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So what is the worst character kit available in ME3 MP?


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There's a lot of people here confusing "I suck with this kit" with "this kit sucks", which is understandable.

That said, the Volus Sentinel keeps getting brought up because, by and large, he brings nothing powerful to the table that an experienced team can't provide with a bullet or two.

Shield Boost — Great team-oriented power, but on a veteran Platinum team, most people can usually take care of themselves. You're essentially just boosting yourself, which isn't really helpful.
Combat Drone — Surprisingly effective, but it's not a reliable damage dealer or distraction. Case in point: if a Dragoon is bearing down on you, do you feel comfortable casting that as your last defense? If I want to lock up foot soldiers, I'd just as soon have chain Overload.
Decoy — A paper tiger now, and especially painful on PUGs because it usually only works if enemies see it before an actual player, and that takes communication. And again, good Platinum teams usually don't need a distraction element. They'd rather have something that A) is more reliable and B) actually deals damage.

The Volus Engineer (with Recon and Proxy) can clear a room by himself in 4-5 seconds. A Volus Sentinel can only distract a room (sometimes) until someone can come clear it for him, or painstakingly clear it himself — with weapons as his only reliable damage dealer — in 30-40 seconds, and even then only if he isn't rushed by a Phantom bowling team or a Dragoon 4x100 relay team, etc.

Is he a fun kit? Yes; I've led Gold games in points with him before. Is he a helpful kit with a newbie team on, say, Silver? Yep, especially with a Medi-gel Transmitter gear. But a good team doesn't need him or a single one of his powers, hence the negative public opinion.

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I agree completely with the OP. There is nothing the QuarMark can do that the Turian Soldier doesn't do better.

Aside from that, I would like to nominate Asari Valkyrie. Powerful, yeah. But what is she? A Fury with Tech Armor that can't teleport/dodge. Woo. Hoo.

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Kittstalkur wrote...

Volus Mercenary, Turian Saboteur, Marksman. None of those kits have particularly good synergy.


No kit with marksman can ever be in contention for worst kit. Period.

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GordianKnot42 wrote...

I agree completely with the OP. There is nothing the QuarMark can do that the Turian Soldier doesn't do better.

Aside from that, I would like to nominate Asari Valkyrie. Powerful, yeah. But what is she? A Fury with Tech Armor that can't teleport/dodge. Woo. Hoo.


No. Just no.

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KalilKareem wrote...

Kittstalkur wrote...

Volus Mercenary, Turian Saboteur, Marksman. None of those kits have particularly good synergy.


No kit with marksman can ever be in contention for worst kit. Period.


Quarian marksman is pretty much just as good as not being there until you have good weapon.
You cannot Tac-scan enemy to death, and Sabotage killing enemy will take forever.
He also has no real contribution to combination attack... and no crowd control tool.

and almost always either have to give up fitness or sabotage.. which automatically makes him handicapped.
You can also give up tac-scan... but you probably don`t want to do this.

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Tallgeese_VII wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Kittstalkur wrote...

Volus Mercenary, Turian Saboteur, Marksman. None of those kits have particularly good synergy.


No kit with marksman can ever be in contention for worst kit. Period.


Quarian marksman is pretty much just as good as not being there until you have good weapon.
You cannot Tac-scan enemy to death, and Sabotage killing enemy will take forever.
He also has no real contribution to combination attack... and no crowd control tool.

and almost always either have to give up fitness or sabotage.. which automatically makes him handicapped.
You can also give up tac-scan... but you probably don`t want to do this.


That argument is plain silly. He is a weapon based class, so ofc he blows with a bad weapon. But this argument is about as relevant as discussing how bad a fury is witgh a spitfire I.

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KalilKareem wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Kittstalkur wrote...

Volus Mercenary, Turian Saboteur, Marksman. None of those kits have particularly good synergy.


No kit with marksman can ever be in contention for worst kit. Period.


Quarian marksman is pretty much just as good as not being there until you have good weapon.
You cannot Tac-scan enemy to death, and Sabotage killing enemy will take forever.
He also has no real contribution to combination attack... and no crowd control tool.

and almost always either have to give up fitness or sabotage.. which automatically makes him handicapped.
You can also give up tac-scan... but you probably don`t want to do this.


