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#101
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 I'd say that there are is no "worst" race in each class, but I would say that some are less effective verses certain factions.

Reapers
Adept: Krogan. The lack of dodge and the focus on close-quarters that comes with Barrier and Shockwave leads to his proclivity for being executed by Banshees and Brutes. Slaughters minions, but any Adept does that.
Soldier: Turian Havoc. Does not do enough damage because of the lack of grenades. Havoc Strike leads to the same problems that mean the downfall of the aforementioned Krogan Shaman. However, Cryo Blast is handy against armor and he does have better defensive stats.
Engineer: Saboteur. Lacks a strong offensive power that can be used effectively against a large group of people. Homing Grenades are strong against Banshees, but you have to find a way to drop their barriers first. Only two enemies can be hit with Sabotage, and they are both easily dealt with anyways.
Sentinel: Volus. This is the only class that I would say unequivocably sucks. He is good for nothing besides supporting teammates with Shield Boost, and you can use an Adept for that.
Infiltrator: All are good against the Reapers, but I'd say the worst is the N7 Shadow. She's very squishy without the Geth's accuracy and rate of fire bonuses.
Vanguard: Volus. He just seems very out-of-place in the Vanguard category. I use him just like the Adept: I avoid biotic charge and focus on Shield Boosting.

Geth
Adept: N7 Fury. For a character that relies on speed, the frequent staggerlocks that Geth throw out are a death sentence. Shaman actually works very well here, since Geth lack instakills.
Soldier: Geth Juggernaut. I let personal bias get in the way here: I hate this character, but I know some who swear by it. All of the other soldiers are strong.
Engineer: Vorcha. It can't deal with armor very effectively, and it can't deal with shields at all. Another wonky character.
Sentinel: Volus. All of these are going to be Volus.
Infiltrator: Drell. As much as I love Infidrells, they don't cut it against Geth because of the same problem the Fury has. Being locked in one place is a death sentence against Rockets, Railguns, shotguns, and flamethrowers. And that's assuming the bombers ignore you.
Vanguard: Drell. Same reason as the Infiltrator and Adept. He can't refill his barriers without extremely judicious play.

Cerberus
Adept: Justicar. Reave may be one of the best powers in the game, but that doesn't save this class from being very ineffective against Cerberus. Biotic Bubble is very prone to lag, and running in to deploy it often leads to death. Likewise, Pull doesn't work against armored targets, and the explosions are worthless anyways. If you've got a trooper in the air, just shoot him. It's faster than the cooldown.
Soldier: Geth Juggernaut. See above, but he is more useful due to his ability to soak up Phantom swords.
Engineer: Saboteur. His Sabotage can affect every unit but Phantoms, and they will give you Hell for choosing this class. His relative lack of dealing with shields is his undoing.
Infiltrator: Huntress. She can't deal with Shields, and all Cerberus have them besides Guardians and Assault Troopers.
Vanguard: Volus. Very awkward in general, stick with the Adept.

Collectors
Adept: Collector. He can only use his powers once every eight seconds or so, and the Collectors come much faster and harder than that allows. Also, he doesn't have Warp, and the Collectors like their high-armor units.
Soldier: Human and BF3 are equally bad. Despite Adrenaline Rush being a fantastic power, especially with a Claymore, they just can't keep up with the Collectors. Frag Grenades, Carnage, and Concussive Shot are all equally antiquated by high armor values.
Engineer: Vorcha. Armor makes this character look like an imbecile due to his lack of a flammenwerfer. Also, he's very squishy unless you stack Bloodlust with Abominations and Troopers, and those run out by wave four or five.
Infiltrator: Quarian Female. Despite her nice assets (keep it professional), she lacks a continuous means of eliminating armor. Sticky Grenades work well, but they have to be fully specced for Armor Damage, and they are finite. She does slay mooks very well though, but every Infiltrator does.
Vanguard: Cabal. It pains me to say this, but the Cabal sucks against Collectors. Her powers revolve around the use of Poison Strike to get behind bosses, but the problem is that the Collector mooks support the Praetorians and Scions very well. I often Poison Strike through a Praetorian into a couple of Possessed Captains.

Well, that's my opinion. If you disagree; fine. 

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so it seems the generally most hated classes are the battlefield soldier, the ex-cerbs, the volus vanguard and sentinel, and the turian and vorcha engineers. I personally hate the quarian marksmen due to the fact that he has no crowd control whatsoever, which is essential in this game, but i understand the BF3 kit hate. I don't really understand any batarian hate, their passives make them formidable with any build

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Adepts: Phoenix (Weakest overall)
Solider: Quarian (Sabotage and on health fix really hurt this kit)
Engineer: Quarian Female (Too many reasons to list)
Sentinal: Warlord (Of all the Sentinals, this one is least newbie friendly)
Infiltrator: Quarian Female (2 gimpy powers and some really crappy passives)
Vanguard: Vanilla Humans (I see these kits die and rq the most these days)

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joker_jack wrote...

