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[Allan Schumacher]

Stating that one's own critique is objective is not productive.  Going into tangents as to what objectivity is or is not is not relevant.  Understanding that claiming one's point of view is objective is going to just stir up trouble is something to be mindful of.

Getting on other posters based on what types of games they like is also not appropriate.  Responding in a hostile manner to someone you think is just trolling is also not a great idea.  Be respectful and courteous to fellow posters despite their statements and wishes, and frankly we all get along better.


Consider this a warning, and it goes to everyone.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 27 mars 2013 - 06:36 .

[DragonMage95]

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Lol so you're handing your money over to a company cause you worship their name? Um, congrats I guess....Bioware isn't the same company anymore, their new games are objectively bad and by reading your other posts you don't even understand why people are disappointed.

There are people on this website who actually believe that Dragon Age 2 was a great game m8.

Which obviously means they are inferior beings of course. 

I'm so tired of people criticizing others for liking a DA2. Who cares? Everyone has different opinions and it is honestly embarassing that Allan has to talk to us like children because people want to be immature in these discussions.

[Willowhugger]

Tastes vary. Some people like dark and broody, some like epic fantasy, some like both.

[Itkovian]

I love Bioware, I love pretty much all their recent PC games, and I can't wait for DAI. As much as I love good combat, good gameplay, it's the Bioware storytelling that draws me in. No other dev does it as well as Bioware.

DA2 had issues, certainly, but storytelling was not one of them, in many ways it was better than DAO (though I preferred DAO overall, sure enough). ME3 was a splendid game, and regardless of what one thinks of the last 10 minutes (I didn't mind it, and positively like it with the EC) the rest of it was a tremendous achievement in storytelling (made even better by the Citadel DLC, easily the best DLC I've ever played). Same goes with TOR, easily the best storytelling in an MMO (and the only MMO I ever managed to get to the endgame... twice in fact!).

So, yeah, I'll be pre-ordering DAI. I'm right there with you, OP.

I'm not saying Bioware games are necessarily the best (DXHR remains my favourite, for example), there's better games out there. But when I want the best interactive stories, Bioware is my one-stop-shop.

Thank you, Bioware, can't wait for DAI.

[Enigmatick]

This is just silly

[BouncyFrag]

Enigmatick wrote...



This is just silly

At this point, the negative thread is winning. There should be a prize for the ultimate winner.

[BubbleDncr]

I'll be preording it the day they announce preorders. The most expensive edition they got. Because I love Bioware's stories and characters, and I want them to continue to be able to make them.

[Fraq Hound]

Willowhugger wrote...

NOBODY does games like Bioware does but Bioware.

There are companies that do Games like Bioware, they just don't do them as well as Bioware.

However, if Bioware continues down their current path, you can bet your ass that their competators products will start looking more and more appealing.

Willowhugger wrote...

I'd probably stop playing video games altogether if I couldn't play in their space opera or fantasy worlds.

You'll stop playing video games all together? I doubt it.

Was Mass Effect 3 the only game that you played last year?

If so, I pity you. Mass Effect 3 was not even in my top 10 list of last year.

Willowhugger wrote...

So I'm pre-ordering Dragon Age: Inquisition because even if it's not as good as DA:O, it'll still be better than 90% of what's out on the market.

Nope.

2011 saw the release of:

Dark Souls
Skyrim
The Witcher 2

All three were direct competitors to DA2 and better games, IMO.

Other games that came out in 2011 that were of better or equal quality to DA2 (indirect competitors):

Dead Space 2
Bulletstorm
Killzone 3
Mortal Kombat
Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood
Portal 2
Fable 3
L.A. Noire
InFamous 2
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Dead Island
Disgaea 4
Resistance 3
Gears of War 3
Rage
Batman: Arkham City
Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
Saints Row the Third
Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3
Mario Kart 7
Trine 2
Tropico 4

Also ME2 and SWTOR (Both better games then DA2).

Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.

EDIT: Apologies... ME2 was released on the PS3 in 2011 and the PC/Xbox in 2010. Didn't check the fine print.

Modifié par Fraq Hound, 27 mars 2013 - 09:29 .

[Willowhugger]

I'm not sure it's a poll given that the negative thread has people posting in it who will buy it and the positive thread has people stopping in to say, "YOU FOOLS! THE TEVINTER MAGISTERS CONTROL BIOWARE! FLEE! FLEE FOR YOUR LIVES!"

[Mornmagor]

In my personal opinion, pre-ordering is not that much of an issue. If you want, do it, or don't, whatever.

The problem lies when people see a pattern they don't like, and stay away from the game because of that.

For example, while DA:O had about 3.6 million sales, DA2 had about 1.5. Which means people didn't like DA2 as much as Origins, regardless of it being a good game overall and improving on some aspects, compared to its predecessor.

If people see games being rushed, and feel that they are unsatisfied with the end product, it will show in the game sales, not on the forums. DA2 was worse because of worse sales, not because people trashed it in here or on metacritic or wherever. Of course, making games more appealing to a larger audience could be a cause for higher sales, but Bioware's Dragon Age so far doesn't fit that trend.

In my opinion, since they don't seem to rush DA3, and since i believe they surely learned something from past experiences(aka sales), i expect a higher quality product. Not in the sense of "i expect or else-" but as in, i estimate.

I think if companies are not rushed by their publishers to make games too fast(since the publishers are pressured by tanking stock market values since the recession), they will create higher quality games and get even more money as a result.

So, in general, even if you don't preorder, nothing will change, if the game is good, more people will buy it anyway. But if companies rush games because they expect that more games=more money, then it won't work, the sales will get lower while the development costs for each game will be rising.

Anyway peace

Modifié par Kuroi Kishin, 27 mars 2013 - 09:40 .

[Willowhugger]

How do you know that? Past record? Please. You're assuming.

Okay, to nip this in the bud, it's not an assumption if it's my opinion. There's no objective measure for greatness in any form of art, despite what people will tell you. Bioware is my favorite game company BY FAR but it's not going to impact others nearly the way it does me.

But yes, the prospect of a Bioware-less RPG market is horrible to me because I love their stuff and worlds.

[Lady Mortho]

Possible content allined with it's self?

[Fraq Hound]

Willowhugger wrote...

But yes, the prospect of a Bioware-less RPG market is horrible to me because I love their stuff and worlds.

So do I!

I love them because they have always made incredible products.

That's why it pisses me off when people like you throw money at them for creating mediocre products.

Here is how an EA executive see's all this.

"DAO took Bioware 5 years to design and made 3 million." (Amazing)

"DA2 took you 1.5 years and you made 1.5 Million." (Mediocre)

"Thus we will Design Mediocre 3 times and make 4.5 million, increasing profits."

If a future of Mediocre Bioware games is what your after then congratulations!

Yes I used someone elses numbers, No, I'm not sure how accurate they are. No, I don't care. They proved my point.

Modifié par Fraq Hound, 27 mars 2013 - 09:52 .

[BouncyFrag]

EntropicAngel wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

At this point, the negative thread is winning. There should be a prize for the ultimate winner.

People like negative things.

Just look at the number of people here who claim they're done with Bioware but can't tear themselves away. They like to hate.

Very true. Its more fun to be a hata.

[Fast Jimmy]

EntropicAngel wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

At this point, the negative thread is winning. There should be a prize for the ultimate winner.

People like negative things.

Just look at the number of people here who claim they're done with Bioware but can't tear themselves away. They like to hate.

Whatever doesn't kill you just makes you easier to kill later. 

Its HATE that makes you strong. 

[Allan Schumacher]

I presume anyone suggesting that DA3 will be better than 90% of the market is someone that likes BioWare's style of games and not so much other games, and is making a guess based on a hunch and probably some optimism.

In other words, nothing to see here and move along. It's an assumption based on an opinion and there's not much merit in arguing it since that's the way he feels.

The same way there's not much point in arguing with someone that feels DA3 will under perform.

[cJohnOne]

Everyone knows DA2 shipped 2 million and that doesn't count reorders and online sales.