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#51
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Willowhugger wrote...

Lily and Jowan 4EVER!


No, both idiots. Both got what they deserved. 

Jowan lied to my PC and Lily about not being a blood mage, even though I would help him anyway if he was honest.
And Lily didn't come with Jowan just because he was a blood mage, so much for real love. ( From her dialogue it was clear that she was not pissed at Jowan so much for lying, which would be a legit reason, but she was pissed at him for being a blood mage, which is not such a legit reason. )

So yeah, let Lily rot in Aeonar. 

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You are Inquisitor, saving somebody from the prison doesn't fit. Maybe sent some people there.

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Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

You are Inquisitor, saving somebody from the prison doesn't fit. Maybe sent some people there.


This isn't Warhammer. Sean Connery's character in the Name of the Rose (Sherlock Holmes, basically) was an Inquisitor.

Besides, I'm going to be "free mages and destroy templars" Inquisitor if it lets me.

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I'm really surprised Bioware hasn't used an Aeonar jail break yet. Escaping from some crazy haunted mage prison seems pretty rad.

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This would only be interesting if The Warden was going to be the PC and of course had being a Mage. Otherwise any potential impact such an encounter could have is diminished as the inquisitor isn't going to be the Warden. With a new PC, Lily would be someone of whom the inquisitor knows nothing and cares even less about.

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XM-417 wrote...

This would only be interesting if The Warden was going to be the PC and of course had being a Mage. Otherwise any potential impact such an encounter could have is diminished as the inquisitor isn't going to be the Warden. With a new PC, Lily would be someone of whom the inquisitor knows nothing and cares even less about.


True, plus only people that played the mage origin would really "get it" (although I think everyone probably has at some point). Still, I guess it would be kinda sad to find her in a complete state all skin 'n' bones and completely trashed mentally after years of torture... or whatever it is they do to people locked up in there.

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It'd be an homage to those who played Mage Warden and, presumably, we'd learn her situation from her first hand for those who haven't.

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Well I dunno, given the way blood mages are seen in Thedas (which IMO is not really unjustified, since regardless of it being just a tool in theory, actual blood mages do seem to be disproportionately disreputable), and what with her being a Chantry initiate herself, I think it would be harder to justify her not being mortified to find out Jowan is a blood mage.


Yeah.

Visiting Aeonar would be pretty cool, and running into Lily would indeed be a nice little easter egg.

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I've always been a little baffled/intrigued by Aeonar. It always reminded me of Azkaban; a terrible place specifically for mages, since the veil is so thin there that it adds a layer of torture onto the poor things. It also sorta makes a twisted kind of sense that the intention in sending mages there would be to tell the "guilty" from "innocent" since they would draw on the Fade to bust out (sort of like how Salem witches were burned and only the "guilty" would have survived immolation).

So, that being said... why would you send an errant, non-magical priestess there? Don't they have, erm, civilian prisons? That just seemed a little cruel and unusual.

It also seemed odd (in a small number statistics sort of way) that Kinloch Hold didn't have its own dungeons, like the Gallows and the White Spire seem to have.

Anyway, for all these reasons, I've love to go to Aeonar just to see it. It would be an interesting easter egg to run into the incarcerated from past games, like Lily. I would expect that only if you had that particular import, though.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 27 mars 2013 - 08:12 .


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I have the solution.  If you hold "TAB", just have one of the generic prisoners in the background named Lily.  Oh the fun!  :lol:

KainD wrote...

Willowhugger wrote...

Lily and Jowan 4EVER!


No, both idiots. Both got what they deserved. 

Jowan lied to my PC and Lily about not being a blood mage, even though I would help him anyway if he was honest.
And Lily didn't come with Jowan just because he was a blood mage, so much for real love. ( From her dialogue it was clear that she was not pissed at Jowan so much for lying, which would be a legit reason, but she was pissed at him for being a blood mage, which is not such a legit reason. )

So yeah, let Lily rot in Aeonar. 



It's actually a very good reason.  Blood magic is seen as evil by the Chantry.  She's more than willing to see Jowan as a person, and even support him as an apostate.  But as a blood mage?  She just about found out that Jowan is cannibal who considers babyflesh a delicacy.   <_<

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I can't think of any specific or good reason to spring Lily from wherever she is being held. I'm sure there are plenty of other people out there who can do her job better than she can. I highly even doubt she could be properly considered a rogue anyway; I'm sure the developers gave her that class just as a combat role because she's no warrior nor is she a mage so her obscure and unspecific role in society was designated to rogue purely for gameplay purposes.

