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[jkflipflopDAO]

leslie2233 wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

I can't buy any more Bioware games, sadly. I have a ban on all EA games in my house.

Lol really. I dislike EA but I won't stop myself from ever buying one of their games

Then way to continue being part of the problem. Good on you.

[Willowhugger]

No offense but I'll give two cents about EA after we've resolved world poverty.

[Allan Schumacher]

Eh. If someone feels EA takes advantage or has some other motivation for feeling EA games should not be purchased, I encourage them to stick to their guns and stand up for what they believe in.

[Zekka]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

leslie2233 wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

I can't buy any more Bioware games, sadly. I have a ban on all EA games in my house.

Lol really. I dislike EA but I won't stop myself from ever buying one of their games

Then way to continue being part of the problem. Good on you.

What I mean is I buy EA games that I think are worth the purchase like The Mass Effect trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Battlefield 3. I regret my Mass Effect 3 purchase though and I never bought Dragon Age 2 so I will say I am good.

[Willowhugger]

I understand the worldview, I just dislike fan entitlement when we should be caring about so much more else.

[bclagge]

Willowhugger wrote...

I understand the worldview, I just dislike fan entitlement when we should be caring about so much more else.

You're absolutely right.  As long as there is a more meaningful problem, you should never, ever, under any circumstances make an issue out of any lesser problems.

No complaining about losing your job.  There are people working for a dollar a day.
It doesn't matter that you broke your leg.  I know a guy that is paralyzed.  What he wouldn't give to have just a broken leg.
So what that you got evicted?  Multiple schlerosis.  That's right.
Those people trying to get an equal right to marry?  They should go home because there are kids starving in Africa.
And no complaining about computer games because of the underground slave trade.

My point, sarcastically delivered, is that there are always bigger problems, bigger and more important issues out there.  That doesn't mean that you have to pretend like smaller, less significant concerns don't exist.  It doesn't make you a bad person.

After all this is a computer game forum.  Aren't we here to talk about a computer game?

[Willowhugger]

Really?

You actually went there?

Well, enjoy yourself then. I'm off the EA bashing train. I stopped liking where it was going awhile back.

[Chaoz1994]

 I'm still very much on the fence. I have invested such a huge amount of time into BioWare games, and I have pre-ordered every single BioWare game for at least a decade. But I was badly burnt by Dragon Age II, and (to a lesser extent) ME3. The extended cut did redeem it to SOME extent, and I don't really regret playing it. There was enough closure, and to be honest, until Earth the game was good. Mass Effect 2 was still better, but I had fun with ME3. In fact, the multiplayer was absolutely brilliant, bar the annoying RNG boxes. But I'm still never going to replay it since knowing the ending makes everything until then feel futile.

Dragon age two on the other hand. Ugh. I tried to like it. I tried my best. But I couldn't finish it. The combat felt way too actions for me. Gone were the strategic battles and careful character planning of DA:O. The feeling when I first beat Ser Cauthrine on nightmare, or the end boss of Golems of Amgarrak or whatever it was called. The combat was way too button mashy IMO. But yeah. I don't wanna rant about how much I hated it.

If they make it more like Origins, but maybe a little less clunky, and with TONS of character and build customisation then ill consider it. Mass effect 2 and da:o and NWN are my favourite games of all time. I hope you can still do what you do best with DA3. If not, there's always Age of Decadence, or the banner saga.

[DragonMage95]

If I don't hate EA does that make me a bad person?

[quickthorn]

I'm not 100% sure I'll pre-order but it seems fairly likely. I enjoyed DA:O, Awakening and DA:2, even if it is considered almost heresy to like the latter. This isn't to say that I thought it was without flaws, because it had plenty and was obviously rushed. Still, I got bored during parts of DA:O, so I didn't find that game perfect either. Nor any game.

I seem to end up playing more MMOs these days, with all of their flaws and (often) poor storytelling, but I still look out for singleplayer RPG releases, and always feel they are few and far between.

[Bizantura]

EA is a multinational. So are a lot of the competition with the same appalling inhuman despicable ethics, but comprised of a lot of individuals with their own unique ethics. Most individuals are not malicious by nature.

So, yes I am much more wary and not as impulsive as before to buy games especialy as I did during sales.

Concerning Bioware specificly, ending of ME3 aside and DA2 quality decline, they are still amongst the game developpers I enjoy playing the most and therefore inclined to consider a pré-order.

