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[Zazzerka]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

]Being a civilian isn't a loophole for what you quoted, any more than being a Spectre is a loophole. Shepard isn't a bad leader if he/she sleeps around with the crew because the rules say not to: Shepard is being a bad leader because sleeping around with the crew is an aspect of bad leadership, in the same way that if Shepard couldn't fight or take orders then Shepard wouldn't be a good soldier.

Yeah, fair enough. I have no real reasoning as to why it makes sense to be able to bonk your whole ship.

It's entertaining, but.

[Skullheart]

I would. Romance isn't a must in an epic story. However having a relationship adds realism to the protagonist.

[k.lalh]

I bought and played the ME series without knowing that there will be romances.

If I wanted a game for the romance, I would buy a dating sim.

I'm not saying that I dislike the ME romances (adds depth to the characters) but they really aren't game makers/breakers.

[Ryzaki]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
You know, the contemporary Persona series (read: Persona 3 and Persona 4) is the only series I've played which consistently have made me interested and invested in the idea of player character romances.

Bioware romances by and large don't interest me: Lelenia was the only exception in DAO, but my canonical-Renegade MaleShep was pretty much no-romance, and my FemShep only started romancing Kaiden and Jacob so that their subsequent tragic deaths would help her character arc. Otherwise, most character romances don't hold much an appeal for me (in Mass Effect, in-team subordinate lovin is anathema to my military expectations of leaders and good order: in Dragon Age, few of the females attracted me for various character flaws), and even in more linear/less RPG-ish games I'm more ambivalent. Some canonical romances do it well enough that I nod and think it fits, like in Deus Ex Human Revolution, and others I just roll my eyes.

MUWAHAHAHA you have been corrupted

Oddly I found myself more irked by DEHR but that's mostly because I wanted to punch Megan in the face.

The Persona series... I'm not sure why it is, really: probably not only because the characters are well developed, but because of the length of the interaction before the romance option. The ten-scene social link setting gives a good deal of time to both develop and explore the character, main characters get the whole plot line to interact and develop and possibly flirt, and the strong emphasis on characters maturing over their storyline ends up with the relationship being with a young, self-actualized adult, rather than someone relatively static except in their affections to you.

Plus, Persona 4 really nails down the levers that work on me. Oh, Yumi, why do you have to confess with your back turned, telling me to walk away and break your heart?

I really do wish P3 at least gave you the friends/lovers options. I mean ugggh playing male PC in P3 sucks. That's the main reason i never leveled up the Lover's Arcana. (and yeah I know all the personae I missed out on. Better than dealing with crazy Yukari). [Thankfully in P3 the only personae you really need for endgame is a properly made Messiah and Lucifier ]

I need to get the golden. I really really do. If they had a femPC too I'd bought the vita to go along with it but as it is I can't justify the price =/

I kid abit: I don't really project myself into the games as much, so for me having the MC pair up with someone works because it's good for that character. For me, it's the pleasure of watching someone you came close to (the MC in this case) get together with someone, rather than self-projection. Since the JRPG main characters tend to be a bit more character-defined than Bioware protagonists, maybe that's why it works for me: the girl (or guy) falls in love with someone with a more or less established personality, rather than a blank slate who could be a total **** but says a few nice lines (Tali, I'm looking at you).

Ah I like playing my PC as the type of personality I wanted to give him (which is why P3 was torture. The only one of the females my MC ever would've romanced would've been Mitsuru) alas the game forces me to romance or ignore social link. (So for some reason not being a two timing jerk weakens him. Okay there Atlus. ) 

But I can see people falling in love with a total douche that says a few nice lines. They do it all the time.

[Dean_the_Young]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
You know, the contemporary Persona series (read: Persona 3 and Persona 4) is the only series I've played which consistently have made me interested and invested in the idea of player character romances.

Bioware romances by and large don't interest me: Lelenia was the only exception in DAO, but my canonical-Renegade MaleShep was pretty much no-romance, and my FemShep only started romancing Kaiden and Jacob so that their subsequent tragic deaths would help her character arc. Otherwise, most character romances don't hold much an appeal for me (in Mass Effect, in-team subordinate lovin is anathema to my military expectations of leaders and good order: in Dragon Age, few of the females attracted me for various character flaws), and even in more linear/less RPG-ish games I'm more ambivalent. Some canonical romances do it well enough that I nod and think it fits, like in Deus Ex Human Revolution, and others I just roll my eyes.

MUWAHAHAHA you have been corrupted

Puh-lease. I've known that dating sims were RPGs before ME2 came out. Most 'mancers don't even realize it yet.

