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f1r3storm wrote...

Underwhelming, what?

BF4 is already far along, ME4 barely started development. So it probably will look even better.

Besides that, calling this underwhelming if you look at the majority of the current gen titles.. are you joking?

Now that we recently found out through an accidental dev tweet that ME will be using this engine


Accidential tweet? BioWare Montreal's Studio Director confirmed it on Twitter. That's barely accidential.



That trailer looks amazing!
Destructable physics as a game mechanic!

Imagine that in Mass Effect.

Next time you perform your biotic, tech, incendiary or cryo explosions you could destroy an entire building:devil:!

THAT SOUNDS AWESOME!


Oh and it looks realistic and very detailed... Naa. Don't care about that! It's the destructible physics that I care about!:devil:

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 28 mars 2013 - 05:54 .


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Abraham_uk wrote...

f1r3storm wrote...

Underwhelming, what?

BF4 is already far along, ME4 barely started development. So it probably will look even better.

Besides that, calling this underwhelming if you look at the majority of the current gen titles.. are you joking?

Now that we recently found out through an accidental dev tweet that ME will be using this engine


Accidential tweet? BioWare Montreal's Studio Director confirmed it on Twitter. That's barely accidential.



That trailer looks amazing!
Destructable physics as a game mechanic!

Imagine that in Mass Effect.

Next time you perform your biotic, tech, incendiary or cryo explosions you could destroy an entire building:devil:!

THAT SOUNDS AWESOME!


Oh and it looks realistic and very detailed... Naa. Don't care about that! It's the destructible physics that I care about!:devil:


Imagine what sort of damage a M-920 cain could do :devil:

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Some people will literally moan about anything. Seriously, you're ****ing about the next instalment and you have seen nor heard next to nothing about it?

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KevinT18 wrote...

Killzone 4 even looks better than this, and it seemed like a very small step up from current gen.

wat.

Let's compare actual in-game images of Killzone 3 to Shadow Fall (developed for 4GB of RAM devkits, not the final 8GB):

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Open in a new tab for the whole 1080p image, even with the video compression if you can see the massive gap I don't know what to say.

KevinT18 wrote...
Thoughts?

I think the problem is that you are comparing "next gen" console games to things like this:

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But there is no such thing as generations on PC, they are there already.

Modifié par Rubios, 28 mars 2013 - 06:27 .


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Delacruz wrote...
Imagine what sort of damage a M-920 cain could do :devil:


Well, let's see.


That would be epic if combined with frosbite!

If it can take down a small Reaper imagine what it can do with destructable physics.

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Abraham_uk wrote...

Delacruz wrote...
Imagine what sort of damage a M-920 cain could do :devil:


Well, let's see.


That would be epic if combined with frosbite!

If it can take down a small Reaper imagine what it can do with destructable physics.


MAGNETS MASS EFFECT FIELDS

Modifié par Rubios, 28 mars 2013 - 06:35 .


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Rubios wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

Delacruz wrote...
Imagine what sort of damage a M-920 cain could do :devil:


Well, let's see.


That would be epic if combined with frosbite!

If it can take down a small Reaper imagine what it can do with destructable physics.


MAGNETS MASS EFFECT FIELDS


Epic

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Excuse me, but I have to lol at the OP after watching the video. Underwhelming graphics-wise? LOL!!!!!!!!

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 28 mars 2013 - 07:11 .


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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Excuse me, but I have to lol at the OP after watching the video. Underwhelming graphics-wise? LOL!!!!!!!!


Each to their own.
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Modifié par Abraham_uk, 28 mars 2013 - 07:22 .


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Excuse me, but I have to lol at the OP after watching the video. Underwhelming graphics-wise? LOL!!!!!!!!


Some people ignore the effect a higher native resolution can have on a game, this is Wind Walker as seen on the GC:

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This is Wind Walker running at 1080p 4K (the exact same game, downsampled to 1080p, no texture mods):

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The gap between the SD and 1080p it's obviously bigger than 720/1080p, but still...

Modifié par Rubios, 28 mars 2013 - 07:38 .


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@Rubio: Yeah, I was talking to a friend after seeing footage of that new Killlzone game (for the PS4) when Sony was doing the PS4 announcement in February. We were watching the stream at the same time, and he mentioned seeing a lot of comments from people complaining about the new KZ game's graphics.

