348 réponses à ce sujet

[Kittstalkur]

megawug wrote...

I think this thread should be renamed "Characters I can't play well"!

Or "characters I will never play because I've used all of those powers before and they do not play well together."

I've used the Saboturian a few times, he plays alright, but it was Geth each time.

[kequilla]

Neat this thread still alive, might as well put mine up here......er
awkward moment,
I say all kits have a place, some are complete on there own; some need the right weapon to fill in the gaps.

[HolyAvenger]

I dislike the Saboteur and the volus kits.

[lightswitch]

Kittstalkur wrote...

QMS is a fairly weak soldier. Tac scan is slow and doesn't stagger, Sabotage has a delay before it staggers, and Marksman is fine, but he has no stability bonus. Contrast with the Turian Soldier who can mass debuff a spawn, has two powers that are excellent stagger on demand (and Concussive Shot can do some seriously ridiculous damage built properly), and has enough stability that you don't have to sacrifice a consumable slot to make high recoil weapons usable with Marksman...

Which part of 'the QMS out DPS's the TSol when it matter most' are you not understanding here?

Also, using PM to debuff mooks is a waste of time. anything that will die in less than four seconds will die quicker by going to straight to Marksman - AKA, every single mook in the game.

[Tallgeese_VII]

lightswitch wrote...

Kittstalkur wrote...

QMS is a fairly weak soldier. Tac scan is slow and doesn't stagger, Sabotage has a delay before it staggers, and Marksman is fine, but he has no stability bonus. Contrast with the Turian Soldier who can mass debuff a spawn, has two powers that are excellent stagger on demand (and Concussive Shot can do some seriously ridiculous damage built properly), and has enough stability that you don't have to sacrifice a consumable slot to make high recoil weapons usable with Marksman...

Which part of 'the QMS out DPS's the TSol when it matter most' are you not understanding here?

Also, using PM to debuff mooks is a waste of time. anything that will die in less than four seconds will die quicker by going to straight to Marksman - AKA, every single mook in the game.

Nobody uses PM to debuff mook. It`s for crowd control and line up shots.
Also it deals its own damage to multiple enemies.

Modifié par Tallgeese_VII, 30 mars 2013 - 10:33 .

[lightswitch]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Kittstalkur wrote...

QMS is a fairly weak soldier. Tac scan is slow and doesn't stagger, Sabotage has a delay before it staggers, and Marksman is fine, but he has no stability bonus. Contrast with the Turian Soldier who can mass debuff a spawn, has two powers that are excellent stagger on demand (and Concussive Shot can do some seriously ridiculous damage built properly), and has enough stability that you don't have to sacrifice a consumable slot to make high recoil weapons usable with Marksman...

Which part of 'the QMS out DPS's the TSol when it matter most' are you not understanding here?

Also, using PM to debuff mooks is a waste of time. anything that will die in less than four seconds will die quicker by going to straight to Marksman - AKA, every single mook in the game.

Nobody uses PM to debuff mook. It`s for crowd control and line up shots.
Also it deals its own damage to multiple enemies.

Kittstalkur wrote...

Contrast with the Turian Soldier who can mass debuff a spawn

[Tallgeese_VII]

lightswitch wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Kittstalkur wrote...

QMS is a fairly weak soldier. Tac scan is slow and doesn't stagger, Sabotage has a delay before it staggers, and Marksman is fine, but he has no stability bonus. Contrast with the Turian Soldier who can mass debuff a spawn, has two powers that are excellent stagger on demand (and Concussive Shot can do some seriously ridiculous damage built properly), and has enough stability that you don't have to sacrifice a consumable slot to make high recoil weapons usable with Marksman...

Which part of 'the QMS out DPS's the TSol when it matter most' are you not understanding here?

Also, using PM to debuff mooks is a waste of time. anything that will die in less than four seconds will die quicker by going to straight to Marksman - AKA, every single mook in the game.

Nobody uses PM to debuff mook. It`s for crowd control and line up shots.
Also it deals its own damage to multiple enemies.

Kittstalkur wrote...

Contrast with the Turian Soldier who can mass debuff a spawn

It does debuff them as he said and it can be useful in teamplay,
but you know yourself that PM has vairous purpose. He didn`t say it`s only for debuff. Most of players use for many good differnet purposes.

[Zjarcal]

lightswitch wrote...

Kittstalkur wrote...

QMS is a fairly weak soldier. Tac scan is slow and doesn't stagger, Sabotage has a delay before it staggers, and Marksman is fine, but he has no stability bonus. Contrast with the Turian Soldier who can mass debuff a spawn, has two powers that are excellent stagger on demand (and Concussive Shot can do some seriously ridiculous damage built properly), and has enough stability that you don't have to sacrifice a consumable slot to make high recoil weapons usable with Marksman...