Oddly I found myself more irked by DEHR but that's mostly because I wanted to punch Megan in the face.

That's the other side of a largely pre-defined character, yes: if you don't like 'em, you can't change their minds.

I need to get the golden. I really really do. If they had a femPC too I'd bought the vita to go along with it but as it is I can't justify the price =/

I did, but mostly because I'm going to have to part  from my PS2 for a year. Overall I think it's well worth it: there's new content, a lot of it, and more than enough to be worth re-playing it a few times to see. More voice acting, more customization in battle, more social links, more manageable grinding mechanics (the post-battle shuffle mechanic is greatly improved)... it's almost all good. I spent the time replaying and eagerly awaiting the subtle changes and additions.

Except Chie. Apparently a voice actor can make all the difference: if I had the option to mute just her in the new game, I would, but I can't and so I'm sad. The PS2 voice actor totally nailed her and made her a favorite, while the new one...

Ah I like playing my PC as the type of personality I wanted to give him (which is why P3 was torture. The only one of the females my MC ever would've romanced would've been Mitsuru) alas the game forces me to romance or ignore social link. (So for some reason not being a two timing jerk weakens him. Okay there Atlus. )

I'd seen some of the social links and gameplay, enough to know most the characters, but given how I'm saving a P3 playthrough on the Vita for the next year, I didn't know that. Thanks for the warning: there goes the monogamous playstyle, I guess...

But I can see people falling in love with a total douche that says a few nice lines. They do it all the time.

Unlike me, who's only occassionally a douche. No wonder I get no love around here.

[Renew81]

Yes because i think that the romance options do not make the game its the whole experience
from beginning to end i do think that the romance options can make you more attached to the
characters and i am happy that they are in the game but its not why i play the games and as
for the replay value i think having different choices , interupts etc and multible classes to choose
from adds to that so i would also have played it more then once if there where not any romance in the games but again iam glad there are.

[L2 Sentinel]

I dismissed Mass Effect as just another shooter (not a fan of the genre) before. The one thing that made me curious enough to try it out was the idea of being able to play as a gay character and having the game recognize that. I've never played a gay character before. So in that sense, I would never have played the game if not for the romance element. However, now that I know how rich the universe is, I would say I would still play the game even without romances. I still love the politics and the characters.

[CronoDragoon]

Ryzaki wrote...
(and yeah I know all the personae I missed out on. Better than dealing with crazy Yukari).

Oh no you did not. Check yourself, bro.

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Except Chie. Apparently a voice actor can make all the difference: if I had the option to mute just her in the new game, I would, but I can't and so I'm sad. The PS2 voice actor totally nailed her and made her a favorite, while the new one...

I had the opposite reaction, really. I loved her character in the original P4 but always thought it sounded like someone who doesn't know how to voice a character...trying to voice a character. I think her new voice suits her personality a lot better, but then again I've had plenty of time to get used to it playing Persona 4 Arena.

On-topic: Yes, I'd still play a great game series. But I'd be a little disappointed since BW is one of the only developers that tries to take romance seriously. JRPGs that go will-they-or-won't-they? the whole game and then end without any red meat don't count.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 28 mars 2013 - 04:23 .

[Shad Croly]

 I survived ME1 and 2 without a love interest. Going through ME3 without a love interest wouldn't have been an issue, so... without romance, it would have been just fine.

[Skullheart]

Ryzaki wrote...


I really do wish P3 at least gave you the friends/lovers options. I mean ugggh playing male PC in P3 sucks. That's the main reason i never leveled up the Lover's Arcana. (and yeah I know all the personae I missed out on. Better than dealing with crazy Yukari).

I don't know how many guides I used to not break the social link with my LI in P3 (Mitsuru, I wasn't cheating, I just need every SL at lvl 10).

[pprrff]

I'd have been fine with this particular game not having romance interests. After all, Shep is military and most of the game is essentially Shep going to work. If anything, not having romance being such a big part of the game would have made more sense. And if I had to put in romance options, I'd gone with making them casual encounters, like James Bond's romances.

Maybe if Shepard wasn't military, like if he was a space adventurer or something, then existing romances would have seemed more fitting.

[S.A.K]

Didn't have a clue about romance when I first started. So yeah.

[Felya87]

The romance options are a great bonus for me, but not the most important thing. I like romance in a game if those are significant and are some kind of evolution in the characters. For example, even if I liked the romance in ME2, I found those to be a little too much...abrupt?
expecially with a femshep,
jumping on garrus like that was a little...well, embarassing, to say the least. even if in the end, Garrus serves the thing on a plate, and the romance is cute, and not sex-based as one think by how it start, but I find it...too...sudden.

