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[rrtda]

if you think this is underwhelming then you need glasses.

[iOnlySignIn]

J. Reezy wrote...

There isn't some universal standard on graphical art style (thankfully), and there shouldn't be. Exaggerated art styles don't fit realistic depictions of war. 

Are you implying that there are realistic depictions of war in Mass Effect games? Or that there should, or will be? 

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 29 mars 2013 - 10:08 .

[MrDbow]

I, for one, look forward to our Frostbite 3 Engine Overlords...

Modifié par MrDbow, 30 mars 2013 - 01:50 .

[HolyAvenger]

lolunderwhelming

[FlamingBoy]

not a big fan of frost bite, there always seems to be these annoying appreciation moments where the player does nothing (ala battlefield 3 single-player).

its a sort of wait and see moment

[HolyAvenger]

FlamingBoy wrote...

not a big fan of frost bite, there always seems to be these annoying appreciation moments where the player does nothing (ala battlefield 3 single-player).

 

How is that anyhting to do with the engine?

[FlamingBoy]

HolyAvenger wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

not a big fan of frost bite, there always seems to be these annoying appreciation moments where the player does nothing (ala battlefield 3 single-player).

 

How is that anyhting to do with the engine?

the engine is pretty, hence developers like to show us its pretty, good graphics seem to take away from gameplay.
for example in battlefield 3 the game made SURE that I spent about a minute watching a building fall down (in the most glorious way possible) instead of shooting things. I am worried mass effect will take the same path

But thats just my experience with frost bite 2

[Dup3r]

I'm curious to know why the Frostbite engine, over other engines. IE, CE3 or UE4?

and @ MrDBow, That'd be great if the whole game looked like that, but to date, no game uses the same tech to play with as it does its cutscenes. Even if their the on the same engine. Playing a bik file is MUCH less resource intensive than maxing an engine on the fly.
Current consoles can't. The new PS might be able to for a while, but consoles are no more than propriatary computers for gaming (and some social). And really they have to be these days.
I'm rather pleased really, the Console folks have always got the short end of the stick where visuals go and then they're told "it's AWESOME" and superior. :\\ That is why us "PC'rs" have been yelling for so long. Because we know you've been duped. On the other hand, most hard core gaming rigs cost about 1K to build ... but I digress.

[Sanunes]

FlamingBoy wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

not a big fan of frost bite, there always seems to be these annoying appreciation moments where the player does nothing (ala battlefield 3 single-player).

 

How is that anyhting to do with the engine?

the engine is pretty, hence developers like to show us its pretty, good graphics seem to take away from gameplay.
for example in battlefield 3 the game made SURE that I spent about a minute watching a building fall down (in the most glorious way possible) instead of shooting things. I am worried mass effect will take the same path

But thats just my experience with frost bite 2

Thats your problem with Dice and BattleField and valid points, but I don't think you should worry that BioWare would do the same thing, for the engine doesn't dictate what the developer would do with the engine, it might just give them a heads up.  Instead of watching a building falldown, they might incorporate the destruction to do more storytelling elements such as helping with cover or leaving buildings.

[Sanunes]

Dup3r wrote...

I'm curious to know why the Frostbite engine, over other engines. IE, CE3 or UE4?

and @ MrDBow, That'd be great if the whole game looked like that, but to date, no game uses the same tech to play with as it does its cutscenes. Even if their the on the same engine. Playing a bik file is MUCH less resource intensive than maxing an engine on the fly.
Current consoles can't. The new PS might be able to for a while, but consoles are no more than propriatary computers for gaming (and some social). And really they have to be these days.
I'm rather pleased really, the Console folks have always got the short end of the stick where visuals go and then they're told "it's AWESOME" and superior. : That is why us "PC'rs" have been yelling for so long. Because we know you've been duped. On the other hand, most hard core gaming rigs cost about 1K to build ... but I digress.

They are using FrostBite for it was developed by Dice which is another EA company.

[mtmercydave09]

FlamingBoy wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

not a big fan of frost bite, there always seems to be these annoying appreciation moments where the player does nothing (ala battlefield 3 single-player).

 

How is that anyhting to do with the engine?

the engine is pretty, hence developers like to show us its pretty, good graphics seem to take away from gameplay.
for example in battlefield 3 the game made SURE that I spent about a minute watching a building fall down (in the most glorious way possible) instead of shooting things. I am worried mass effect will take the same path

But thats just my experience with frost bite 2

That doesn't bother me as long as it takes place at the right moment in a story.  

[FlamingBoy]

Sanunes wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

not a big fan of frost bite, there always seems to be these annoying appreciation moments where the player does nothing (ala battlefield 3 single-player).

 

How is that anyhting to do with the engine?

the engine is pretty, hence developers like to show us its pretty, good graphics seem to take away from gameplay.
for example in battlefield 3 the game made SURE that I spent about a minute watching a building fall down (in the most glorious way possible) instead of shooting things. I am worried mass effect will take the same path

But thats just my experience with frost bite 2

Thats your problem with Dice and BattleField and valid points, but I don't think you should worry that BioWare would do the same thing, for the engine doesn't dictate what the developer would do with the engine, it might just give them a heads up.  Instead of watching a building falldown, they might incorporate the destruction to do more storytelling elements such as helping with cover or leaving buildings.

Fair enough, I am putting my fears of battlefield onto bioware and thats not entirely fair, but its still something to watch out for

[KevinT18]

The WOW factor of games like Killzone 2, Motorstorm, and Crysis back when they were showcasing the power of future games is not what I'm feeling when looking at this Frostbite 3 demo. It is worrying a bit to me at least that Dice, who knows the engine best, cannot do better than this.

Then again, ME was never a technical showcase, but a storytelling one, and I and everyone here hopes it stays that way. Graphics are a plus

[Nitrocuban]

OP's lack of faith is .... underwhelming.

[kumquats]

o Ventus wrote...

All 3 MEs use the same exact engine. Shepard couldn't smile in ME2 because the animators didn't do a good job animating his face. Shepard's smiles in ME3 are much better. 

The facial language in general is better in 3 than 1 or 2.

Not my point idiot. The UE3 engine can produce something like this: http://www.gameranx....-engine-3-x.jpg
But that doesn't mean, a smile looks realistic, all ME3 smiles, sad faces look better then in ME2, true, but NOT realistic.
That's why I wrote, the new engine, isn't all about graphics, it can do much more. And what it can do, is exactly what BW wants.
Human emotions won't look better then in ME3, it will look REALISTIC.

[ShadyKat]

Looks fine to me.

[MassStorm]

Although we still have to see how they will implement the game i'm quite happy BW is switching to Frostbite 3 for their future games and this for several reasons:

1) Since Frostbite is an EA engine they don't have to pay for the right to use it, this can save a lot of money that can be redirected to the actual game development.

2) Frostbite 3 can revolutionize ME with his ability to create larger maps maybe we will have explorations (with vehicles) and an higher varieties of locations in future ME games instead of the shooting galleries we have now with Unreal engine.

3) I really like how in Frostbite everything take a realistic and less cartoonish look so will be totally look forward to see how ME will be in this regard. (I admit this point is a matter of personal preference)

In conclusion moving to Frostbite 3 is a great deal for BW and can revitalize the game letting BW doing new things they previously were not able to do with Unreal engine. It depends on how they will use this opportunity. I think we will see with DA3 what BW is capable to do with the new engine, Wish them all the best.

EDITED for minor corrections

Modifié par MassStorm, 30 mars 2013 - 02:09 .

[Zekka]

My main concern with Bioware using frostbite is will Bio use it to its full potential. Frostbite has destruction, very large open world / environments, Naval, Land and Sea warfare and can support 64 players in multiplayer all while having good graphics. Bioware have been taking mass effect in a different direction than this, ever since mass effect 1 there has been no large environments, no vehicles or vehicular warfare, and there is no destruction in the series at all.

The only good thing that can come from using frostbite is that Bioware actually implement these features into mass effect.

[Solmanian]

For more than 5 years bioware fans have been clamoring for it to stop using modified ten years old engine. Now that theymoved on, only thing the fans has to say is "meh". Talk about people that can't be satified...

[KevinT18]

Why would BW people want them to switch mid cycle in a trilogy that carries your saves over? Wouldnt this just introduce a plethora of coding issues for the devs?

Also, I wasnt saying Frostbite 3 will be bad, I'm saying the jump in visuals and physics is a lot less than it seemed when we were jumping generations last time

[KevinT18]

No...Here:

Solmanian wrote...

For more than 5 years bioware fans have been clamoring for it to stop using modified ten years old engine.

As in between ME1-2 people complained. ME2-3 people complained. Not ME3-future (save carry).

I'm saying it would have been stupid to switch engined within the trilogy.




PS we dont know if your saves will somehow carry over but I'd love that, at least for the macro-level decisions in the trilogy (Wrex and the krogan implications, geth/quarians, etc.)