed DA2, I have high hopes for DA3.

Funny thing about eggs is they're actually good runny and undercooked!  Maybe it was a bad analogy lol

[duckley]

ok then...

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

stormhit13 wrote...

And I thought ME3 was a great game with a little bit of a let down in end-game execution. Not a massive insult or the worst thing ever to happen in interactive entertainment. In fact, if I was making an idiotic youtube video, I'd probably make up statistics and claim that 98% of people agreed with me.

I agree. Minor quibbles aside I thought ME3 was great up until the last act of the game. The EC fixed a few things and I appreciate the effort on Biowares part. At first I didnt like the ending at all. Now after the EC I am just fine with it. I can live with it now.

Anyway back on topic I bring that reasoning of ME3s ending into issue not sto start another debate on an unrelated forum but because its an example of how I am hesitant towards Bioware at the moment. DA3 is the last straw for me. I will be waiting for community feedback before deciding to make a purchase.

Modifié par SpEcIaLRyAn, 27 mars 2013 - 03:28 .

[Kenshen]

LinksOcarina wrote...

bclagge wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...
Not really. You come in showing a poorly made video then expouting how you won't purchase a pre-order unless the game is ready. So ready in this case is not irrelevent, since it hinged on your already made decision. As to the idea of speading the idea...that sounds made up to me. 

Considering the game has been in development for 2 years at this point (24 months) its already ahead of the curb regarding expected release dates, don't you think? 

I'm not judging the development period - I don't usually pay much attention to them.

but lets think about it. Dragon Age II had at best, 20 months of development, Origins had over 44 months because it was in limbo for a year or so.

If we were going to put merits into time to determine something as ready, what would be acceptable? You talked about the bugs in SimCity, whats a good amount of time to make sure that doesn't happen in Inquisition, by your estimation?

No one really can answer that question.  I don't make video games so I have no clue what a normal timeframe is to make one but lets say 20 months is the a doable goal.  The biggest problem I have heard about is say after 15 months the publisher calls you up and tells you they want to go in another direction.  All of the sudden at least part of all that work is nul and now you only have 5 months to get something out the door.  I am not sure how much this would affect BW but it can be hell for the independent game makers.  Another issue that can really hurt a game is when that timeframe is changed mid production and a great example of that is Kotor 2. 

[bclagge]

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...
I agree. Minor quibbles aside I thought ME3 was great up until the last act of the game. The EC fixed a few things and I appreciate the effort on Biowares part. At first I didnt like the ending at all. Now after the EC I am just fine with it. I can live with it now.

Anyway back on topic I bring that reasoning of ME3s ending into issue not sto start another debate on an unrelated forum but because its an example of how I am hesitant towards Bioware at the moment. DA3 is the last straw for me. I will be waiting for community feedback before deciding to make a purchase.

You know, funny thing is, even if I had known about the ending issues and the lack of player agency regarding the overall plotline, it wouldn't have mattered.  I was so involved in the story at that point I absolutely was going to buy ME3 no matter what.

Fortunately DA hasn't sucked me into it the way ME did.

[AlienWolf728]

Blackrising wrote...

Apparently, people do, considering this thread is still going. Go sit in the corner.

[Stardusk]

I won't preorder either.

[Well]

I wont preorder.After DA2,ME3,D3 I stopped.I am glad I didnt preorder GW2 and after the Beta I was a happy camper about that.Since DAO the only game that I found where I preordered worth anything was SWTOR.Still a Sub.Da 2 well real disappointment as was ME 3.It was just not just the ending on ME 3.I will wait till DAI has been out awhile.

[Cutlasskiwi]

I preorder games I really, really look forward to and then it's usually the collector's edition which I can find pretty cheap online. Given the fact that I enjoyed DA2 more than DAO it seems very likely that I will preorder DA:I.

[Yrkoon]

  This thread topic doesn't interest me in the slightest but I do feel compelled to pop in here  for a moment and comment on   the unbelievabe awesomeness of this video:

bclagge wrote...

 I couldn't tear my eyes or ears away from this.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 27 mars 2013 - 11:52 .

[Heidenreich]

I don't generally pre-order games unless it's something I am seriously looking forward to playing. I don't pre-order for the bonus content, because that would be silly. That being said, I'm one of the people who immensely enjoyed DA2 and ME3, ending issues and all. I have never regretted my pre-order, even if both games made me pause and take a month(or two) before I replayed.

Regardless of issues I may have encountered, the overall games were fantastic. The game play was smooth, the stories were brilliant, and the characters are engaging and lovable. Things I love about Bioware games. They have never disappointed me, never lied to me about the things I love about their games. I really do not understand why folks feel betrayed by the company when they give us what we crave from these games. I have never played a game for the ending. I play them for all the things in between.

Until the day comes that Bioware no longer creates a game that does not live up to their standard of Meat and Potatos content that I so adore from their style, I will continue to pre-order games made by them that I am looking forward to sinking my teeth in.

As a quick aside, thank you Alan for giving us a little bit of insight on how some of these things work. I can't speak for everyone, but I appreciate your input.

[Itkovian]

I will be preordering, myself. Loved DAO and DA2 (though I preferred DAO, I did not feel that DA2 raped my childhood or anything, and could appreciate it on its own merits). I am rather looking forward to DAI.

As for the video (the original one posted), let's just say its argument that "gaming is going to crash because ME3 ending" fails to impress me (especially the "98% of gamers hated it", you know you've got a winner when using made up statistics). Sounds more like fear-mongering to get views than anything else, based on little more than "I don't like newer games, so market is going to crash".

Comparing the state of the industry now to the 80s is ludicrous doomsaying, utterly disconnected from reality.

[Sylvius the Mad]

AlanC9 wrote...

Some gamers aren't old enough to be working yet.

Isn't there an age-gate on BSN?  There used to be.

Yes, some users might choose to ignore it, but I think we can expect people here to be able to think about things like adults.

And if this is how adults understand budgets, that explains a lot.

[Fiddzz]

LTD wrote...

Blair Brown wrote...


Most games I buy I pre-order and I only purchase digitially now.  I like having the game downloaded and installed pre-launch so I can start playing right at midnight.

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It's funny because if you keep reading my post I specifically point out that EA is the only company that didn't let me do that and I was dissapointed.

where is the eye roll emoticon..