Which part of 'the QMS out DPS's the TSol when it matter most' are you not understanding here?

Also, using PM to debuff mooks is a waste of time. anything that will die in less than four seconds will die quicker by going to straight to Marksman - AKA, every single mook in the game.

QFT

[Ultimate Pheer]

Salarian engineer, and volus merc are both way not good.

[Javis]

Well, I recently got the Volus adept and it looks quite crappy.

However, that is outweighed by the sheer hilarity of calling him Biotic God and going in anyway.

[ArcaptSSX]

Volus mercenary and Turian Saboteur. The first one because pets are bad in gold+ and he has nothing else, forcing him into being a weapons specialist with nothing specific.
The second one because he doesn't have any good detonator.
Those who consider the Vorcha Hunter bad don't see that he gets to use FEs as much as he wants with high mobility and good survivability(provided you know how to play Vorchas), making a him sort of a guerilla fighter.

Volus merc can't detonate anything at will, Saboteur can only do so with grenades that take an eternity to activate with no DR, and Armiger sidesteps are very inferior to Vorcha.

Modifié par ArcaptSSX, 30 mars 2013 - 11:25 .

[ASmoothCriminalx]

Vorcha hunter isn't the worst character. He's replaceable, sure, but he might have the hardest hitting incinerate in the game besides the KroSent, and he's fun to play. Though I don't know who uses that character with incinerate.

[Tallgeese_VII]

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

Vorcha hunter isn't the worst character. He's replaceable, sure, but he might have the hardest hitting incinerate in the game besides the KroSent, and he's fun to play. Though I don't know who uses that character with incinerate.

I did today. It was really fun.. I had to learn few things hardway though.

Gave him Eagle / Cryo Ammo / full incineration build.
Eagle -> Incineration was fairly powerful.. (I didn`t give him any consumable other than cryo ammo.. because I dropped in on-going game, so probably more or so with right Amps)
I had to learn how to deal with Phantom using Net instead of Acolyte.. but I think I kinda get it now.

I don`t like Vorchas.. because I like my Geth Pyro much more.
Vorcha Hunter, surpridinlgy, may become my favorite Vorcha.

Vorchas have great healing potential combined with nice side-dodge.
I love using incineration.. and him being the most tough incinerator I have matters to me.
(I don`t use incineraiton with Kronel)

[lightswitch]

 Quarian Marksman Soldier video montage.

Seems to me like the people who feel the TSol is better think that way because they struggle without a CC power. Fair enough, but if you don't need a staggering power, then the QMS has a higher ceiling and objectively speaking is a better kit.

I'm not saying you shouldn't play the TSol, just saying claiming the QMS is bad because you don't know what to do if you don't have CC is wrong.

[Tallgeese_VII]

lightswitch wrote...

 Quarian Marksman Soldier video montage.

Seems to me like the people who feel the TSol is better think that way because they struggle without a CC power. Fair enough, but if you don't need a staggering power, then the QMS has a higher ceiling and objectively speaking is a better kit.

I'm not saying you shouldn't play the TSol, just saying claiming the QMS is bad because you don't know what to do if you don't have CC is wrong.

You wanna try solo Cerberus gold with him,
while I try solo Cerberus gold with Turian Soldier?

He is not bad. Of course he can kill enemies fast and be good team assets.
But look into your heart. Would you do any worse with Turian Soldier or Quarian Infiltrator?

[Tallgeese_VII]

BTW, lightswitch.
Do you prefer Quarian Soldier over Turian soldier?

I really want your honest opinion on this, and it will be good enough.

[FlowCytometry]

yeah, I dun see why peeps are saying QMM is bad. He takes more careful use of cover and more RHA use than TSo cause of lack of CC, but the dmg is certainly there.

I still like the TSo cause I'm addicted to PM- allows me to play really sloppily or recklessly and still get away w/ rushing in most cases, but that's also partly due to the Geth Scanner allowing me to know what's around the corner When the bosses come around he still has to hide w/ RHA like the QMM to not get clobbered while unloading.
If I were a more careful/better player I'd prob be fielding the QMM more over the TSo.

[Tallgeese_VII]

FlowCytometry wrote...

yeah, I dun see why peeps are saying QMM is bad. He takes more careful use of cover and more RHA use than TSo cause of lack of CC, but the dmg is certainly there.

I still like the TSo cause I'm addicted to PM- allows me to play really sloppily or recklessly and still get away w/ rushing in most cases, but that's also partly due to the Geth Scanner allowing me to know what's around the corner When the bosses come around he still has to hide w/ RHA like the QMM to not get clobbered while unloading.
If I were a more careful/better player I'd prob be fielding the QMM more over the TSo.

