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[EpicBoot2daFace]

Willowhugger wrote...

I guess it boils down to this: I'd like Bioware to do better but I don't want Bioware to FAIL. There's a big difference and I sometimes wonder if fans know the difference. Bioware is like 90% of what I play if they get flogged to oblivion I'm going to be stuck playing Bethesda alone as the rest of the gaming market looks like nothing more than Call of Duty clones for us X-boxers.

Well, there's your problem. Get off the Xbox and get a decent PC and play some indie games. Microsoft only cares about triple-A games. Their "support" of indie developers is a joke.

[Willowhugger]

Oberkaiser wrote...

You'll be preordering because you're a happy slave who likes to bend over for his corporate overlords.

Fenris, is that you?

[Mr.Sink123]

I still dont understand why people hate so much on DA 2 and ME3.

[Fresh Bamboo]

 not sure if someone posted this... but...
CDProjektRed

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Willowhugger wrote...

Oberkaiser wrote...

You'll be preordering because you're a happy slave who likes to bend over for his corporate overlords.

Fenris, is that you?

Perfect.

[Willowhugger]

Mr.Sink123 wrote...

I still dont understand why people hate so much on DA 2 and ME3.

The short version is that the DA 2 was drastically scaled down. Nobody complained about the Party Members and most people liked Hawke, the Hawke family, Fenris, Isabella, Varric, and so on. All of that was good. They hated the repeated dungeons, the general aimlessness of the plotline, the lack of a Big Bad, and the sense of no resolution to the stories. It's like the Empire Strikes Back only we never return to Han Solo's plight.

Mass Effect 3 generally has everyone disliking the Maguffin and the ending. Beyond that there's some dislike for the fact Cerberus is returned to being a villain. Other than that, the general sense is that ME was a good game for 99% of the play only to REALLY offend people by forcing them into one of the three unacceptable endings for most people's playthroughs.

The real irony is that if people didn't CARE for the IP as much as they did, they wouldn't be so angry. Unfortunately, I don't think "fans who hate more than any causal gamer" is a good thing.

[bclagge]

You missed one other complaint about DA2: I was irritated that in the end, none of your decisions mattered. You had to kill absolutely everyone, just with a little different dialogue. And the final battle was an exercise in monotony.

@OP: If the game does have issues, then I'll just pick it up later at a price I'm comfortable with. I'll still get to experience the great Bioware writing - they just won't get as much of my money.

Angrywolves wrote...

So what? Why start a thread like this ? It just amounts to trolling imo, and a mod needs to close it.

Eh? I think it's important for Bioware to know how their fans feel about their games, their company, their direction and what the fans expect from them. BW is pretty active in these forums, unlike some developers, and I appreciate that.

[lady_v23]

I never learn! I always pre order Bioware's games. All the games they've published I like so far.

[Korusus]

Mr.Sink123 wrote...

I still dont understand why people hate so much on DA 2 and ME3.

Then you aren't trying hard enough.  Without even trying 1) Autodialogue, 2) Removal of neutral dialogue option, 3) dumbed down side quests and useless journal system 4) can't get best ending without multiplayer until BioWare patched it 5) tacked on multiplayer....and I haven't even gotten to the ending fiasco or Dragon Age 2 (which if you don't know why people hate on DA2, listing all of its faults isn't going to convince you).

As someone who has been a longtime BioWare fan and knows what they are capable of, ME3 and DA2 were very pretty, very disappointing eye-candy.

[grumpymooselion]

"This is the only place you're going to get this flavor!" isn't a reason to to blindly support and pre-order a product, any product, without sure knowledge of its quality - especially if one find the last few products from a developer wanting.

Unlike some of you though, despite any flaws, I actually liked DA2. I still won't pre-order DA3 though. I'll wait to pick it up until several reviewers whose opinions tend to mesh with mine own show me something to convince me it's worth buying. This isn't something I do only with Bioware games though, this goes for all games from all developers.

[Hazegurl]

I like that Bioware seems at least interested in what their fans have to say which means there is always room for them to improve. Gamers will always over hype the smallest offenses and I'm sure they know this. I liked DA2 but it wasn't as great as Origins. I just hope they figure out why DA2 wasn't as great and make needed changes to the next one. ME3 was actually a great game up until the ending. I just hope they realize why and make needed changes for ME4. I won't go so far as to say I will never buy a game from them again if they don't make these changes, but I also can't say I would always support them no matter what they put out. I do like holding on to my money when I can.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Korusus wrote...

Mr.Sink123 wrote...

I still dont understand why people hate so much on DA 2 and ME3.

Then you aren't trying hard enough.  Without even trying 1) Autodialogue, 2) Removal of neutral dialogue option, 3) dumbed down side quests and useless journal system 4) can't get best ending without multiplayer until BioWare patched it 5) tacked on multiplayer....and I haven't even gotten to the ending fiasco or Dragon Age 2 (which if you don't know why people hate on DA2, listing all of its faults isn't going to convince you).