The problem of multinationals is worldwide and every individuals concern the resolve however.......

[ironcreed2]

Yeah, I am invested in the series and have been since day one. Part of me has to believe that BioWare can return to greatness and deliver with DA3. They are taking more time for development, it has a new engine and a larger world for them to fill with Dragon Age goodness. I am actually pretty optimistic.

[unbentbuzzkill]

So..........you're going on record to say you will be pre-ordering a game we know nothing about? good for you, by the way I have some ocean side property in arizona wanna buy it?

[Nefla]

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

So..........you're going on record to say you will be pre-ordering a game we know nothing about? good for you, by the way I have some ocean side property in arizona wanna buy it?

Only if you throw in the Golden Gate for free!

[dancarrero]

I've sworn off preordering games period.I will wait not only for the professional reviews but more importantly, player forum comments.DA2 was the most glitchy, broken game I've ever purchased.It took Bioware about 8 months to get most things fixed, and there are some things that were never fixed,such as porting over Awakening saves.You know that when you buy an Elder Scrolls games there are going to be bugs, but you also know that the modding community will fix it if Bethesda doesn't. No such hope with a Bioware game. All of you that are going to preorder,I thank you for being unpaid beta testers. I have no desire to do Bioware's Q/A work for them.

[Fast Jimmy]

Nefla wrote...

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

So..........you're going on record to say you will be pre-ordering a game we know nothing about? good for you, by the way I have some ocean side property in arizona wanna buy it?

Only if you throw in the Golden Gate for free!

Wow, some classic Country and Western here on the BSN? Color me shocked! 

[unbentbuzzkill]

yep nothings better then some george strait.

[Zeldrik1389]

There's too little information available atm. I would wait till they at least release the trailer to make my decision.

[Forum Ronin]

Willowhugger wrote...

You know what bugs me about fandom? They threw an EPIC fit over Mass Effect 3's ending (perhaps with good reason) and Dragon Age 2 (underwhelming) but all this talk about "being burned" it makes me wonder what exactly they think the alternatives are going to be when/if Bioware doesn't suceed.

Skyrim?
Kingdom of Alamaur? (Oh wait, they don't exist anumore)

NOBODY does games like Bioware does but Bioware.

The characters, the romance, the politics, and everything is awesome.

I'd probably stop playing video games altogether if I couldn't play in their space opera or fantasy worlds.

So I'm pre-ordering Dragon Age: Inquisition because even if it's not as good as DA:O, it'll still be better than 90% of what's out on the market.

That sounds like a really sad premise to buy/sell games on: "Eh, its better than nothing."  People should want a product that they really feel is worth it's value and was made to be the best it could.  You say you don't seem to like their newer games as much as DAO, and just buy them because there aren't alternatives.  But wouldn't you rather they strive to make games closer to what you love, rather than settling?

I don't see what's wrong with having high standards and wanting the products you spend money on to at least strive to meet those standards, rather than just dishing out what they can because they know people will buy out of brand loyalty or lack of alternatives.

The general opinion of Bioware used to be really positive.  Nowadays, whether you're a fan or not, when the topic of Bioware comes up, most people associate them with controversy and unhappy fans.  I don't think magically everyone just decided to start hating Bioware for no reason, and its not something that happens to every company.  As someone who's a fan of most of their products, I don't think they'll be able to last too long if they continue major upsets like with DA2, ME3, and SWTOR.  It's bad publicity, if anything.  I'd rather not see BW as a company EA bleeds all the worth out of and discards, like the fate of so many previous companies/IPs,

As much as people like to brush off any and all criticism toward a company they're loyal to, claiming "Well, they're just unpleasable haters." it doesn't realistically make a lot of sense. A lot of people complaining about game X or Z, point to other games made by the same company, or even other games by other companies, as examples of games they enjoy, so its not about blind hatred, but rather voicing disappointment with a product: Feedback.  I think feedback is something worth voicing, and its up to a company whether they listen to it or not, just as people are free to be displeased with a product.

Modifié par Forum Ronin, 31 mars 2013 - 03:36 .

[LinksOcarina]

Forum Ronin wrote...

Willowhugger wrote...

You know what bugs me about fandom? They threw an EPIC fit over Mass Effect 3's ending (perhaps with good reason) and Dragon Age 2 (underwhelming) but all this talk about "being burned" it makes me wonder what exactly they think the alternatives are going to be when/if Bioware doesn't suceed.