Adepts: Phoenix (Weakest overall)
Solider: Quarian (Sabotage and on health fix really hurt this kit)
Engineer: Quarian Female (Too many reasons to list)
Sentinal: Warlord (Of all the Sentinals, this one is least newbie friendly)
Infiltrator: Quarian Female (2 gimpy powers and some really crappy passives)
Vanguard: Vanilla Humans (I see these kits die and rq the most these days)

i disapprove of this quarian hate

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your-friendly-noggin wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Anyone who says that any of the Volus are the worst in their respective category are fools.

Volus vanguard is the only volus I don't like, however the volus sentinel has the unfortunate problem of being in amongst a great selection of kits.


Volly Vanguard is offensively capable and maybe is the most balanced Volus. Try him with a Reegar.

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oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

Soldier - Vorcha. Cluster Grenades >>> Carnage. I see no reason to ever use him.
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I topped the scoreboard in a platnium match the other day with him just using flamer, blodlust, and my guns (no rocketing spawns either). Was spamming carnage a little too for the challenge. Used it to pick off long range enemies 

The post asks for the wost race for the soldier (has nothing to do with Vorcha Sentinel). You are supposed to compare him to the other soldiers. I can personally think of less effective soldiers than the Vorcha. But that's just my personal opinion

Modifié par sandboxgod, 27 mars 2013 - 01:41 .


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Adept: basic Asari. Crappier version of the human sentinel
Soldier: Quarian Marksman. Absolutely worthless class
Engineer: Salarian. Decoy is worthless. It's a crappier Paladin, essentially.
Sentinel: Volus Mercenary. Again, Decoy is worthless. No reason to choose this over any other volus
Infiltrator: basic human. Not much in the way of standing out in any area
Vanguard: Asari. Stasis sniping is not effective, and neither is anything else on that thing

mandalorian sun wrote...

so it seems the generally most hated classes are the battlefield soldier, the ex-cerbs, the volus vanguard and sentinel, and the turian and vorcha engineers. I personally hate the quarian marksmen due to the fact that he has no crowd control whatsoever, which is essential in this game, but i understand the BF3 kit hate. I don't really understand any batarian hate, their passives make them formidable with any build


I would have said that one, until I did a solo game with it. Carnage followed by an immediate frag grenade causes an immensely strong fire explosion. It's a basic, but powerful class.

I don't get the Turian Saboteur hate. Ditch Sabotage and you've got an excellent heavy weapons platform. Vorcha engineer is great too. Just a general engineer.

Modifié par Verroq, 27 mars 2013 - 01:50 .


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stormrider1012 wrote...

Adept: Volus
Soldier: BF3
Engineer: Vorcha
Sentinel: Volus
Infiltrator: Vanilla Human
Vanguard: Volus


Nice list. Someone knows this game well :wizard:

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Adept: Batarian  (people thing Phoenix is worse thant this guy?  Phoenix isn't  great,but better than this) Both have somewhat limited combo capability but singularity is awesome and smash is at least pretty good in some situations. Batadept should have had Reave rather than warp. This guy may exist to make the Phoenix look better.

Soldier: Havok - Has an argument as the worst class in the game IMHO.

Engineer: Turian. MQE gets pass because Arc grenades are great. Voleng can at least be a decent weapons platform spamming prox mine and is a debuff machine.

Sentinal: Volus

Infiltrator: No class with TC can be bad.  Umm, Human.

Vanguard: Dell/Asari - both are just crappy versions of the adept

Modifié par january42, 27 mars 2013 - 02:09 .


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lightswitch wrote...

BOSSTER23 wrote...

Soldier: Battlefield 3


behemoth7 wrote...

Soldier: Battlefield 3


Kabus327 wrote...

Souldier: Battlefield 3-> Quarian Marksman beats it


stormrider1012 wrote...

Soldier: BF3


HusarX wrote...

Soldier : BF Soldier, cos' of Carnage cooldown.


NuclearTech76 wrote...

Soldier: Battlefield 3


iOnlySignIn wrote...

Soldier - Battlefield 3


Jestersmile wrote...

Soldier: Battlefield 3


Versus Omnibus wrote...

Soldier: Battlefield 3 Soldier



:blink:

What the #$%&^@#@ kool aid have you all been drinking? I am...flabbergasted...amazed...appalled.