As someone who has been a longtime BioWare fan and knows what they are capable of, ME3 and DA2 were very pretty, very disappointing eye-candy.

Or you aren't trying at all.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

I will be preordering because my loyalty to BioWare and my love of their games far outweigh any disappointment I might have felt with DA2 and ME3 (both of which I still enjoyed). I won't be preordering The Witcher 3, however and there isn't enough info about platform or really anything at all apart from a cool-looking trailer for me to decide whether I want to wishlist and eventually pre-order Cyberpunk 2077. CDPR have failed to wow me yet, even though I own both Witcher games and preordered W2 for the 360 (kinda wish I hadn't). I won't be preordering the next Elder Scrolls game either for that matter. I'm not even sure I'll even bother with the next TES title. More and more I am finding them to be joyless, humourless, formulaic slogs with about ten minutes worth of very cliched, generic fantasy story in a game with hundreds of playable hours (Bethesda being the main devs for Fallout also hurts that series, although at least FO3 had humour and the benefit of an interesting setting; Bethsoft should really just let Obsidian develop and just publish future Fallout titles- F:NV blew FO3 out of the water... and into orbit).

I am looking forward to Inquisition with cautious optimism, which I find is always a good stance to take with just about anything. Buying into hype tends to lead to letdowns.

Modifié par The Teryn of Whatever, 25 mars 2013 - 11:19 .

[Korusus]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

I will be preordering because my loyalty to BioWare and my love of their games far outweigh any disappointment I might have felt with DA2 and ME3 (both of which I still enjoyed). I won't be preordering The Witcher 3, however. CDPR have failed to wow me yet, even though I own both Witcher games and preordered W2 for the 360 (kinda wish I hadn't). I won't be preordering the next Elder Scrolls game either for that matter. I'm not even sure I'll even bother with the next TES title.

I am looking forward to Inquisition with cautious optimism, which I find is always a good stance to take with just about anything. Buying into hype tends to lead to letdowns.

I think The Witcher series is vastly overrated and I wish people would stop trying to push an agenda that I generally support (more classic RPG goodness) with TW as an example.  That said, I was similarly very disappointed with Bethesda when they made Oblivion in a very similar way to how I was disappointed with BioWare for Dragon Age 2. Most of the gaming community seemed to love Oblivion, I saw it as dumbed down eye-candy with only a fraction of the depth of its two most immediate predecessors.

The difference between Bethesda and BioWare is that Bethesda regained my trust with Shivering Isles, Fallout 3, allowing Obsidian to develop New Vegas, and now with Skyrim.  They have more than made up for the disappointment I felt with Oblivion.  BioWare has the opportunity to regain a lot of good will and trust with Dragon Age 3, but it remains to be seen if they will or not.

[Willowhugger]

I like the Witcher series but it's kind of off-kilter because Geralt is a very-very well-defined character. Way more so than Shepard. It's like playing Batman and getting three choices of what Bruce Wayne says. Yeah, it's "choice" but it's all Batman so there's not much in the way of choice if that makes any sense.

I created this thread mostly to add a sense of positive well-feeling towards Bioware. Yeah, it's good when Bioware gives Tali and Garrus to fans as a LI but I'd rather them not feel like they can't win for losing. If the positives in their games aren't reinforced, they're unlikely to realize what we DO like about their games.

My thoughts, at least.

[MstrJedi Kyle]

Nope! I don't usually pre-order anyway.

[Eckswhyzed]

Agreed.

I play and enjoy many video games, but none of them are quite like Bioware's.

Of course, the fact that I thoroughly enjoyed both DA2 and ME3 helps. 

Modifié par Eckswhyzed, 26 mars 2013 - 08:00 .

[milena87]

I really enjoyed DA2 (I'm one of those weirdos), but I won't preorder this time. I'm still interested in the world of Thedas and I'm really looking forward to DAI, but I want to see the commitment to quality before buying (and no MP; yes, it's a deal breaker for me).

There are a lot of other interesting games out there if DAI doesn't live up to expectations, some of them I already paid for (well, pledged actually).

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Willowhugger wrote...

You know what bugs me about fandom? They threw an EPIC fit over Mass Effect 3's ending (perhaps with good reason) and Dragon Age 2 (underwhelming) but all this talk about "being burned" it makes me wonder what exactly they think the alternatives are going to be when/if Bioware doesn't suceed.

Skyrim?
Kingdom of Alamaur? (Oh wait, they don't exist anumore)

NOBODY does games like Bioware does but Bioware.

The characters, the romance, the politics, and everything is awesome.

