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[Auld Wulf]

@spirosz

I've never said otherwise. Give me evidence that what you're saying is truth.

[Steelcan]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@Steelcan

Sovereign: I don't have an answer to that question without speculating.

Geth: Why would the civilians be defending the geth if they did that?

. So you don't have any evidence to back up your pint about the Reapers beyond your own head canon.

Because the civilians thought he war was wrong AT FIRST.  then when the geth slaughtered everyone they saw public opinion turned.

[spirosz]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@spirosz

I've never said otherwise. Give me evidence that what you're saying is truth.

I can say the same for you.  

[essarr71]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@essarr71

You may think you're being clever, but all I'm doing is pointing out objective contradictions.

ME3 - The Catalyst: The Reapers are created under his control.
ME1 - Sovereign: A Reaper who doesn't obey the cycle.

Yes.  A Reaper sitting around in dark space for 50k+ years waiting to call the Harvest is displaying an ample amount of rebellion.

I wash my hands of this weirdness.

[Steelcan]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@essarr71

You may think you're being clever, but all I'm doing is pointing out objective contradictions.

ME3 - The Catalyst: The Reapers are created under his control.
ME1 - Sovereign: A Reaper who doesn't obey the cycle.

. He makes the cycles possible!  That's why he opens the relay.

[Auld Wulf]

@Steelcan

Strawman. I said that I can't answer your question without speculating. The objective contradiction between ME1 and ME3 still exists.

Where is the evidence that the 'civilians were wrong at first?' Is it stated in the codex or anywhere else?

[Auld Wulf]

@Steelcan

Sovereign also wants to end the cycles by creating a kind of Synthesis. He also wants to take control of the Citadel (the Catalyst).

The objective contradiction exists. I didn't say he had full free will, so yes, he still had to open the relays. I just said that there was some wiggle room.

[Applepie_Svk]

essarr71 wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

@Steelcan

I don't understand ...

Amazing.

[Steelcan]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@Steelcan

Strawman. I said that I can't answer your question without speculating. The objective contradiction between ME1 and ME3 still exists.

Where is the evidence that the 'civilians were wrong at first?' Is it stated in the codex or anywhere else?

. Yes it's a contradiction it's the result of not planning a series very well.

Legion says that civilians who opposed the war were "evantually outnumbered" implying they were the majority at one point.  Then their stance shifted, likely after the quarians started being slaughtered wholesale.

[Steelcan]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@Steelcan

Sovereign also wants to end the cycles by creating a kind of Synthesis. He also wants to take control of the Citadel (the Catalyst).

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. So you are just ignoring what we are told in game and substituting your own head canon.  I think we are done here

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I laugh at everyone who wastes their time trying to argue with Auld Wulf, and wish to remind them that he is in fact Kim Jong-un. It is the only explanation I have for his Seival-esque disconnection from reality, both within the confines of ME, and in everyday life...

Only Kim Jong-un is that disconnected to the universe.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 29 mars 2013 - 04:47 .

[Auintus]

Argolas wrote...

A place where people have no flaws. Every person I claim to know well enough to make that kind of statement, including my loved ones, is at least partly defined by their flaws and mistakes they made.

What kind of flaws? Flaws are bad. Inherently, that's why they are called flaws. Mistakes would still be made. Improving the organic structure doesn't make everyone infallible. Everyone would still be unique.

[Auintus]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Easily. Diseases could adapt and become worse. Thinks like parasites might get affect in some way (im no science expert but its a possibility).

Also wars will still be a problem. The Genophage is cured in synthesis even if you sabotaged it correct? If so the Krogan (mostly if Wreav is in charge) would majorly expand and cause problem/get revenge. Any conflict that arrives everybody will pull the Reapers into the middle of it.

Im not saying synthesis will definitely be worse but it could cause its fair share of issues.

Hard to tell. Parasites are definitely a form of life, but Synthesis seemed constrained to sentient races. Then again, we never got to see any animals post-Synthesis. Just imagine a synthetic-organic varren.

I'm not sure about that, I never sabotage the genophage. I imagine the Reapers would help keep the peace, which could cause trouble of its own considering their apparent black-and-white view of things. Of course, that could have changed after Synthesis as well. All and all, not enough data is available to make predictions of that degree.

