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[Bechter]

heroicmass wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Bechter wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Why do so many people think that Biotic Slash bas become my new "go to" main attack on the Slayer?

There is this "One or the other mentality" like I am either ONLY doing Biotic Slash or ONLY doing Charge/PD.

It's kind of insulting really... I'm more than a one trick pony with the Slayer.

because you are a scrub

QFT

This makes me LOL.

Pot... meet kettle

burn:lol:

Have you seen my banners? I may have to make a "ultimate slayer non biotic slash spammer banner" just to put a end to this discussion.

Paging Bechter's IT department.....

[Stardusk]

caineghis2500 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

6 points in Biotic Slash.

Did not watch.

I would expect nothing less.

one consistent theme I find in some of the most excellent players is their willingness to make their kits as diverse as possible, emphasizing strengths, while downplaying their weaknesses. That means being able to play with a vast array of guns, styles, and thoughtfulness of choosing the right powers and knowing when to use them.

Good Job Mega. Your comments for Biotic Slash remind me of my comments for Electric Slash, and they are quite similar... unfortunately the Tech Combo is bugged *sigh* and isn't as powerful as it could be



Edit: I believe you were one of the first people to take my "bonus charge batarian brawler" into consideration as a thought, back when he was introduced. I introduced the concept later, at a much higher degree of acceptance after time had passed, but i won't forget the people who knew a good argument/novel idea when they saw it.

Lulz, i remember people calling me a moron for choosing bonus power for Biotic Charge... Nubs

I can help you get a video going like this one for the palidins snapfreeze if you want.... Invaderone is love strucked ATM so it's unlikely for him to help you with that.

Duo?

[SierraGHOSTN7]

Great work, guys!

[Caineghis2500]

Stardusk wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

6 points in Biotic Slash.

Did not watch.

I would expect nothing less.

one consistent theme I find in some of the most excellent players is their willingness to make their kits as diverse as possible, emphasizing strengths, while downplaying their weaknesses. That means being able to play with a vast array of guns, styles, and thoughtfulness of choosing the right powers and knowing when to use them.

Good Job Mega. Your comments for Biotic Slash remind me of my comments for Electric Slash, and they are quite similar... unfortunately the Tech Combo is bugged *sigh* and isn't as powerful as it could be



Edit: I believe you were one of the first people to take my "bonus charge batarian brawler" into consideration as a thought, back when he was introduced. I introduced the concept later, at a much higher degree of acceptance after time had passed, but i won't forget the people who knew a good argument/novel idea when they saw it.

Lulz, i remember people calling me a moron for choosing bonus power for Biotic Charge... Nubs

I can help you get a video going like this one for the palidins snapfreeze if you want.... Invaderone is love strucked ATM so it's unlikely for him to help you with that.

Duo?

I'm doing all this from work. When I get home tomorrow we can finish the duo:happy:

Modifié par caineghis2500, 28 mars 2013 - 01:22 .

[donasdogamma]

Hey megabeast thanks for the video. I tested your build out by doing a gold solo glacier/reapers. After testing it I have to agree it's the best slayer build that I have used.
It would have been my fastest gold solo had I not been sync-killed by a banshee on wave 10. 31:00 was my time.
Biotic slash is very situational, but it and the geth scanner was very helpful, by allowing me to still kill things through walls while my sheild gate was down and hiding from ravagers/banshee wap ball.
I didn't miss not having the extra sheilds at all

Modifié par donasdogamma, 28 mars 2013 - 01:37 .

[landylan]

The extra shields are worth more than BS. You get more than just 200 shields since you gain DR coming out of biotic charge. The plus the weight bonus lets me comfortably carry whatever gun I want to with a great recharge speed. I usually go with hurricane and acolyte at 200% I think.

PD kills stuff faster than BS, so there's no reason to ever use BS unless you're terrible with the slayer.

[donasdogamma]

landylan wrote...

The extra shields are worth more than BS. You get more than just 200 shields since you gain DR coming out of biotic charge. The plus the weight bonus lets me comfortably carry whatever gun I want to with a great recharge speed. I usually go with hurricane and acolyte at 200% I think.

PD kills stuff faster than BS, so there's no reason to ever use BS unless you're terrible with the slayer.

I only used BS behind soft cover while waiting for my sheilds to restore. I don't understand how anyone can not see that it is a more effecient way of playing

[Original Twigman]

landylan wrote...
PD kills stuff faster than BS, so there's no reason to ever use BS unless you're terrible with the slayer.

megabeast isnt terrible with the slayer.... so that pretty much trumps the whole outcome of your argument right there

its like you argued that you are wrong....

Modifié par Original Stikman, 28 mars 2013 - 02:09 .

[megabeast37215]

donasdogamma wrote...

Hey megabeast thanks for the video. I tested your build out by doing a gold solo glacier/reapers. After testing it I have to agree it's the best slayer build that I have used.
It would have been my fastest gold solo had I not been sync-killed by a banshee on wave 10. 31:00 was my time.
Biotic slash is very situational, but it and the geth scanner was very helpful, by allowing me to still kill things through walls while my sheild gate was down and hiding from ravagers/banshee wap ball.
I didn't miss not having the extra sheilds at all

Thanks for the kind words

Glad you enjoyed it.

It's nice to be able to mix up your tactics instead of only have 1 method of attack. I don't understand the obsession people have with making him a One-Trick-Pony who can only Charge/PD. Perhaps it comes from all the players who are simply Slash Spammers that gave the class a bad name back in the day... but we (BSN) should be able to move on from that at this point in the game's life.

[megabeast37215]

landylan wrote...

The extra shields are worth more than BS. You get more than just 200 shields since you gain DR coming out of biotic charge. The plus the weight bonus lets me comfortably carry whatever gun I want to with a great recharge speed. I usually go with hurricane and acolyte at 200% I think.

PD kills stuff faster than BS, so there's no reason to ever use BS unless you're terrible with the slayer.

Stop trolling...

Also... who needs DR coming out of Charge? Everything is going to be stagger-locked with Phase Disruptor, so they're not going to shoot you anyway. If you had any experience with the class you'd know this.

Ever played a Melee-specced Slayer? Yeah... that spec only has 625 shields/health too... but no one is saying how that's a bad build.

[Kocka007]

I thought your video was pretty CLEAR on why you took BS over the other alternatives and when to use it. Most people just still have it out for BS/ES from the WGG games when they first came out. Good video Beast.

[megabeast37215]

Kocka007 wrote...

I thought your video was pretty CLEAR on why you took BS over the other alternatives and when to use it. Most people just still have it out for BS/ES from the WGG games when they first came out. Good video Beast.

Thanks buddy. Appreciate it.

You on now? I'm lookin' for a group.

[Original Twigman]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Kocka007 wrote...

I thought your video was pretty CLEAR on why you took BS over the other alternatives and when to use it. Most people just still have it out for BS/ES from the WGG games when they first came out. Good video Beast.

Thanks buddy. Appreciate it.

You on now? I'm lookin' for a group.

im considering getting on in a bit... maybe ill catch you on

[megabeast37215]

Original Stikman wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Kocka007 wrote...

I thought your video was pretty CLEAR on why you took BS over the other alternatives and when to use it. Most people just still have it out for BS/ES from the WGG games when they first came out. Good video Beast.

Thanks buddy. Appreciate it.

You on now? I'm lookin' for a group.

im considering getting on in a bit... maybe ill catch you on

I just snagged Bosster... the lobby is already lookin' up.

[Original Twigman]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Kocka007 wrote...

I thought your video was pretty CLEAR on why you took BS over the other alternatives and when to use it. Most people just still have it out for BS/ES from the WGG games when they first came out. Good video Beast.

Thanks buddy. Appreciate it.

You on now? I'm lookin' for a group.

im considering getting on in a bit... maybe ill catch you on

I just snagged Bosster... the lobby is already lookin' up.

okay. we'll see... no promises

[Kocka007]

At work another hour or so. Be on after, I will hit you up if you are still on.

[Dream-Maker]

This is the exact build I've been using all along, albeit with no Acolyte but Scorpion + Hurricane instead... But everytime I talked about it here people stopped reading at "Biotic Slash : 6 points".

It's sad it took people the release of the cheesy geth scanner to understand that a full maxed properly specced biotic slash with its 1500+ damage at the very least can bring a lot more to the table than 200 miserable points in health and shields, and a meager 10% weapon bonus on a class that basically plays roller coaster with its shield gauge and gets most damage from his powers, but whatever.

I can't understand how people could dismiss a skill that allows to hit 20 meters through walls, can trigger powered up BEs, does a ****load of damage and works as a complement to phase disruptor for long-distance offense when you can't afford to charge. All this because of a small cooldown nerf and the weird idea that this move is a coward move because you need wall protection to use it safely while spamming cheap high damage grenades is of course totally fine and not cheap at all...

Modifié par Dream-Maker, 28 mars 2013 - 03:00 .

[El Franko]

PD/BC if Hosting. Non-PD with a biotic team when not hosting.

I like Mega's build but if you really want the best of both worlds I would either go without fitness or passives. The new power amps on SMGs make a passive less build feasible without losing much.

I like his base melee of 700, so putting points in melee is also another way to build him, especially with the light melee DR.

I like Biotic Slash a lot with a team of biotics all the arguments that is too slow or not as effective don't hold ground IMO. To me it is second to maybe Dark Sphere in biotic explosions.

Even with flamers you can make a case that he is very effective with BS.

Also back teleporting is so easy you can make space anywhere and do BS. Unless you are playing in Dagger or another open map, you can easily keep doing damage and teleporting constantly without taking much damage.

*Forgot to add that the melee is not just cool looking, it gives you damage reduction, it staggers some enemies and buys you enough time to Biotic Charge even off host. It's very important in builds that do not have PD as the main weapon. 

Modifié par El Franko, 28 mars 2013 - 03:02 .

[El Franko]

Dream-Maker wrote...

This is the exact build I've been using all along, albeit with no Acolyte but Scorpion + Hurricane instead... But everytime I talked about it here people stopped reading at "Biotic Slash : 6 points".

It's sad it took people the release of the cheesy geth scanner to understand that a full maxed properly specced biotic slash with its 1500+ damage at the very least can bring a lot more to the table than 200 miserable points in health and shields, and a meager 10% weapon bonus on a class that basically plays roller coaster with its shield gauge and gets most damage from his powers, but whatever.

I can't understand how people could dismiss a skill that allows to hit 20 meters through walls, can trigger powered up BEs, does a ****load of damage and works as a complement to phase disruptor for long-distance offense when you can't afford to charge. All this because of a small cooldown nerf and the weird idea that this move is a coward move because you need wall protection to use it safely while spamming cheap high damage grenades is of course totally fine and not cheap at all...

It's not that, it's because during the FB White Geth farming days it was overused. People would spam BS or ES for 25min. Screen shaking for the win.

[Caineghis2500]

[yahel_]

landylan wrote...

The extra shields are worth more than BS. You get more than just 200 shields since you gain DR coming out of biotic charge. The plus the weight bonus lets me comfortably carry whatever gun I want to with a great recharge speed. I usually go with hurricane and acolyte at 200% I think.

PD kills stuff faster than BS, so there's no reason to ever use BS unless you're terrible with the slayer.

Just tested this build & setup in a public platinum match on PC, it was Rio-Reapers (no Box-Of-Shame). This build is awesome. Thx Mega for the inspiration.

In my eyes, this build USES BS and don´t spams it, it just works like a charm in combination with PD and the benefit of both is so much fun - imagine u PDed down ur shields and while they restore u use BS, plus u have a great tactical awareness through Geth Scanner and always have the option to BC. Synergy effects for the team re great too, u can constantly slow down, stagger and dmg more than one enemy all the time and u can detonate tech- and biosplosions.

The cons with this build can be open maps (e.g. Condor, London) and hack objectives, or when u get lost in the great wide open.

[Dream-Maker]

El Franko wrote...

It's not that, it's because during the FB White Geth farming days it was overused. People would spam BS or ES for 25min. Screen shaking for the win.

Well, this was the case for only one or two weeks after Earth was released. After the nerf, the skill officially became either worthless or either a move used only by cowards because the only way to use it is to camp behind the same wall and spam it like the old FBW days, or at least according to BSN.

Modifié par Dream-Maker, 28 mars 2013 - 04:02 .

[Leeeeeroy jenkins]

The Slayer is by far one my favorite characters. My personal favorite build is:

Biotic charge- damage/force, power synergy, full barrier recharge
Phase Disrupter- damage, knockdown (much better for all the infantry), shields/barriers
N7 Slayer- power damage, power damage
Fitness- melee damage, melee damage, melee damage/power synergy (extra 30% power damage for a heavy melee kill)

I'd take knockdown any day over more shots as it's much better at killing infantry and biotic charge will have cooled down by the time you run out of barriers anyways. The melee is just awesome/fun and if paired with a shotty omni blade you'll 1 hit basically every infantry as long as they have some shields gone, plus you get that sweet extra juice for your hand cannon.

I am curious to try armor damage on the PD paired with an acolyte, that'd definitely be interesting.

[Caineghis2500]

Im such a genius

[himegoto]

Original Stikman wrote...

himegoto wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Why do so many people think that Biotic Slash bas become my new "go to" main attack on the Slayer?

There is this "One or the other mentality" like I am either ONLY doing Biotic Slash or ONLY doing Charge/PD.

It's kind of insulting really... I'm more than a one trick pony with the Slayer.

its difficult for many to disassociate Slash with Spam or Main Attack....

You can't be more blunt than saying "its an accessory move for when the situation of Biotic Charge or PD doesn't fit"

but some still won't get it.

Because

- shield recharge delay is important to him.
- light melee. gives you plenty of time till you can charge again. spam it at the air if caught in a bad spot.
- PD does too good a damage esp against armor. the build should be revolved around it, with of course the acolyte.
- incendiary rounds for FE.
- he still shines better in smaller maps.
- It's no fun playing this kit off host anyway.

And frankly speaking I dont believe many decent players will find the time to use the slash on him than charging and PDing.

Slash is unneeded.

you present a non sequitor, meaning that the argument does not follow. You assume that the above are conditions that are always in play (i.e. "he should use an acolyte" or "what the build should revolve around" or "you should always BC and Light melee" etc.)

It also doesn't follow the statement I made about it being an accessory to situations where BC and PD aren't good choices, which do happen. If anything, it is a clear example of the problem i suggested with my post of being direct and blunt, and having the concept still not addressed or ignored because of a tunnel vision

I dont assume the above are in constant. I just play the kit and the game in platinum and experience tells me the slash is unneeded.

PD > hurricane > BS
This should illusrated the points better.

In addition, 
BS does hit mulitple targets, and det BEs with a good damage. But ask yourself this : How situational is it? 
I never use light melee as a damage dealer if that's what you assumed. I said light melee because it'll allow you to play and deal damage much more aggressively and effectively. Which is why I included my last point, that all charging PD slayers should be the host.

Do enlighten me if you will, at what circumstances are the acolyte, PD, charge, light melee, hurricane, not good enough to be the answer?