Apparently, the complaints seemed to come from people who were watching the stream in SD (or less than maximum settings) instead of at 1080p. I kind of facepalmed. Half the time I wonder if people who start threads like this realize what their resolution settings are (EDIT: and/or take into account the settings being used on the system running the game demo). When I first switched from SD to an HDTV with 1080p, the difference was like night & day.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 28 mars 2013 - 07:57 .


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Rubios wrote...

This is Wind Walker running at 1080p 4K (the exact same game, downsampled to 1080p, no texture mods):

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The gap between the SD and 1080p it's obviously bigger than 720/1080p, but still...


o_o...

My money... all of it...

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Pfft..."underwhelming"...

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I thought Mass Effect was gonna stick to Unreal? When did they decide to switch engines?

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Frostbite 3 isn't really a big upgrade from Frostbite 2.

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Underwhelming? xD Please tell me what drugs you're taking so I know to avoid them.

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Galvanization wrote...

I thought Mass Effect was gonna stick to Unreal? When did they decide to switch engines?

they announced it, but kept it on lid that was about a year ago.

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I just watched the demo.


Holy crap. Those set pieces are amazing.

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dreamgazer wrote...

"I know you can be overwhelmed, and you can be underwhelmed, but can you ever just be whelmed?"

I'm whelmed.

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KevinT18 wrote...

first, here's the link - ME will be using Frostbite 3 for next title, not 2 as previously thought

http://www.pcgamer.c...ge-frostbite-3/

Now here's the demo



Honestly, this does not look very next gen to me, and is quite underwhelming. When Crytek, EA, Epic Games, etc. were showing off demos of their coming games in 2005 for next gen, I was quite taken aback, as were most. Killzone 4 even looks better than this, and it seemed like a very small step up from current gen.

Now that we recently found out through an accidental dev tweet that ME will be using this engine, what do you guys think? For me, there is definitely potential, but perhaps we are reaching a plateau in terms of graphical beauty. Thankfully BW games have more focus on story than crappy Call Of Fieldy Modern Battle games...

The best equivalency current gen would be ME1-Gears1.

Thoughts?


Battlefield 4 is not next gen...its being released for current generation consoles and they are the lowest common denominators.

Also the final game will likely look worse than the pre-order hype trailer, the same was true of Battlefield 3, they did a pre-order hype trailer called "Fault-line", now play it on the PC with details maxed today and you will see half the stuff in video didn't even make it to the game.

Fact is, current gen consoles are limiting factor for Battlefield 4.

Finally, an engine is just a framework. Consider what Bioware, Obsidian, and CD Projekt separately managed to do on the Aurora engine--there was a huge difference between the artwork, texture quality, and effects created. Just because DICE can get this current level of detail out of the Frostbite 3 engine doesn't mean the Bioware devs will get anywhere even close, for all we know Dragon Age: Inquisition could look worse than Witcher 2 running on DX9.

Modifié par astrallite, 28 mars 2013 - 09:27 .


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You know what?
I'd love it if the next Mass Effect game had graphics like this:wizard:!


See if you can figure out where this image came from:wizard:!

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 28 mars 2013 - 09:59 .


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secretsandlies wrote...

op... just... no. do you know what rendering is right? also in some moments you can count polygons let say on the rock or jeep.

besides single player trailer for a battlefield? battlefield?! some ponies are lost their minds and common sense.


Don't insult people by calling them horses all right? Plus, BF4 singleplayer looks damn good.

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sharkboy421 wrote...


My guess would be money.  Bioware had to pay Epic to use the Unreal engine.  EA has the rights to Frostbite through DICE.  So EA can have any of their studios use Frostbite without having to pay extra.  Its not a bad idea and Frostbite is a nice engine in its own right.

It also cuts the cost to develop the engine or rather divides the costs on multiple games. 

And EA also probably wants to establish the Frostbite Engine as a next-gen-engine with more than one game. 

Honestly I don't care that much about the engine, they are using. Bioware games never were about good graphics, specially if you look at ME2 or 3, that look rather bad on PC, because they didn't even got HD textures. A good engine doesn't automatically mean good graphics, let alone the point, that other things are much more important about Bioware games than how good they look.

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Melrache wrote...

Underwhelming? xD Please tell me what drugs you're taking so I know to avoid them.



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OP, you keep using that word.

I do not think it means what you think it means.

-Tolan