That argument is plain silly. He is a weapon based class, so ofc he blows with a bad weapon. But this argument is about as relevant as discussing how bad a fury is witgh a spitfire I.


Some players may believe Quarian Marksman is an irreplacable asset, but for me he is largely replacable by almost any kit for better damage or team synergy.
I still respect your opinion though. Just sharing mine.

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Gamecontact wrote...

I say Vorcha Hunter


A kit with health regen can never be the worst...

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KalilKareem

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Tallgeese_VII wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Kittstalkur wrote...

Volus Mercenary, Turian Saboteur, Marksman. None of those kits have particularly good synergy.


No kit with marksman can ever be in contention for worst kit. Period.


Quarian marksman is pretty much just as good as not being there until you have good weapon.
You cannot Tac-scan enemy to death, and Sabotage killing enemy will take forever.
He also has no real contribution to combination attack... and no crowd control tool.

and almost always either have to give up fitness or sabotage.. which automatically makes him handicapped.
You can also give up tac-scan... but you probably don`t want to do this.


That argument is plain silly. He is a weapon based class, so ofc he blows with a bad weapon. But this argument is about as relevant as discussing how bad a fury is witgh a spitfire I.


Some players may believe Quarian Marksman is an irreplacable asset, but for me he is largely replacable by almost any kit for better damage or team synergy.
I still respect your opinion though. Just sharing mine.


Ah. Irreplacable assest. We have dismissed that claim.

And I double dare you to take down a platinum atlas faster than tac scan followed by a marksman reloaded harrier using a crummy powerbased kit.

You are claiming that a quite powerful kit is "the worst in me3" because you subjectively think it is overshadowed by another similar kit. Thats not an opinion, thats good ol fashioned wrong.

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KalilKareem wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Kittstalkur wrote...

Volus Mercenary, Turian Saboteur, Marksman. None of those kits have particularly good synergy.


No kit with marksman can ever be in contention for worst kit. Period.


Quarian marksman is pretty much just as good as not being there until you have good weapon.
You cannot Tac-scan enemy to death, and Sabotage killing enemy will take forever.
He also has no real contribution to combination attack... and no crowd control tool.

and almost always either have to give up fitness or sabotage.. which automatically makes him handicapped.
You can also give up tac-scan... but you probably don`t want to do this.


That argument is plain silly. He is a weapon based class, so ofc he blows with a bad weapon. But this argument is about as relevant as discussing how bad a fury is witgh a spitfire I.


Some players may believe Quarian Marksman is an irreplacable asset, but for me he is largely replacable by almost any kit for better damage or team synergy.
I still respect your opinion though. Just sharing mine.


Ah. Irreplacable assest. We have dismissed that claim.

And I double dare you to take down a platinum atlas faster than tac scan followed by a marksman reloaded harrier using a crummy powerbased kit.

You are claiming that a quite powerful kit is "the worst in me3" because you subjectively think it is overshadowed by another similar kit. Thats not an opinion, thats good ol fashioned wrong.


I am glad you are having good time with him by all mean. Posted Image

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Vorcha hunter by far. That guy is hella lame.

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KalilKareem wrote...

You are claiming that a quite powerful kit is "the worst in me3" because you subjectively think it is overshadowed by another similar kit. Thats not an opinion, thats good ol fashioned wrong.


OP's original definition of "worst" was: "1. Can be easily replaced by other characters available".

We're just sharing opinions. No need to be antagonistic, even if you disagree.

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tonnactus wrote...

Gamecontact wrote...

I say Vorcha Hunter


A kit with health regen can never be the worst...


A kit as badly designed as that one is though. 

a constant UNCHANGEABLE 60% cooldown penalty on an ENGINEER who relies on spamming powers? 

No. No thank you. 

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GordianKnot42 wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

You are claiming that a quite powerful kit is "the worst in me3" because you subjectively think it is overshadowed by another similar kit. Thats not an opinion, thats good ol fashioned wrong.


OP's original definition of "worst" was: "1. Can be easily replaced by other characters available".

We're just sharing opinions. No need to be antagonistic, even if you disagree.


I am not being antagonistic, I am just stating that OP is wrong. In this case the wrongness starts with an arbitratry and silly definition of "worst".

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KalilKareem wrote...