He is simply way too weapon relying and teammates relying.
Not necessarily bad things I guess, since we all suppose this is co-op game and people have good weapons.
I just want to make sure that people don`t overlook the fact Turian Saboteur, Volus Sentinel both benefit a lot from good weapons.

[ASmoothCriminalx]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...


I don`t like Vorchas.. because I like my Geth Pyro much more.
Vorcha Hunter, surprisingly, may become my favorite Vorcha.

Same.

[lightswitch]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

BTW, lightswitch.
Do you prefer Quarian Soldier over Turian soldier?

I really want your honest opinion on this, and it will be good enough.

I like them both. I have the QMS specced for accuracy and shotgun sniping while the TSol is specced for RoF. I almost never use the TSols secondary powers (PM and CS).

Also, re: solos; there's a lot more to a good kit than how easy it is to solo with. The Huntress is great for soloing, but on a team that's running sub 17 clear times the QMS will be able to contribute a lot more than the Huntress could ever hope to do.

[Shinnyshin]

Wait, someone seriously proposed the Salarian Infiltrator? Even now he's probably the safest general-purpose Plat character in the game. Always in the top-three with all the tier lists I've seen.

As for Asari Adept and Quarian Marksman...really? They might not be the bestest of the best right now (how close for the Marksman is very debatable though), but they're both pretty safely not at the bottom. Asari's probably in the top 50% but is very team-comp dependent, while Marksman's probably in the top 10-20% independently.

Modifié par Shinnyshin, 31 mars 2013 - 12:28 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

Any character that you don't use well is the worst. (for said person)

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

By worst, I mean

1. Can be easily replaced by other characrters available
2. Extremely rarely used by you... and PuG users
3. Vey little power synergy
4. Underwhelming passive trees with low HP/Shield



.... I nominate

Quarian Male Soldier.




Added: Just asking for your honest opinion.
No need for anyone to be protective over digital character.

Oh, in that case...I LIKE THE QMS!! ITS MY CHARACTER!!! HOW DARE YOU SAY ITS BAD!! #joking

Im actually not a big fan of the QMS. I DO like the SI quite a lot...

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 31 mars 2013 - 12:37 .

[Invisible Juggernaut]

UEG Donkey wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

If they didn't nerf the pets, the Volus sentinel would be awesome. Now he's mostly a shield spammer with two distractions that don't really distract.

He's really fun if you carry a heavy assault rifle like the PPR , cloak, place decoy and flank.  I might use Shield boost once per round with this guy. 

For me its the Vorcha Hunter I have no idea what to do with the guy (Seriously tell me how to spec the guy, because I can't spec out of both incinerate and subnet) for me he beats the sabatuer because a the very least he has turian stability. 

Then don't spec out of either, just use the point glitch. I mean, it's not like bioware could really care anymore at this point. And besides, the character is just terribad, might as well give him everything you can. Hell, ask the devs to give him warp and get fire and warp destruction.

[Invisible Juggernaut]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

PronozaSoldier wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

All the default humans.

Get out.

They don't do anything someone else doesn't do better.

Singularity, Adrenaline rush, Nova... these are irreplacable!

Not exactly. I mean, Nova is obviously irreplacable, and the Default Adept's synergy with Singularity is better than everything, considering the only other "viable" kit is the ex-cerberus adept, and he loses when it comes to range. But, Adrenaline rush I have to admit, is totally replacable. Given the amount of weight you carry as a good soldier, the recharge time is up there (unless you have everything maxed). And while I don't like spamming consumables, I can easily achieve the exact same effect if I had just popped an ops and thermal pack.

[uhaveaface]

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

Vorcha hunter isn't the worst character. He's replaceable, sure, but he might have the hardest hitting incinerate in the game besides the KroSent, and he's fun to play. Though I don't know who uses that character with incinerate.

here's how to kickass with vorcha hunter to yield this on a uug pug: 148k you, 97k, 94k and 94k teammates. picture proof if someone can explain how to upload a pic taken from camera on ipad.

subnet damage and 6a evolution. bloodlust health and weapon. resilience power and 6b evolution. fitness all health (5a may be better than 5b). no incinerate... you can probably do same by replacing subnet with your favorite incinerate setup. subnet is much better though.

lancer 2 xtra mag/normal barrel or other weapon not needing ammo box. ap 4, stab 3, omni 5 and i used targeting 1.

that's it. net, dodge and shoot. not scream, shout and let it all out... even though that's good too and britney looks amazing in the video.

what do the green checks with circle mean after a game when you see the scoreboard?