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[Invisible Juggernaut]

Shinnyshin wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

PronozaSoldier wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

All the default humans.

Get out.

They don't do anything someone else doesn't do better.

Except many of them are contenders for best in class.  HEng is a monster, Hsol does stupidly ridiculous things, Novaguard on host is overpowered as hell and very team-friendly.  The other three are all good as well, though not quite as ridiculous as that first batch.

While I definitely do agree to most of your statements, the whole part about HSol is sort of, off, is the best word to describe it. I mean, he does have the ability to carry and use ridiculous ****, but his grenades are lackluster compared to others in class, and in general (Not including Infiltrators, especially dat damn sexbot). And, why would I trade a bunch of massive PERMANENT  passives from the TSol for just a few seconds of extremely buffed damage and health? I find the BF3Sol a much better version of him, because if you wanted to spec out of Adrenaline Rush, you literally could just make a fire explosion factory.

[Invisible Juggernaut]

mol6x7 wrote...

Turian Soldier

I mean the basic, original one.

No dodge, and nothing particularly special ability wise. Hell, the human soldier outclasses him with access to frag grenades.

Ooo...more accuracy. Whoop-de-f*cking-do!

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Sir, I think you just killed my kidney. TSol has so many good passives compared to the human soldier, and, what essentially amounts to debuffing frags in the form of Proxy mine, and add that to Marksman? Just strap a Hurricane, a Harrier, or Hell, if you have macros, use the frickin Raptor (V-X) and just walk into U/U/G with a minor ammo mod. 

[Ledgend1221]

Invisible Juggernaut wrote...

mol6x7 wrote...

Turian Soldier

I mean the basic, original one.

No dodge, and nothing particularly special ability wise. Hell, the human soldier outclasses him with access to frag grenades.

Ooo...more accuracy. Whoop-de-f*cking-do!

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
Sir, I think you just killed my kidney. TSol has so many good passives compared to the human soldier, and, what essentially amounts to debuffing frags in the form of Proxy mine, and add that to Marksman? Just strap a Hurricane, a Harrier, or Hell, if you have macros, use the frickin Raptor (V-X) and just walk into U/U/G with a minor ammo mod. 

Human soldier is still better, but I agree he must be insane to think that the turian is the worst.

[Invisible Juggernaut]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

DHKany wrote...

xGunKungFUx wrote...

Tie between volus sentinel and i think the havoc as well

Vorcha Hunter or Turian Saboteur would be a better fit IMO. 

I personally can't justify picking a Turian as the worst kit. While I do agree the Saboteur's powers suck, he has that amazing weapons passive that no other race has. 

I would agree with that, if it wasn't for the fact that his actual powers can't do anything for him. IMO if they swapped Sabotage for Overload, and the grenades to something decent(Maybe Arc grenades? Or hell, even Proxy mine, as the VolEng gets that power), then I can see him being a really good character. He'd have stunning, debuffing, and explosive usage, with a bit of distraction thrown in there. That would definitely make the best of his passives.

[Invisible Juggernaut]

behemoth7 wrote...

Krogan Sentinel Warlord.
I mostly play platinum I can play everything there except Warlord. He is just too big, he can not use cover etc. I really hate him

I can see why he's a Platinum problem, but the question is asking for bad characters, those characters that you think of that can't do anything that another class can't do better. But, even with the clunkiness, Warlord is good for the rest of the levels, if you time your melees and such correctly so you don't get grabbed.

[lightswitch]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Invisible Juggernaut wrote...

mol6x7 wrote...

Turian Soldier

I mean the basic, original one.

No dodge, and nothing particularly special ability wise. Hell, the human soldier outclasses him with access to frag grenades.

Ooo...more accuracy. Whoop-de-f*cking-do!

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
Sir, I think you just killed my kidney. TSol has so many good passives compared to the human soldier, and, what essentially amounts to debuffing frags in the form of Proxy mine, and add that to Marksman? Just strap a Hurricane, a Harrier, or Hell, if you have macros, use the frickin Raptor (V-X) and just walk into U/U/G with a minor ammo mod. 

Human soldier is still better, but I agree he must be insane to think that the turian is the worst.

No he's not, the human soldier can't even dream of the kind of damage the TSol is capable of

[Tallgeese_VII]

I just love human soldier for being able to Two shot Claymore then freely use Activated Adrenalrine rush button to reload cancel Claymore.

...It`s pure awesomeness I cannot do with any other kits !!

[lightswitch]

Invisible Juggernaut wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

DHKany wrote...

xGunKungFUx wrote...

Tie between volus sentinel and i think the havoc as well

Vorcha Hunter or Turian Saboteur would be a better fit IMO. 

I personally can't justify picking a Turian as the worst kit. While I do agree the Saboteur's powers suck, he has that amazing weapons passive that no other race has. 

I would agree with that, if it wasn't for the fact that his actual powers can't do anything for him. IMO if they swapped Sabotage for Overload, and the grenades to something decent(Maybe Arc grenades? Or hell, even Proxy mine, as the VolEng gets that power), then I can see him being a really good character. He'd have stunning, debuffing, and explosive usage, with a bit of distraction thrown in there. That would definitely make the best of his passives.

Let's also not forget that the Armiger passives aren't as good as the Turian Veteran passives. Armiger are identical to a Quarian except for the stability.

[Crimson Vanguard]

This thread is about Opinion War.

[lightswitch]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

This thread is about Opinion War.

yeah, it's fun, join us

[UnknownMercenary]

Vorcha Hunter, Turian Saboteur

[uhaveaface]

lightswitch wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

This thread is about Opinion War.

yeah, it's fun, join us

what isn't opinion on this thread? it's banter, nonsense and entertainment.

[Tallgeese_VII]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

This thread is about Opinion War.

But we might be close to reaching general consensus..


at least from what I read from this thread...
I`d say Volus Mercenary Sentinel is considered as the worst kit generally.


He lacks damage potential, and his pets are too underwhelming and good only situationally.

As a role player, he might be a good team supporter...

but since most of players value how much a character can contribute to smooth / faster game..
Volus Sentinel lose a lot of points for contributing too little to enemy slaying process.
(Who needs pets if enemies are dead?)

[kajtarp]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Kittstalkur wrote...

QMS is a fairly weak soldier. Tac scan is slow and doesn't stagger, Sabotage has a delay before it staggers, and Marksman is fine, but he has no stability bonus. Contrast with the Turian Soldier who can mass debuff a spawn, has two powers that are excellent stagger on demand (and Concussive Shot can do some seriously ridiculous damage built properly), and has enough stability that you don't have to sacrifice a consumable slot to make high recoil weapons usable with Marksman...

Which part of 'the QMS out DPS's the TSol when it matter most' are you not understanding here?

Also, using PM to debuff mooks is a waste of time. anything that will die in less than four seconds will die quicker by going to straight to Marksman - AKA, every single mook in the game.

Nobody uses PM to debuff mook. It`s for crowd control and line up shots.
Also it deals its own damage to multiple enemies.

PM has long recharge time. Why would anyone need such a power for lining up shots? I can understand if you have a bad aim, otherwise i can't. If you play on console, its okay. But on PC with a good aim and stable framerate you doesn't need such thing. Its damage is also not that big deal compared to enemy hp/shield values on gold.
Before you get me wrong TSol is one  of my favourite kit. But i just prefer to skip PM completel. Im using CS for detonatich tech, and im using marksman as much as i can.

Modifié par kajtarp, 31 mars 2013 - 10:38 .

[kajtarp]

Kittstalkur wrote...

kajtarp wrote...

Salarian Infiltrator does not suck. Before you say  it, i know. Its an infi, and infiltrators are strong anyway.

I also doesn't understand why people hate the Quarian Marksman. Anything with a good weapon and marksman is a boss killer. I also love the last evolution of Tactical Scan. Area scan reveals any enemy within 20meters for the entire team. I think it is a very underrated option. Its great for situational awereness. The cooldown of this power is also quite short. So not only me, but also my teammates barely suffer from surprise attacks, becouse we know all the time where enemies are. its like team hunter mode without the shield penalty.

Also dont get the hate about the Turian Saboteur. Sabotage(backfire+tech vulerability)+Homing grenade = tech burst = dead Maruder  / Centurion without shooting one single bullet(on gold). If more enemies are in proximity then a double kill is almost certain with the possibility of making serious damage on a 3rd target(or even kill it) with one tech burst. Not even mentioning it has the Turian stability bonuses and the super awesome jetpack. So i can barely see why does this kit suck ...

SI was all we really had to make single shot snipers work way back when in ye olde days before Phasic ammo. Still a pretty good kit, and plenty survivable built properly.

QMS is a fairly weak soldier. Tac scan is slow and doesn't stagger, Sabotage has a delay before it staggers, and Marksman is fine, but he has no stability bonus. Contrast with the Turian Soldier who can mass debuff a spawn, has two powers that are excellent stagger on demand (and Concussive Shot can do some seriously ridiculous damage built properly), and has enough stability that you don't have to sacrifice a consumable slot to make high recoil weapons usable with Marksman...

And there's a lot of things that can kill a Marauder or Centurion very quickly. Bullets usually kill them far faster than the travel time of homing grenades. As will a good headbutt. One or two lift grenades will score you a killstreak with minimal effort.

i know a well placed Wraith or Claymore shot can one shot kill Maruders/Centurions not even mentioning the mighty Graal and Kishock. Or the better snipers with Phasic ammo. But you need chosen weapons and equipment to achieve that. While a well placed tech burst can kill 2-3 enemies at once. Thats not something you can achieve with weapons.

[XxproknifaxX]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Saboteur and it isn't close.

Hahahah thanks 4 d lolz

[XxproknifaxX]

weaselshep wrote...

Phoenix Vanguard.

Wut?

[sr2josh]

Tokenusername wrote... Volus Mercenary. Why is this even a discussion?

No way.  Decoy+combat drone with a Hurricane equipped is one of the best kits in the game.

Modifié par Makai81, 10 janvier 2014 - 01:44 .

[sr2josh]

Drell Adept, not much ability as a biotic especially compared to Fury and Collector.

[SpaceV3gan]

Makai81 wrote...

Drell Adept, not much ability as a biotic especially compared to Fury and Collector.

Drell Adept beat those two combined. Seriously.



Worst character is, by design, the Vanilla Human Sentinel. And the reasoning is pretty simple: Asari Adept.

[MGW7]

Necro much

[Operator m1]

XxproknifaxX wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Saboteur and it isn't close.

Hahahah thanks 4 d lolz

WHY DO YOU DO THIS?! WHYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!????

[FasterThanFTL]

None, but Human Infiltrator has pretty uninteresting powers.

[XxproknifaxX]

Operator m1 wrote...

XxproknifaxX wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Saboteur and it isn't close.

Hahahah thanks 4 d lolz

WHY DO YOU DO THIS?! WHYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!????

cause saying the Saboteur is the worst kit is like saying The Simpsons isn't a good show

[DesioPL]

Vorcha Hunter. I could change incinerate instead of flamer, still better.