We'd need a Thedosian equivalent to the Age of Enlightenment which might take centuries to occur before any social reform occurs for mundanes and elves, possibly further if they'd ever integrate mages.
Rescue Lily from the Aeonar
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#177
Posté 30 mars 2013 - 12:46
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Dave of Canada wrote...
We'd need a Thedosian equivalent to the Age of Enlightenment which might take centuries to occur before any social reform occurs for mundanes and elves, possibly further if they'd ever integrate mages.
It may not need centuries to occur, just a few "enlightened" player characters over the course of the Dragon Age. Assuming, of course, there aren't PC's who want to actively make things worse.
#178
Posté 30 mars 2013 - 03:11
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Which is why they're idiots. When they live in better living conditions than the majority of Thedas, they're not allowed to complain.
Yes, it's the 5 star Hotel you can't leave.
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Posté 30 mars 2013 - 05:12
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It could be heaven or it could be hell... lots of mages seem to think hell.
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Posté 30 mars 2013 - 05:21
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In Asunder, a couple of mages are surprised that they can't find any written signs in Orlais' countryside because it doesn't even ocurr to them that not everyone has such an easy acess to an education like mages do. The truth is that most of them have idea how hard life can be for "free" non-mages.
Take their powers away and force them to live for a month as an elf in an Alienage or a slave in Tevinter or a peasant in an outlying farm in Ferelden or the Anderfels.
I expect most of them would beg to return to the Circle afterwards.
Take their powers away and force them to live for a month as an elf in an Alienage or a slave in Tevinter or a peasant in an outlying farm in Ferelden or the Anderfels.
I expect most of them would beg to return to the Circle afterwards.
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Posté 30 mars 2013 - 05:29
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Yes they should be grateful prisoners because hey at least they're not slaves.
#182
Posté 30 mars 2013 - 05:34
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Most mages, of course, have a different view of the outside world than the reality. It's like Zevran (and many City Elves) view of the Dalish. The threat of being made Tranquil for apprentices, execution, and being unable to be anything BUT a mage hurts many.
Of course, I'm of the mind that Mages/Casteless and City Elves should team up for social revolution.
Of course, I'm of the mind that Mages/Casteless and City Elves should team up for social revolution.
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Posté 30 mars 2013 - 05:42
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I'm of the mind that the abomination threat is the only argument that holds any water on the merits of keeping mages locked up (whether they could hypothetically abuse their power or should be grateful for their gilded cage do not fly for me), but it is enough to justify keeping mages locked up at least long enough to be properly educated. After that I'm not sure what a good solution is for letting them go, but they should be at least on some provisional level.
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Posté 30 mars 2013 - 05:49
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They should be grateful that the Chantry devised a system where they are given freedoms, rights, clothes, food, education, beds. The magisters are not so kind and neither are the qunari.Filament wrote...
Yes they should be grateful prisoners because hey at least they're not slaves.
I expect real world medieval society would just drown them at birth.
Who do you think lived better? The mages of Ferelden's Circle or the refugees in Darktown?
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Posté 30 mars 2013 - 05:57
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-Thedas is not real-world medieval society
-that qunari and tevinter commit injustices themselves do not make the Chantry's any less of one
-convenient that you picked Ferelden and not the Gallows, do we include when they were locked in with Uldred's abominations?
-that qunari and tevinter commit injustices themselves do not make the Chantry's any less of one
-convenient that you picked Ferelden and not the Gallows, do we include when they were locked in with Uldred's abominations?
#186
Posté 30 mars 2013 - 05:59
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"Rather be free down here, I guess."Who do you think lived better? The mages of Ferelden's Circle or the refugees in Darktown?
On an overall basis, it's hard to say. Of course, listing "mages" eliminates all the apprentices who were murdered by the Harrowing, which skews the list from the beginning. Beyond that, I suppose it depends on whether you prefer poverty or confinement and constant surveillance. With the ever-present risk of having your whole community slaughtered at a moment's notice.
#187
Posté 30 mars 2013 - 08:47
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I'd love to orchestrate a prison break from Aeonar as an Inquisitor... but Lily might be a lost cause.
Maybe - if in DA2 you sided with the Mages - your Hawke + some of your mage companions (Merrill, Anders, Bethany if they're alive) are inprisoned there and you get the chance to break them out and gain mage support and their help, and by doing so consequently p*** off the Templars/the Chantry/the other Seekers/some of your followers etc. Something like that would be really cool... and it would be a nice place for a cameo or two or four.
Maybe - if in DA2 you sided with the Mages - your Hawke + some of your mage companions (Merrill, Anders, Bethany if they're alive) are inprisoned there and you get the chance to break them out and gain mage support and their help, and by doing so consequently p*** off the Templars/the Chantry/the other Seekers/some of your followers etc. Something like that would be really cool... and it would be a nice place for a cameo or two or four.
#188
Posté 30 mars 2013 - 09:17
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Dave of Canada wrote...
KainD wrote...
But you do realise that mages that consider circle living conditions unacceptable
Which is why they're idiots. When they live in better living conditions than the majority of Thedas, they're not allowed to complain.
Ever hear of the Sword of Damocles?
Mages may live in a situation of relative physical comfort compared to most of the people in the world they inhabit, but they also live with the knowledge that they're constantly living under threat of death or worse. DA:O and DAII both show that the circles are subject to total extermination based on the actions of a handful of individuals, or just one, who may not even be affiliated with that circle if they cause enough outrage.
Which is without discussing the standard consequences of long term incarceration on the mental health of inmates.
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Posté 31 mars 2013 - 10:34
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MisterJB wrote...
They should be grateful that the Chantry devised a system where they are given freedoms, rights, clothes, food, education, beds. The magisters are not so kind and neither are the qunari.Filament wrote...
Yes they should be grateful prisoners because hey at least they're not slaves.
I expect real world medieval society would just drown them at birth.
The fact that things could be worse does not justify injustices. That's not to say that the Circle system is unjust, but just that this argument doesn't work.
As for the Magisters being worse, my impression was that things are about the same, except that the Templars are incapable of blocking magic and thus are less able to put down abominations.
As for the original idea, why not? The Inquisitor wouldn't have any reason to seek her out specifically, but why not encounter her by chance?
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Posté 01 avril 2013 - 03:52
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If I had mind control powers, I'd definitely use them. For good. My good, that is. And maybe fight crime.