I'd probably stop playing video games altogether if I couldn't play in their space opera or fantasy worlds.

So I'm pre-ordering Dragon Age: Inquisition because even if it's not as good as DA:O, it'll still be better than 90% of what's out on the market.

For me, BioWare games are always  mediocre, until Dragon Age Origins.  I never like BioWare's story and characters. I don't buy KOTOR, Jade Empire, MDK, Shattered Steel, Sonic Chronicles, Mass Effect 1 and 3. DA 2 and ME 2 is a mistake for me and I have no intention to repeat the same mistake with DA 3. I'm not a BioWare fan. I never was and I never will. I'm a fan of RPG derived from Pen and Paper RPG experience. I'm a fan of old schools TSR's Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance Dungeon & Dragons Roleplaying. Baldur Gates and Neverwinter Nights utilized both D&D ruleset until Bioware's Kotor..

The only reasons why I bought BioWare games in the first place is party based RPG, toolset and Neverwinter Nights' create-your-own-adventure. It wasn't BioWare's name that drive me to buy Dragon Age Origins. It was Atari's non-existence Neverwinter Nights 3. Google somehow accidently show me Dragon Age Origins instead. In the end, it was the DAO's toolset and mods that earn my money.

I'm well aware that toolset is no longer BioWare's priority. But I'm still hoping to be able to create my own character, my roleplaying journey and story through choice and consequences. Unfortunately, sigh ... 

Well... There is no point in dwelling the past.  I will wait for reviews, watch for youtube's endings and overall plot to see how much player can affect the story and replay value. I will take my time this time, since it highly likely it's going to be my answer whether BioWare's games offer the value worth my investment or not.

RPG isn't my top gaming priority anyway. It's used to be, before the decline of Wizard of Coast D&D RPG. Now, it's 4X strategy games, Micromanagement empire building strategy games, The Sims series, and so many other open world games that offer a lot more freedom, variables and flexibility in term of gameplay, imagination and  creativity. If I want a quick 5 minutes intense action while waiting for someone or during my break hours, I could always switch to Koei's Dynasty Warriors or Samurai Warriors series. I could enjoy a wide variety of games. But not linearity and preset protagonist. I know exactly what I want in my own games. I do not need the writers' helping hand to guide me in a straight line, just for them to tell a better story. What I need is, tons of variables for me to utilize so that I can play again and again. Unfortunately,  this is something that is greatly missing from general BioWare games including Mass Effect and Dragon Age 2.


 So good luck to you. 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 26 mars 2013 - 09:09 .

[Kidd]

I agree, Willowhugger. My preorder is guaranteed as soon as I know which system I can get the game on. I like that BioWare dares trying new things instead of just churning out the same formula over and over again. Sometimes I like the changes, sometimes I don't. That's just the way things will be.

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Baldur Gates and Neverwinter Nights utilized both D&D ruleset until Bioware's Kotor..

KotOR is still running on d20, so that's pretty much D&D in space

[Plaintiff]

Oberkaiser wrote...

You'll be preordering because you're a happy slave who likes to bend over for his corporate overlords.

Damn right.

Bioware gives it to me goooooooooooooooooooooood.

[Cultist]

You know what bugs me about fandom? They threw an EPIC fit over Mass Effect 3's ending (perhaps with good reason) and Dragon Age 2 (underwhelming) but all this talk about "being burned" it makes me wonder what exactly they think the alternatives are going to be when/if Bioware doesn't suceed.

Skyrim?
Kingdom of Alamaur? (Oh wait, they don't exist anumore)

NOBODY does games like Bioware does but Bioware.

The characters, the romance, the politics, and everything is awesome.

I'd probably stop playing video games altogether if I couldn't play in their space opera or fantasy worlds.

So I'm pre-ordering Dragon Age: Inquisition because even if it's not as good as DA:O, it'll still be better than 90% of what's out on the market.

Don't worry, I'll translate it for you:

I will order DA I know, because EA told me so, BioWare to them belong, I am weak and EA strong!

[LTD]

I'd have no problem with your decision if pre-ordering games was just about isolated case of you bending over before EA. In principle,  what you and EA do together when lights go out essentially is not my business. Some of us enjoy odor of grass after a nice summer rain..others enjoy the sensation a corporate **** tearing their nether completely  apart brings. However, as fellow consumers we always share the same bed afterwards. Inevitably blood and seminal fluid off your arse soils my side of the sheets as well.

Please consider the hygiene of your bed fellows:(

Don't pre-order games people:(

Modifié par LTD, 26 mars 2013 - 11:42 .

[Plaintiff]

Actually, EA is a firm yet gentle lover.

Comparing corporate business practice to violent anal rape is totally not an offensive hyperbole, and it's certainly not a sign of immature, entitled whining.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 26 mars 2013 - 11:47 .