GordianKnot42 wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

You are claiming that a quite powerful kit is "the worst in me3" because you subjectively think it is overshadowed by another similar kit. Thats not an opinion, thats good ol fashioned wrong.


OP's original definition of "worst" was: "1. Can be easily replaced by other characters available".

We're just sharing opinions. No need to be antagonistic, even if you disagree.


I am not being antagonistic, I am just stating that OP is wrong. In this case the wrongness starts with an arbitratry and silly definition of "worst".


and for me,

you are just another internet user who is vocal at citicizing others without reason while back up one`s own reasoning with nothing.

Stop wasting your time trying to make others look bad and bring out your point.

Define absolute definition for worst character at least or GTFO.

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KalilKareem

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Tallgeese_VII wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

GordianKnot42 wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

You are claiming that a quite powerful kit is "the worst in me3" because you subjectively think it is overshadowed by another similar kit. Thats not an opinion, thats good ol fashioned wrong.


OP's original definition of "worst" was: "1. Can be easily replaced by other characters available".

We're just sharing opinions. No need to be antagonistic, even if you disagree.


I am not being antagonistic, I am just stating that OP is wrong. In this case the wrongness starts with an arbitratry and silly definition of "worst".


and for me,

you are just another internet user who is vocal at citicizing others without reason while back up one`s own reasoning with nothing.

Stop wasting your time trying to make others look bad and bring out your point.

Define absolute definition for worst character at least or GTFO.


Fine. To define worst I would start with defining best. The best character by my definition is;

"The kit who's addition to a random team in the hands of a decent player increases the team's mission success chance the most"

Now this definition is ambigious without any restrictions on difficulty level. So I arbitrarily select Gold, since I think this is the difficulty that most people would be interested in rating kits for (silver is too easy and platinum skews the power balance too much with all the armored bosses.

I would then make worst the inverse of best. So;

"The kit who's addition to a random team in the hands of a decent player increases the team's mission success chance the least"

With this definition the quarian marksman is nowhere near the bottom. Volus sentinel, turian saboteur and vorcha hunter on the other hand....

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Terminus Echoes wrote...

PronozaSoldier wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

All the default humans.

Get out.

They don't do anything someone else doesn't do better.


No alien does something the human doesn't do better

Haha I just rendered your opinion into gooPosted Image

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BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

I have no opinion on worst kit, everyone of them can be played well.


^This.

But if I had to pick one I'd say Volus Sentinel.

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mol6x7 wrote...

Turian Soldier

I mean the basic, original one.

No dodge, and nothing particularly special ability wise. Hell, the human soldier outclasses him with access to frag grenades.

Ooo...more accuracy. Whoop-de-f*cking-do!



Learn to Marksman. It's one of the best powers in the game. Straight DPS increases are always great. Proximity Mine with that? Everything dies very quickly indeed. You don't need "special abilities" to be a great character.

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No such thing as a bad kit, merely kits that only work situationally. VolSent is an animal vs Geth. FQE shines against Reapers.

Are there better choices? Yes, but I prefer variety, not running the same three-four characters/weapons every match.

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Volus classes imo. Thery're fun to use but not good for high difficulties unless you've good weapons/gears of course.

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Volus Mercenary.

Why is this even a discussion?


Perhaps you don't understand the power of the combat drone...

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 Geth Infiltrator is very weak and no one should ever use it.


/sarcasm

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Quarian marksman, no reason FOR ME to use it over the turian.

I also strongly resent the phoenix adept.

Modifié par Boog_89, 29 mars 2013 - 09:19 .


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Tallgeese_VII wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Kittstalkur wrote...

Volus Mercenary, Turian Saboteur, Marksman. None of those kits have particularly good synergy.


No kit with marksman can ever be in contention for worst kit. Period.


Quarian marksman is pretty much just as good as not being there until you have good weapon.
You cannot Tac-scan enemy to death, and Sabotage killing enemy will take forever.
He also has no real contribution to combination attack... and no crowd control tool.

and almost always either have to give up fitness or sabotage.. which automatically makes him handicapped.
You can also give up tac-scan... but you probably don`t want to do this.

Lies. Tac Scan deals damage, so you can kill someone with. Most often Swarmers.
Add@: It is also possible to kill someone by dodging past them. Dodges have a very small amount of AoE (which is also very small) damage and a small amount of force for staggering smaller humaniod enemies.:wizard: