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[Cassandra Saturn]

Unreal Engine 3 is used in Mass Effect 3, Mass Effect had Unreal Engine and Mass Effect 2 had Unreal Engine 2.
notice the differences in all three games?

[KevinT18]

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

Unreal Engine 3 is used in Mass Effect 3, Mass Effect had Unreal Engine and Mass Effect 2 had Unreal Engine 2.
notice the differences in all three games?

You have no idea what you're talking about do you?

rhetorical

[KevinT18]

J. Reezy wrote...

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

Unreal Engine 3 is used in Mass Effect 3, Mass Effect had Unreal Engine and Mass Effect 2 had Unreal Engine 2.
notice the differences in all three games?

Yeah...no. All three games used Unreal Engine 3. Changes in the tech of the engine itself is why all three Mass Effect games look different.

yes, this

[Sidney]

Really don't care much. The ability have slightly more realisitc eyelash rendering doesn't mean much. I was fine with DAO as it was and thought ME1-3 all looked more than good enough.

All that said, the new engine clearly looks better than the ME* graphics so it should be more than good enough,

[Cassandra Saturn]

J. Reezy wrote...

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

Unreal Engine 3 is used in Mass Effect 3, Mass Effect had Unreal Engine and Mass Effect 2 had Unreal Engine 2.
notice the differences in all three games?

Yeah...no. All three games used Unreal Engine 3. Changes in the tech of the engine itself is why all three Mass Effect games look different.

uh, not really. Unreal Engine 3 was't out back then.
clearly it says Unreal Engine in the title menu of Mass Effect

[katamuro]

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

Unreal Engine 3 is used in Mass Effect 3, Mass Effect had Unreal Engine and Mass Effect 2 had Unreal Engine 2.
notice the differences in all three games?

Yeah...no. All three games used Unreal Engine 3. Changes in the tech of the engine itself is why all three Mass Effect games look different.

uh, not really. Unreal Engine 3 was't out back then.
clearly it says Unreal Engine in the title menu of Mass Effect

Go look at wikipedia page. It clearly says ME1 is UE3 based. And yes all three games used the same engine but it was tweaked, the first unreal engine came out together with the game of the same title back in what 1999?
Please dont try to have an argument when you dont have your facts straight. 

As to OP. The next gen console games will be way better than current gen due to much higher availability of ram. So more actual HD textures, normal maps and lightning. 

[Solmanian]

"goes to unrealengine.com"

Well it does say ME1 was made with UE3. However the pics they put look waaaay better than I remember. Maybe they "remastered" it for the new release of the full trilogy? The original ME1 graphics obviously didn't compare well to the sequels.

[mereck7980]

It is really a shame that BW won't be using Unreal 4 for the new Mass Effect game. When you look at the two tech demos I think you can really see which one is better suited for this type of game.

Have any of you experimented UDK (which is essentially Unreal 3.5 if I am not mistaken)? If you play around with the terrain tool you can pretty much build replicas of the explore able planets from ME1, minus any static meshes used for the buildings, enemies, and turrets.

[sarnokh]

For me the question is more, how they design it. I am so tired of the closed tunnels DA2 and ME3 had. If they open that up, I could care less if they use the Unreal 3 engine, the Cry Engine or the Frostbite 3 engine. I guess all these engines can be used for open areas. Only Bioware didn't create that.

I don't need Skryim open-ness (though it would be welcome), but please no more these crammed quest-tunnels. That is of much greater concern to me than the engine.

[ObserverStatus]

greaaaaaat, the thing that really stood out at the end was "pre-order now to receive a Battlefield 4 premium expansion pack" looks like EA is doubling down on day 1 DLC. It was bad enough when you had to buy the game new to get a "premium expansion pack" and they just gave out horse armor for pre-orders.  I guess that after Sim City they just can't risk people knowing what they're buying anymore.

Modifié par bobobo878, 31 mars 2013 - 05:19 .

[Sanunes]

bobobo878 wrote...

greaaaaaat, the thing that really stood out at the end was "pre-order now to receive a Battlefield 4 premium expansion pack" looks like EA is doubling down on day 1 DLC. It was bad enough when you had to buy the game new to get a "premium expansion pack" and they just gave out horse armor for pre-orders.  I guess that after Sim City they just can't risk people knowing what they're buying anymore.

Pre-order bonuses are more then just EA, there has been enough tossed around for Assassin's Creed 3, BioShock: Infinite, Tomb Raider, Borderlands 2, Defiance, and more.  I generally ignore the pre-order bonuses simply because I have no interest in the extra items, but for the people that would get the DLC anyway I don't see anything wrong with it.

[ObserverStatus]

Sanunes wrote...
Pre-order bonuses are more then just EA, there has been enough tossed around for Assassin's Creed 3, BioShock: Infinite, Tomb Raider, Borderlands 2, Defiance, and more.  I generally ignore the pre-order bonuses simply because I have no interest in the extra items, but for the people that would get the DLC anyway I don't see anything wrong with it.

It isn't really a problem when they just inclue an extra suit of armor or an extra weapon, but when they include an entire $10-20 expansion, the likes of which you could get  just by getting the game new, it just becomes a tax on waiting for reviews before buying.

[Sanunes]

bobobo878 wrote...

Sanunes wrote...
Pre-order bonuses are more then just EA, there has been enough tossed around for Assassin's Creed 3, BioShock: Infinite, Tomb Raider, Borderlands 2, Defiance, and more.  I generally ignore the pre-order bonuses simply because I have no interest in the extra items, but for the people that would get the DLC anyway I don't see anything wrong with it.

It isn't really a problem when they just inclue an extra suit of armor or an extra weapon, but when they include an entire $10-20 expansion, the likes of which you could get  just by getting the game new, it just becomes a tax on waiting for reviews before buying.

True, but those examples I gave either give the first DLCs for free (even if its not Day1) or a discount on the Season Pass (such as 25% off), now that might be only from the Steam store its just something I have been seeing more regularly from all companies.  I could be misremembering the released games and what they offered as a bonus, but to me I have been seeing more incentivies to pre-ordering to avoid the reviews and its beyond armor and weapons.

To the orginal topic, I can't see any demo for a game that isn't one the developer working on to really show what another publisher will develop for they all have similar yet different goals.  What they show is great for Battlefield, but BioWare would have a bunch of people that probably look at the engine completely different then a person working on a FPS especially when considering some of the other elements they are probably going to include.

Modifié par Sanunes, 31 mars 2013 - 05:44 .

[JoltDealer]

I'd just like to take the time to remind everyone that ME1's graphics were top-notch in 2007 and could contend with the best even now. Mass Effect 4 will likely do the same with the frostbite 3 engine.

[KevinT18]

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

Unreal Engine 3 is used in Mass Effect 3, Mass Effect had Unreal Engine and Mass Effect 2 had Unreal Engine 2.
notice the differences in all three games?

Yeah...no. All three games used Unreal Engine 3. Changes in the tech of the engine itself is why all three Mass Effect games look different.

uh, not really. Unreal Engine 3 was't out back then.
clearly it says Unreal Engine in the title menu of Mass Effect

It also says Coca Coal Original on my 12 can box, doesnt mean it's from 1907. They used unreal engine tech. Namely UE 3. U really think they would use a 9 year old game engine to make ME1? Especially when 2 other newer iterations were released? It WAS out back then. Gears of War even used it a year earlier.

You have no idea what you're talking about. At all.

[Bleachrude]

I assume why they're using Frostbite 3 is because they can cut down on costs...Not just the licensing fee but post-production support as well...

And honestly, among the current day engines, can people tell the difference between Cryengine 3, Unreal 4 and Frostbite 3 games?

[Slashice]

Frostbite 3 is actually pretty decent, I like it much. A don't forget, the next ME game will probably come out in '14 or '15, so it will only get better.

[Sidney]

bobobo878 wrote...

Sanunes wrote...
Pre-order bonuses are more then just EA, there has been enough tossed around for Assassin's Creed 3, BioShock: Infinite, Tomb Raider, Borderlands 2, Defiance, and more.  I generally ignore the pre-order bonuses simply because I have no interest in the extra items, but for the people that would get the DLC anyway I don't see anything wrong with it.

It isn't really a problem when they just inclue an extra suit of armor or an extra weapon, but when they include an entire $10-20 expansion, the likes of which you could get  just by getting the game new, it just becomes a tax on waiting for reviews before buying.

It isn't a problem then. How it is a "tax" I can't understand. You are arguing that someone is taking that which you never had. Can't be. The pre-order bonus is nothing more than a Happy Hour/Early Bird special where they toss in a free appetizer or something.

Most games the reviews are a day in advance. I do not know how steam/amazon works but at brick n' mortar stores I will drop a pre-order and if the reviews stink (Aliens:CM) I just cancel it so I'm not sure how the pre-order changes things much unless there is no way to stop a Steam order.

[jeansplice]

have you guys seen what the Frostbite engine is capable of? It's waaaay beyond the unreal engine. I just hope Bioware use the engine to it's capacity with big maps, vehicles, stunning detail and the trademark; destruction. Only bad thing about the FB engine is the BRIGHTNESS OF THE SUN, and flashlights. Geth would blind you

[Jeffonl1]

Here's a link to a Unreal Engine 4 demo:
http://www.unrealeng...ed_at_gdc_2013/

And remember UE has had many versions and builds. A game designer must choose whats right for him: Duke Nukem used UE1 in 2011
All ME used the UE3 engine (but various builds)

[ofarrell]

K2LU533 wrote...

f1r3storm wrote...

Underwhelming, what?