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[Willowhugger]

You know what bugs me about fandom? They threw an EPIC fit over Mass Effect 3's ending (perhaps with good reason) and Dragon Age 2 (underwhelming) but all this talk about "being burned" it makes me wonder what exactly they think the alternatives are going to be when/if Bioware doesn't suceed.

Skyrim?
Kingdom of Alamaur? (Oh wait, they don't exist anumore)

NOBODY does games like Bioware does but Bioware.

The characters, the romance, the politics, and everything is awesome.

I'd probably stop playing video games altogether if I couldn't play in their space opera or fantasy worlds.

So I'm pre-ordering Dragon Age: Inquisition because even if it's not as good as DA:O, it'll still be better than 90% of what's out on the market.

[-TC1989-]

Well I love bioware, but I really enjoy quite a few other developers as well. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't ATLEAST cautious of them, but I still poke my head in when their coming up with something new. My faith and loyalty has definately been shaken with Bioware, but I also know what they can be capable of.

[Willowhugger]

I guess it boils down to this: I'd like Bioware to do better but I don't want Bioware to FAIL. There's a big difference and I sometimes wonder if fans know the difference. Bioware is like 90% of what I play if they get flogged to oblivion I'm going to be stuck playing Bethesda alone as the rest of the gaming market looks like nothing more than Call of Duty clones for us X-boxers.

[Enigmatick]

So is there going to be a "Why I MIGHT Pre-oder DA:I" thread next?

[cJohnOne]

Yeah, wasn't the poll thread on whether you're going to pre-order enough?

[Willowhugger]

cJohnOne wrote...

Yeah, wasn't the poll thread on whether you're going to pre-order enough?

As much as complaining about too many threads on similar topics is probably valid (serious, no sarcasm), I also point out we know roughly **** about the game so this is just making conversation until the developers leak something.

So I decided to post something positive.

[Newschmoo]

I don't want Bioware to fail either. I am a bit of a latecomer to Bioware games and I have been completely sucked into the DA and ME worlds. There aren't that many games that have had that much of an impact on me or provoked emotion. Its the story and characters.

I have to admit that I did like DA2 (not as great at DAO but still good). I will be pre-ordering.

[Willowhugger]

Dragon Age 2 is one of those games which felt INCOMPLETE than Bad to me.

It makes me wonder if the Exalted Marches would have completed the games and fan reception left Hawke's story underdone.

[-TC1989-]

Willowhugger wrote...

cJohnOne wrote...

Yeah, wasn't the poll thread on whether you're going to pre-order enough?

As much as complaining about too many threads on similar topics is probably valid (serious, no sarcasm), I also point out we know roughly **** about the game so this is just making conversation until the developers leak something.

So I decided to post something positive.

Hey I'll take this type of thread all day over another "Should LI's be bi or gay?" Nothing personal against that, but damn.

But to stay on topic. I would never want them to fail at a project, they really do have so much to give as far as game developers. They are great story tellers, and them along with Rockstar, tell the most emotional stories to me personally.

Modifié par -TC1989-, 25 mars 2013 - 09:10 .

[Lavaeolus]

If I could get a good price, I'd probably pre-order it. If not, I'm probably happy enough to wait for a sale or anything.

I'm interested enough in the setting and liked the previous games enough that I'll probably eventually get the game no matter what, but I do already have an increasingly large gaming backlog to go through.

[Nefla]

     If BioWare keeps making games like DA2 and ME3 then they're no longer the company for me. Do I want them to fail? Of course not, my favorite games have come from BW I wouldn't be here during "off season" desperately hoping for DA3 to be good if I wanted them to fail. I understand that they're trying to change their target audience and attract the much larger online FPS or casual gaming crowds but the changes they have made to appeal to these new people have left me out in the cold. With each new game they erase another aspect that drew me in and replace it with something i dont care about or actively dislike. How much farther away do they have to get away from the games I loved for me to say enough? DA3 will decide.

     It's true that no one makes games like BioWare anymore but that's increasingly becoming true of BioWare itself. When you love something so much, devote so much of your life to it, it feels like a punch in the gut when the next installment is so disappointing. When DA2 came out I thought I was a one time deal caused by a change in lead designer and EA cracking the whip to get I done on such a tight deadline. I was very disappointed but I was still hopeful. When ME3 came out I knew how hardcore Star Wars fans felt when the original trilogy was changed and the prequel movies were released.

Modifié par Nefla, 25 mars 2013 - 11:50 .

[Willowhugger]

I think my feelings on the subject can best be summarized by my reaction to DA 2. I felt that I hadn't gotten a full game out of the thing. However, I don't want to leave behind Hawke (and I know I have to). Instead, I wish I could play a sequel with Dragon Age: Hawke's Revenge or something similar to Awakenings. That's never going to happen, though, because fans brought out the pitchforks over the game's very obvious flaws.

Then again, I'm the guy who'd happily play the Grey Warden up to level 99.

[Cimeas]

Yeah. The fact is that if you want to play a remotely Bioware-style game you have only a few choices:

Witcher- Amazing, but no deep companions
Obsidian games- Good story, bad gameplay/tonnes of bugs/probably unfinished/balance issues
Deus Ex- Great RPGs, no deep companions, quite short.


And that's IT. DONE. There are no other makers of cinematic RPGs.

[Korusus]

OP: At what point is the name "BioWare" just a name? At what point is it just a marketing ploy for EA? Who is it at BioWare that makes BioWare...BioWare? They've lost a lot of talent, not to mention the good doctors in the last few years...maybe the BioWare you love is changing. Maybe it's no longer the same developer.

I know that's where I am. The BioWare I loved wouldn't do auto-dialogue. Dragon Age 3 is my litmus test for whether BioWare is still BioWare, or rather (as I suspect) the people and culture have become something unrecognizable. I think DA3 will tell us.

[Angrywolves]

So what? Why start a thread like this ? It just amounts to trolling imo, and a mod needs to close it.

[Willowhugger]

Korusus wrote...

OP: At what point is the name "BioWare" just a name? At what point is it just a marketing ploy for EA? Who is it at BioWare that makes BioWare...BioWare? They've lost a lot of talent, not to mention the good doctors in the last few years...maybe the BioWare you love is changing. Maybe it's no longer the same developer.

I know that's where I am. The BioWare I loved wouldn't do auto-dialogue. Dragon Age 3 is my litmus test for whether BioWare is still BioWare, or rather (as I suspect) the people and culture have become something unrecognizable. I think DA3 will tell us.

Brand identity tends to protect things, as much as I hate to admit real politic. In some cases, you can have a world completely destroyed so it's not something you love anymore. Take Forgotten Realms (home of Baldur's Gate) which in tabletop was destroyed to the point of complete unrecognizability and Ed Greenwood's world simply isn't there anymore.

It'd take a lot to do that to Dragon Age for me. 

Even if DA:I ends with something ridiculous, I'm still going to come back for the next round as long as I mostly had fun.

[Willowhugger]

Angrywolves wrote...

So what? Why start a thread like this ? It just amounts to trolling imo, and a mod needs to close it.

I'd actually like a serious answer to why people can't just ignore the threads they don't like. What about the existence of this thread makes you want to burn it?

[Willowhugger]

I might raise an eyebrow at Dragon Age if it became a 1st person shooter.

Dragon Age: Crossbow Vanguard!

[Korusus]

krul2k wrote...

Korusus wrote...

OP: At what point is the name "BioWare" just a name? At what point is it just a marketing ploy for EA? Who is it at BioWare that makes BioWare...BioWare? They've lost a lot of talent, not to mention the good doctors in the last few years...maybe the BioWare you love is changing. Maybe it's no longer the same developer.

I know that's where I am. The BioWare I loved wouldn't do auto-dialogue. Dragon Age 3 is my litmus test for whether BioWare is still BioWare, or rather (as I suspect) the people and culture have become something unrecognizable. I think DA3 will tell us.

Way i see it is at some point Bioware wouldve needed to change the way they made games regardless, new audiences new market new technology new tastes, sooner or later they needed to change an well regardless of which they wouldve annoyed ppl no matter what, sometimes sooner rather than later is better an again regardless of what anyone thought of da2 or me3 it did bring new fans in

Yeah... that's an argument I'm tired of having.  I'm at a point where I'm fine either way, either BioWare makes games I want or they don't.  I'm willing to give DA3 a shot, but my expectations couldn't be lower.

(I would still never recommend anyone preorder anything ever, or if you're in a preordering mood just use that money to support a kickstarter...don't reward big publishers for bad behavior)

Modifié par Korusus, 25 mars 2013 - 09:44 .

[M Hedonist]

And when that game fails you'll make a "Why I'll be pre-ordering DA4" thread.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Is this a direct response to that other thread about not pre-ordering the game?

[Ghost43]

It, and other like it.

[Oberkaiser]

You'll be preordering because you're a happy slave who likes to bend over for his corporate overlords.

[Lady Mortho]

I might pre-order if it comes with special content such as a robe or staff (I'm mage all the way). If not I will get in the following days.

Yes. As you said, bioware do make fantastic games; so creative in every little detail. I espically like the various ranges of dialogue. However, your being a bit melodramatic about other games not being good enough.