I've been toying with the idea of making a BF3 soldier montage for quite some time now. Now I realize that I need to, for the good of the community.

Heavens...I just don't even...BSN I am dissappoint


You shouldn't be. It's a mediocre (at best) kit.

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january42 wrote...

Adept: Batarian  (people thing Phoenix is worse thant this guy?  Phoenix isn't  great,but better than this) Both have somewhat limited combo capability but singularity is awesome and smash is at least pretty good in some situations. Batadept should have had Reave rather than warp. This guy may exist to make the Phoenix look better.

Soldier: Havok - Has an argument as the worst class in the game IMHO.

Engineer: Turian. MQE gets pass because Arc grenades are great. Voleng can at least be a decent weapons platform spamming prox mine and is a debuff machine.

Sentinal: Volus

Infiltrator: No class with TC can be bad.  Umm, Human.

Vanguard: Drell/Asari - both are just crappy versions of the adept

She is way better than the Asari Adept, and I hope Deerber can make you listen about the awesomeness that is the Drellgod

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DMX0002 wrote...

january42 wrote...

Vanguard: Drell/Asari - both are just crappy versions of the adept

She is way better than the Asari Adept, and I hope Deerber can make you listen about the awesomeness that is the Drellgod


What do they do that adept can't? 

DA- spawn bombing machine.  DV - less good agaisnt spawns.  Not durable enough to survive long when charging.  Less good against everything really.  Should have had reave rather than pull.

AA -  Good general utilty adept.  AV - Not durable eough to charge in really. KSen can bomb spawns better in the exact same way. (Lift grenades arn't bad, but not great either).  VA is a better statsis sniper.

I'm not saying it's impossible to play them well(really,  player skill can cover for alot)...but there are better kits out there in both cases.

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Vanilla Human Infi is bad? You guys haven't played QFI. That class literally has only Tactical Cloak.

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palmof40sorrows wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

BOSSTER23 wrote...
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:blink:

What the #$%&^@#@ kool aid have you all been drinking? I am...flabbergasted...amazed...appalled.

I've been toying with the idea of making a BF3 soldier montage for quite some time now. Now I realize that I need to, for the good of the community.

Heavens...I just don't even...BSN I am dissappoint


You shouldn't be. It's a mediocre (at best) kit.


:blink: So Vanillia Human is a mediocre kit too?

And don't even mention Concussive shot or I'm gonna kick somebody in the nuts.

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All volus except perhaps the engineer. Almost without exception, every PUG Volus I have ever encountered has been at best worthless but funny and at worst a liability.

Turian saboteur is the worst engineer. I say this despite liking playing as him, probably just because he's a turian with jet boots and that will never stop being funny to me.

Human Infiltrator is good, just outclassed.

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january42 wrote...

Adept: Batarian  (people thing Phoenix is worse thant this guy?  Phoenix isn't  great,but better than this) Both have somewhat limited combo capability but singularity is awesome and smash is at least pretty good in some situations. Batadept should have had Reave rather than warp. This guy may exist to make the Phoenix look better.

Uh, no. Slasher is one of the strongest adepts. It's not slowed down by Lash like the cerberus guys are, and Warp lets you make stronger biotic explosions with cluster grenades than Reave does. Also one of the most durable adepts. The most durable, in fact, behind the Shaman. Throw any assault rifle on there and you've got a biotic soldier. It's an excellent class. If you think it's bad, then you have no idea how to play it.

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Adept: Krogan Shaman - He seems like a Kroguard minus the -guard. Whats the point? I guess if you want to be really tanky and use biotics?

Soldier: Krogan Soldier? - Almost every other class seems to provide a decent advantage, either some sort of DPS benefit to themselves or others (Human Soldiers, Turian Soldier, Quarian Soldier) or a truly beneficial power or service (Geth Trooper, Batarian Soldier, Geth Juggy). Batarian does the same thing as the Krogan but with Ballistic Blades.

Engineer: Either Turian Sab/Quarian Engineer/Vorcha Engi. Quarian Engineer has always been that class that reeked of "what am I doing with my life?" but looking at the Sab's powers, I wasn't much impressed either. As for the Vorcha, he is kind of like the Krogan . . . the only thing he has going for him is durabiliy.

Sentinel: Batarian Sentinel - Wanted to like Submission Net, ended up sucking mostly. Doesn't provide a good role.

Infiltrator: Human Infiltrators - Cryo Blast sucks and Sticky Grenades suck. All other Infiltrators have better powers.

Vanguard: Cabal - Haven't figured her out yet, and with her bugginess, it looks like that will be permanent.

EDIT: Why the total Volus hate? I get that they have a lot of weaknesses, but running Platinum matches with a Volus and rarely coming in last place, they can contribute a lot of firepower in addition to shield-boosting. That said, I don't care for the Sentinel, he seems the worst-setup of the bunch

Modifié par DarkerCompanion, 27 mars 2013 - 05:30 .


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Adept: Volus.
Soldier: Quarian.
Engineer: Turian
Sentinel: Volus.
Infiltrator: FemQuarian
Vanguard: Turian.

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Adept  Volus
Engineer Vorcha
Infil vanilla human
Sol BF3
Sent Turian
vanguard Volus gets alot of hate but I bet they are plying off host. Dislike the cabal much more than the volus currently.

Modifié par Sarth67, 27 mars 2013 - 05:38 .


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january42 wrote...

Adept: Batarian  (people thing Phoenix is worse thant this guy?  Phoenix isn't  great,but better than this) Both have somewhat limited combo capability but singularity is awesome and smash is at least pretty good in some situations. Batadept should have had Reave rather than warp. This guy may exist to make the Phoenix look better.


You are doing it wrong. 

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Adept: Battarian
Soldier: Battarian
Engineer: Vorcha
Sentinel: Volus
Infiltrator: Huntress
Vanguard: Volus

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Heldarion wrote...

Vanilla Human Infi is bad? You guys haven't played QFI. That class literally has only Tactical Cloak.


Um, she also has tech vulnerability & backfire. Sticky grenades also will absorb your ammo type if memory recalls (havent played with her after I exceeded the 200 waves thing)

Vanilla infiltrators are not bad. You know, they're infiltrators anyway. But I'd take the FQI over them.

Here's a good read on a Melee FQI btw

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lightswitch wrote...

:blink:

What the #$%&^@#@ kool aid have you all been drinking? I am...flabbergasted...amazed...appalled.

I've been toying with the idea of making a BF3 soldier montage for quite some time now. Now I realize that I need to, for the good of the community.

Heavens...I just don't even...BSN I am dissappoint

Yeah, BF3 Soldier at his blandest can be specced just like an AR+frags HSo, which is commonly seen as an upper tier kit (it is, imo). At his most distinct, he can be specced for Frag+Carnage for FE's while still having AR, but not being as tanky or having to forgo the shield restore evo for the bonus pwoer evo on AR. Neither way is bad at all.

Problem is, none of the soldiers really stand out as 'bad' kits if ur manifest is decent.

Vanilla Human? AR is one of the best abilities in the game, and he can still (kinda) spawn nuke.
Krogan? FE's everywhere and destroys armor, or can be good as a tanky melee or heavy weapons build.
Vanilla Turian? MM is up there w/ AR, and he has PM or CS for CC and detonations.
Vorcha? Not as good as the sentinel, but any kit w/ flamer that can also potentially self-combo can't be bad. Plus, health regen and good mobility.
Quarian? He may be less versatile as the Turian w/o the stability and detonator power, but still having Tac Scan and MM makes him a strong debuffer and burst dps weapons user.
Batarian? BB and Infernos all day erryday for mass destruction, and is still pretty tanky even w/o the aoe stuns.
Destroyer? His only major flaw is move-speed; he's been nerfed a bit in the past for good reason, and he's still great.
Geth Trooper? flame errything or a fast wall-hacking weapons platform- either way he's excellent.
Juggy? The game's first real tank that laughs at SKs and has deployable cover? He's slow and mostly needs heavy wepaons to kill, sure, but no way he's weak.
Havoc? He's not the best, but after the buffs he's good as a higher risk shock trooper and debuffer, w/ OP grenade gear making him less risky.

If I had to put the Havoc, Vorcha, or Quarian (all at least decent kits) as the weakest, then that means the class as a whole is pretty f-ing powerful.

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ToLazy4Name wrote...

Anyone who says that any of the Volus are the worst in their respective category are fools.


Put away that blind Volus love for a sec.

Adepy, Vanguard, and Engineer are somewhat viable. But what's your argument about the Sentinel?

Adept: Volus
Soldier: Quarian
Sentinel: Volus
Engineer: Vorcha
Infiltrator: Human
Vanguard: Phoenix

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BOSSTER23 wrote...

Adept:  Volus
Soldier: Battlefield 3
Engineer: Salarian
Sentinel: Volus
Infiltrator: Quarian
Vanguard: Volus


Invalid, he has AR, no kit with AR can be bad.

Adept: Volus
Soldier: Quarian Marksman
Engineer: Vorcha
Sentinel: Volus
Infiltrator: Any class with TC can't be bad, but if I have to vote, N7 Shadow because she can't SS Atlases
Vanguard: (Only Off-Host) = N7 Slayer