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She doesn't have to be the reason you're visiting, you could just stumble upon her while on your business doing whatever in the dungeon. Maybe something went terribly wrong and then you come upon this sister in a Chantry robe, begging you to take her with you, swearing she is just part of the Prison staff.

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I'd leave the fat cow in there. XD

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Lily is probably not even there anymore. Aeonar is "is a trial-by-fire to determine if the mages (or other people exposed to blood mages) are possessed." http://social.biowar...96540/2#5598641

Modifié par erilben, 27 mars 2013 - 11:17 .


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erilben wrote...

Lily is probably not even there anymore. Aeonor is "is a trial-by-fire to determine if the mages (or other people exposed to blood mages) are possessed." http://social.biowar...96540/2#5598641


Interesting. So I wonder if she's even alive then. How would she be able to prove she wasn't possessed? And what would they do with someone like her after if she passed their tests? (assuming their tests aren't a "you prove your innocence by death" type of test)

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Well she's a collaborator with a Blood Mage so I imagine she'll just spend the rest of her life there. It's not a matter of being possessed.

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BlueMagitek wrote...

It's actually a very good reason.  Blood magic is seen as evil by the Chantry.  She's more than willing to see Jowan as a person, and even support him as an apostate.  But as a blood mage?  She just about found out that Jowan is cannibal who considers babyflesh a delicacy.   <_<


If she see's Jowan for the person he is, then blood magic shouldn't be a problem, not only that but he only used it to protect HER, and said that he is going to give it up, that he doesn't care about magic at all and will give it all up. 

But I guess more blame is on Jowan again, he should know better than to fall in love with zealots, who have chantry propaganda in their hearts deeper than they can have love for him. 

Modifié par KainD, 28 mars 2013 - 03:52 .


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Willowhugger wrote...

Well she's a collaborator with a Blood Mage so I imagine she'll just spend the rest of her life there. It's not a matter of being possessed.


Aeonar doesn't keep people. It is for testing people for demon possession. Lily was either found to be possessed and executed, or she was released from Aeonar. I don't know what they do with someone after they pass the test, or if it's even possible to pass their tests. Either way, she shouldn't be there 10+ years later.

Modifié par erilben, 28 mars 2013 - 04:09 .


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You don't have to be a zealot to be scared pantsless of blood mages. I feel like you guys really don't understand Thedas (or are just irrationally pro-mage [/flameshield]) to be so harsh on Lily about this.

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I don't get all the "Inquisitors don't go to Aeonar. That doesn't make any sense for the story" posts.

We don't know what the heck new Inquisitors do or why it would or wouldn't be a waste of time to retrieve someone from the prison.

Agree, though, that Lily is probably possessed or dead or tortured beyond the point of sanity by this point. And she's probably been violated by her fair share of templars. :(

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I disagree as I think you're making a lot of assumptions. Gregoir doesn't make any implications she's going to be tested for possession or believe she's testing--he thinks she's a collaborator with a Blood Mage.

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Filament wrote...

You don't have to be a zealot to be scared pantsless of blood mages. I feel like you guys really don't understand Thedas (or are just irrationally pro-mage [/flameshield]) to be so harsh on Lily about this.


It's just me, not a lot of people feel the same about Lily and Jowan.
I am just a person that values friendship and love bonds very highly. it isn't just about blood magic, it can be ANY situation. If my friend/lover would commit a crime for example, I wouldn't turn him/her in, but would instead help to cover the tracks. Not because I support crime, it woudln't be pleasant for me to know that, but because I value bonds above laws and above most morals. 
I tend to roleplay myself in games, and that's why I am not pissed at Jowan for braking circle rules and being a blood mage, but I am pissed at him for lying to me, because that's not what friends do, they should be honest. And that's why I am pissed at Lily, because the fact that Jowan is a blood mage matters to her more, than "love". 

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I think this would be a cool quest, maybe DLC?

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brushyourteeth wrote...

Agree, though, that Lily is probably possessed or dead or tortured beyond the point of sanity by this point. And she's probably been violated by her fair share of templars. :(


Her own fault.