[Auintus]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@Steelcan

Sovereign also wants to end the cycles by creating a kind of Synthesis. He also wants to take control of the Citadel (the Catalyst).

The objective contradiction exists. I didn't say he had full free will, so yes, he still had to open the relays. I just said that there was some wiggle room.

He wanted to take control of the Citadel so that he could open the relays to the Reapers in dark space. Y'know, how it was supposed to be before the Prothean's interfered with the Keepers and reprogrammed them not to do that? That's how the Reapers whipped the Protheans, the Keepers opened the relay to invite the Reapers to the center of civilized space. Sovereign was trying to reestablish the cycle, not prevent it.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Auintus wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

@Steelcan

Sovereign also wants to end the cycles by creating a kind of Synthesis. He also wants to take control of the Citadel (the Catalyst).

The objective contradiction exists. I didn't say he had full free will, so yes, he still had to open the relays. I just said that there was some wiggle room.

He wanted to take control of the Citadel so that he could open the relays to the Reapers in dark space. Y'know, how it was supposed to be before the Prothean's interfered with the Keepers and reprogrammed them not to do that? That's how the Reapers whipped the Protheans, the Keepers opened the relay to invite the Reapers to the center of civilized space. Sovereign was trying to reestablish the cycle, not prevent it.

Do not dispute the Wulf! 

[KENNY4753]

@Auintus

I know none of had my post had much solid eveidence. It was just some what-ifs. But thats all we can do since synthesis was portrayed as perfection. Nothing is perfect and nobody is perfect. Not even life post-synthesis. People say high-ems destroy is the "disney ending" but BW clearly tried to make that synthesis.

The fact that the Reapers are alive means trouble is going to eventually happen. Any disaggrement will lead to Reaper intervention (since they are clearly stronger than every other race combined). Whether they want to or not they.

Again I know this is a lot of speculating but that is really all BW left us with.

[Display Name Owner]

Haven't read earlier replies, don't know if this thread is even about what I think it's about but, eh...

I think people misunderstand the way a Reaper's mind works, which is fair enough since everything we thought we knew about them was turned on it's head in the last 5 minutes. Anyway, I don't think they are literally millions of minds enslaved by a giant machine. The people used to make a Reaper are gone, dead. They don't exist any more. They are just broken down and their materials are used to create something entirely new. Their minds don't persist, how can they when their brains are literally melted down.

A Reaper isn't a hivemind, as Legion describes it it's one individual possessing many minds. I guess that means it can think in a broader and more advanced way than we can imagine, but it is still one individual. There was one Sovereign and one Harbinger. Each one was an 'I', not a 'we'.

[F4H bandicoot]

Auld Wulf wrote...

@Steelcan

Explain Sovereign resisting the Catalyst's control. Even slightly.

What Sovereign wants is different to the Catalyst and the rest of the Reapers, he wants a version of Synthesis rather than the continued harvest. He even tries to countermand the Catalyst by trying to seize and hack the Citadel.

How is this possible if they have no form of free will?

[Megaton_Hope]

Sovereign is taking control of the Citadel to begin the Reaper assault. It's his job, the one he was given by the Reapers as the "vanguard of our destruction," to open the Citadel's mass relay and bring the rest of the fleet into Citadel space. We get all this from Vigil.

Of course, this job should have been done by the keepers. They were obstructed by the Prothean scientists who traveled to the Citadel using the Conduit:

[CronoDragoon]

isnudo wrote...
A Reaper isn't a hivemind, as Legion describes it it's one individual possessing many minds. I guess that means it can think in a broader and more advanced way than we can imagine, but it is still one individual. There was one Sovereign and one Harbinger. Each one was an 'I', not a 'we'.

"We are Harbinger."

?

[robertthebard]

CronoDragoon wrote...

isnudo wrote...
A Reaper isn't a hivemind, as Legion describes it it's one individual possessing many minds. I guess that means it can think in a broader and more advanced way than we can imagine, but it is still one individual. There was one Sovereign and one Harbinger. Each one was an 'I', not a 'we'.

"We are Harbinger."

?

Misquotes FTW?  "We are the Harbinger of your Destruction".