Thing, is romances aren't so importat. I can live without. expecially if are like Vega in Citadel.
are a bonus. A cute one, really sweet who give a different taste to the game, but aren't essential.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I've played through ME1 without romances and it was still awesome, that's actually the way I prefer to play it. I would probably play through ME2 without romances. But I would've returned ME3 without romances. The perfect Garrus romance arc is the single ray of goodness in a sea of awful.

As for the military issue, I never liked the subordinate aspect of Kaidan and Jacob's romances either for that reason. But I personally don't see a problem with Shepard in a romance with non-Alliance crew. They aren't even officially under Shepard's command, they're just... along for the ride.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 28 mars 2013 - 07:08 .

[eye basher]

i only do the romance once for the achivement after that there's no point.

[_- Songlian -]

Yeah, I would. It's the only BioWare franchise than I can honestly say I would enjoy just as much if it had no romances. Because the story and the main character and the companions totally make up for it.

[mtmercydave09]

I'd probably still buy it, but probably wouldn't enjoy it as much since having no romance kind of takes away from the character development and interactions.

[SyK18]

HELL YES!!! I would actually love it even more for not having stupid romance options.

They would have made the exploration and story even better if it was not for wasting time catering to the "fans" who begged for romancing everyone and everything in the amazing MEU. The fact that most of the people say that not having the romance ruins this franchise is sad.

ME1 was amazing and had the romance stuff in the background and focused on the universe and story first. ME2 and ME3 had focused more on the romance aspect of it that it lacked in a seamless story. I would not have been surprised if they gave you an option to romance Harbinger. 

Modifié par SyK18, 28 mars 2013 - 08:05 .

[Xerxes52]

Of course. I wouldn't mind in the least if there were no romance options available.

It's an interesting side option, but it's not necessary to enjoy the game for me.

[Tootles FTW]

Of course, as 95% of the games I play don't give me romance options.

[Venom man4]

One main thing I like about ME is being able to romance your squad mates, of course the gameplay has to be good and a good story. But without romances ME is not much different then another space blow em up game.

Modifié par Venom man4, 28 mars 2013 - 08:51 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Mmm... Depends really. I'm not going to lie, shooters aren't really my thing after all, but hearing the romances in it got me more interested when I first heard about the ME series.

Ultimately, it'd depend on how I came across the ME series, but no, once I got into ME, I don't think it'd matter. It may change the way I attach myself to certain characters, but that's all.

[Spartas Husky]

Personally I would sitll buy it. I have to say is not just one thing. RPG of this ...well RPG of the caliber that WAS mass effect. Once you start to pick and choose what is needed and what isn't you'll soon realize you destroyed the game.

Games like this are that memorable because they have so many things adding up. And Romance is one of them. Is not needed to be a successful game, but it would gather the same amount of respect from those who value story telling.

I mean Skyrim was successful and had no romance, and if someone mentions the wifes you have no idea what story telling is. But Bethesda isn't known for immersive storytelling and crafting lore as other companies.

Although I dont mind, if they at some point have a lighting bolt brain storm and develop a sandbox as beautiful as theirs with a compelling story would be epic. Unfortunately Bugthesda isn't known for fixing bugs so story intricacies is beyond them.

[TARITARI]

No. And if I had known that the romances would be so few and badly written ( for this straight female anyway) I never would have bothered to play at all. I came to the franchise late so I didn't have to pay full price for the games as they were released but I still feel ripped off time-wise.

I have some money to spend on an RPG game with decently written romance options for a female.. Anybody know of any? (sound of crickets.. chirping..)

[Spartas Husky]

TARITARI wrote...



I have some money to spend on an RPG game with decently written romance options for a female.. Anybody know of any? (sound of crickets.. chirping..)

Female specific... yeah I dont know of any. I know of great females characters but with a romance plot in them?... it isn't profitable. Not many straight males would jump to buy a game.

Aside from great female protagonist I can't remember any of them besides ME to have actual Romance Subplots.

EDIt;: FOund  a forum with a female suggesting these.

Might want to look into them

"Other games with romance (mostly on the PS2):
Persona 3 and 4, Xenosaga 3 (and technically 1 and 2 since they set the
romance in 3 up), Heavy Rain (and Indigo Prophesy, sort of), Silent Hill
2, many of the Final Fantasy games - you know, I think that's one of
the reasons I love and defend JRPGs - the romantic subplots - anyway.
Let me put it this way - I played through FF X-2 - TWICE - because what
it lacked, it was one of the most romantic games I've ever played."