Skyrim?
Kingdom of Alamaur? (Oh wait, they don't exist anumore)

NOBODY does games like Bioware does but Bioware.

The characters, the romance, the politics, and everything is awesome.

I'd probably stop playing video games altogether if I couldn't play in their space opera or fantasy worlds.

So I'm pre-ordering Dragon Age: Inquisition because even if it's not as good as DA:O, it'll still be better than 90% of what's out on the market.

That sounds like a really sad premise to buy/sell games on: "Eh, its better than nothing."  People should want a product that they really feel is worth it's value and was made to be the best it could.  You say you don't seem to like their newer games as much as DAO, and just buy them because there aren't alternatives.  But wouldn't you rather they strive to make games closer to what you love, rather than settling?

I don't see what's wrong with having high standards and wanting the products you spend money on to at least strive to meet those standards, rather than just dishing out what they can because they know people will buy out of brand loyalty or lack of alternatives.

The general opinion of Bioware used to be really positive.  Nowadays, whether you're a fan or not, when the topic of Bioware comes up, most people associate them with controversy and unhappy fans.  I don't think magically everyone just decided to start hating Bioware for no reason, and its not something that happens to every company.

Actually, id argue for some, they did start magically hating BioWare, at least in terms of the overnight change of typical opinions, and the cynic in me pinpoints it to EA paying the bills while BioWare follows their rules like a good company should do. It's the George Lucas effect, people felt upset over something they hold dear, and its almost blood-fueding at that point.

In that same vein, there was a documentary I saw called The People vs George Lucas. While the title is subservient regarding the "charges" against Lucas, its really a fan documentary for the fans, discussing the reason why they love Star Wars. And their passion as fans shows, for good and for ill. In the end its a sort of "zero sum game" which has fans defend or defy what they hold dear in the end; a sort of passion that rang true if you really look at how The Citadel DLC was received and venerated by the fans. No one is right or wrong in the end, and thats sort of the point. It is all about enjoying something

I also encourage you all to watch it, its a really good documentary. 

I hope I am wrong in the end, but honestly, I would bet money that there will be a large minority of people out there who will hate on BioWare because "EA", or "Mass Effect 3" or "Dragon Age II", a sort of reason that will have little to do with Inquisition or its quality. And thats a shame in the end, but also somewhat expected when a cultural touchstone is created. 

[Forum Ronin]

LinksOcarina wrote...

I hope I am wrong in the end, but honestly, I would bet money that there will be a large minority of people out there who will hate on BioWare because "EA", or "Mass Effect 3" or "Dragon Age II", a sort of reason that will have little to do with Inquisition or its quality. And thats a shame in the end, but also somewhat expected when a cultural touchstone is created. 

Is that any worse than the people who play or preorder Inquisition because they liked DAO and DA2?  Is what you say any worse than those who will buy/support a game because its "Bioware"?  Is there anything innately wrong with not buying products from a company who's previous products you were unsatified with, or buying products from a company becayse you were satisfied with their previous products?  It's a matter of reputation and generally just knowing your own tastes.  I don't like playing sports games.  I don't need to evaluate every Madden game as an individual product and rent and try them to know if I want to buy them or not, nor do I think it makes me some kind of evil monstrous hater who hates for no reason.

Do you really think theres no difference between the Star Wars prequels and the originals, and that people just hate the prequels for no reason?  Or that there's no difference between DAO/ME1 and newer Bioware games?  Even the developers have admitted their games continue to progress in a different direction from older games.  I think the people who are unhappy with that genuinely dislike that direction.  You and I are free to agree or disagree with them, but its a matter of different tastes, and I think its a dangerous mindset to writing off, villainize, and dehumanize people as just "magically hating things for no reason".

I dont think you'd find the argument of "You just love anything Bioware makes." as your reason for liking their games to be a valid argument, so I don't see why its a valid argument when turned around.

Modifié par Forum Ronin, 31 mars 2013 - 03:54 .

[LinksOcarina]

Forum Ronin wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

I hope I am wrong in the end, but honestly, I would bet money that there will be a large minority of people out there who will hate on BioWare because "EA", or "Mass Effect 3" or "Dragon Age II", a sort of reason that will have little to do with Inquisition or its quality. And thats a shame in the end, but also somewhat expected when a cultural touchstone is created. 

Is that any worse than the people who play or preorder Inquisition because they liked DAO and DA2?  Is what you say any worse than those who will buy/support a game because its "Bioware"?  Is there anything innately wrong with not buying products from a company who's previous products you were unsatified with, or buying products from a company becayse you were satisfied with their previous products?  It's a matter of reputation and generally just knowing your own tastes.  I don't like playing sports games.  I don't need to evaluate every Madden game as an individual product and rent and try them to know if I want to buy them or not, nor do I think it makes me some kind of evil monstrous hater who "magically" hates for no reason.

You missed the point, dude. 

You are talking about something else, something that is irrelevent regarding reputation. Honestly, a companies reputation mean squat in this case overall outside of a cadre of fans who deem it most important. Tons of fans cry foul against EA or Bllizard or Activision, yet still buy their games because they enjoy them. And my favorite double standard, those who say a certain feature in a game is bad, but then participate or purchase a title that has that same feature, only in a different package.

So is it wrong to hate something blindly or back it staunchly? I can't answer that without sounding like an elitist but my usual response is yes, on both fronts. That makes everyone wrong in the end if this is the path they choose by being foolish enough to follow it. 

If you are  fan of something, however, then its a more layered respone. Its why I don't get fans who are pure cynics, or staunch sycophants. I think both sides are as ridiculous and malleable as reeds in the wind bending to the will of the loudest voice. Truth be told, being a fan of these series, of the studio allows us to complain and bemoan when we think they are off track. It doesn't make us right because were just fans, but it does give us that esoteric knowledge that no one else does. 

Simply put, it doesn't matter if its right or wrong at all, what matters is it will happen irregardless of quality or context. We as fans should recognize this fact, move on from it, and decide things without losing site of what we enjoyed in the first place. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 31 mars 2013 - 04:05 .

[Solmanian]

It's a little early to say "I'm preordering" or "I'll never preorder" or "I'm canceling my preorder"...

There's is very little that could stop me from buying the game eventualy anyway; maybe if they anounce they're using 8bit FF1 style graphics (which would be a terrible waste of the frostbite 2/3 engine). I'm already mid playthrough (middle of awakening, to be precise) in preperation.
My only consideration in preordering is the exclusive items. Day 1 DLC's (like from ashes and exiled prince) that I can buy seperately are meaningless to me. Cross over items like blood dragon armor, nice starter gear like faseshear (it wasn't great, but it was better than the basic crap, so I was always motivated to try new items and not rely on it). I expect the deadspace armor at the very least; it's a plate armor, and it's shown with a 2H sword - making it a rogue armor was a low blow...

[LinksOcarina]

Forum Ronin wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

I hope I am wrong in the end, but honestly, I would bet money that there will be a large minority of people out there who will hate on BioWare because "EA", or "Mass Effect 3" or "Dragon Age II", a sort of reason that will have little to do with Inquisition or its quality. And thats a shame in the end, but also somewhat expected when a cultural touchstone is created. 

Do you really think theres no difference between the Star Wars prequels and the originals, and that people just hate the prequels for no reason?  Or that there's no difference between DAO/ME1 and newer Bioware games?  Even the developers have admitted their games continue to progress in a different direction from older games.  I think the people who are unhappy with that genuinely dislike that direction.  You and I are free to agree or disagree with them, but its a matter of different tastes, and I think its a dangerous mindset to writing off, villainize, and dehumanize people as just "magically hating things for no reason".

I dont think you'd find the argument of "You just love anything Bioware makes." as your reason for liking their games to be a valid argument, so I don't see why its a valid argument when turned around.

Since you added this quick reply...

To the latter part, I didn't say that so don't put words in my mouth. 

Regarding Star Wars, it was an example of a divide in fanbases over something they love. There is a difference of course, but frankly, some of the hate is unwarranted, much like what I see around here sometimes. I am just going to outright say it, Phantom Menace was a good movie, and the best of the three prequel movies by far, because it was the closest in tone to the previous Star Wars movies overall. 

Does it matter that I think this? No. As a fan I can have such an opinion. Am I wrong, sure. Enough crap in the movie can justify the opposite opinion.  But it won't stop me from being a fan in the end either if I think something sucks, and that is the part that I don't understand, the way some fans turn their allegiances on a dime for whatever reason it may be, and never look back because they felt burned. That to me boggles my mind. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 31 mars 2013 - 04:09 .

[Solmanian]

I'm sorry, but attack of the clones was the best because it had the most pew pew. That's why it got a decent spin-off tv series.