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[RedJohn]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...


SO wait you actually read the link, then still pull up an old OUTDATED link trying to prove yourself something other than what you are, WRONG?

Which one is updated, which one says NEW INFO and which one is almost 5 months old? Did you even read that part?

Yea I thought so, you guys are retards.

Thank you for trying to sound like you know what your talking about. Now come up with something else to make yourself feel smart... pathetic. Learn to read....

OMG how is this possible....

Okay, forget about how you think things are on paper, go to game, start a platinum solo with Destroyer+ Typhoon with AP ammo IV, use launchers until there is only 1 atlas left and then kill it with Typhoon, now to the same with Incendiary IV and tell me if it dies faster.

I just tried it in game, AP ammo kill it faster, meaning it's better for that, meaning i'm right, you are talking too much about a thread someone else wrote and you clearly missunderstood, but try it out in game where the real cheese is and then come and tell me your results

juanjo_dpr9 wrote...

HAHAHAHAHAHA. One of the most stupid posys I've seen in the last month. How can a weapon which needs like 450 bullets be good against a boss? I think the Avenger or the Incisor are better hahahaha. Keep the good work dude, you are making me laugh a lot along a lot of people.

LOL, someone obviously didn't read the OP

Modifié par RedJohn, 30 mars 2013 - 01:22 .

[TG XTerminatorX]

If only it didn't take 40 seconds to empty that mag with EM on.

[TheVanishedOne]

man, my current connection is bad

I'd try that next week.

[Catastrophy]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

For those who still fail to make use of the braincells they have here is the spreadsheet of peddros Incendiary IV Vs Armor Piercing IV test.

https://docs.google....BtM0pteVE#gid=0

Notice how the incendiary damage starts after the 1st shot?
Notice how after 3 seconds worth of continuous fire that incendiary ammo starts to outdamage armor piercing ammo?

If you don't lol go fudge yourselfs.

Incendiary ammo > armor piercing ammo for all targets that take longer than around 3 seconds to drop. (everything in gold/platinum besides husk and swarmers for RoF guns such as the spitfire...) as peddro even mentions in the original and UPDATED INCENDIARY AMMO POST

http://social.biowar...885477#15885477

Unlike you idiots with your heads so far up a horses bootycheeks, I actually play the game, (most likely longer than many of you put together) and from actuall experience using incendiary ammo instead of thinking armor piercing ammo is worth anything, I pay attention to how long it takes to drop targets.

I've seen that test and normally see good results with incendiary ammo. However, I tried both ammos with my Spittfire and the AP ammo performed better in the overall match (gold with Juggs). Likely because the Spittfire can hit multiple targets due to piercing. So for boss killing incendiary might be better but the AP ammo has more utility - especially if you don't equip piercing mods.

[UnknownMercenary]

I played a few games with HVB + Incendiary IV. Comparable results to EB + AP IV; couldn't get anything recorded because of crashing/disconnection issues last night.

I don't imagine it to be superior on a Typhoon/Spitfire compared to EB + AP IV but I don't mind being proven wrong either. I just hate using the HVB because it is ugly as sin.

[xx DJ ONE xx]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

My avatars name is ronnie blastoff, I have a picture of a homosexual video game character as my avatar. I don't care how I look. Especially to a bunch of people I don't know, don't really care to know, and probably will never meet. Just stating facts, how they come out may sound harsh to some, I on the other hand have enough sense to know that someone tossing insults online is worth about as much as stray cats farting tuna in the form of song.

Get over it.



Disclaimer
Not meaning to insult anyone directly, but don't be "silly" and I won't come off as a douch

Sorry I need some clarity on something - Is it that "homosexuals" generally look stupid? Or is it only that particular homosexual game character that looks...questionable, but you "just don't care?"

Just asking because, after reading your posts, I've concluded that you are clearly very well educated & perhaps a genius, thus I'd like your advice so I know whether to dislike the character or the lifestyle.

Please respond soon, I don't want to miss a chance to disapprove of anyone.

Wait, just remembered, I'm gay (a homosexual)

so I guess you are a douche

Disclaimer

Not meaning to insult you directly, but don't be a "biggot" and I won't come off as a douche

[Saints]

This is going to be like the Geth Trooper Flamer thread isn't it?

[xx DJ ONE xx]

Saints944 wrote...

This is going to be like the Geth Trooper Flamer thread isn't it?

What's that supposed to mean? You're saying I'm a flamer?!<_<









Just kidding^_^

[RedJohn]

Saints944 wrote...

This is going to be like the Geth Trooper Flamer thread isn't it?

It depends, but what will be the story behind the thread? 

[Saints]

We need Someone to make a YouTube video to prove which ammo is better. Then the guy who said the person was wrong says " I'm trolling". People make fun of him. Then the beautiful gifs come in. Or a new story can be made! Who has written a script???

[RedJohn]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

I played a few games with HVB + Incendiary IV. Comparable results to EB + AP IV; couldn't get anything recorded because of crashing/disconnection issues last night.

I don't imagine it to be superior on a Typhoon/Spitfire compared to EB + AP IV but I don't mind being proven wrong either. I just hate using the HVB because it is ugly as sin.

If you use the Typhoon/Spittfire with the same mods, same conditions, same everything, you will kill faster with AP ammo, mainly bosses.

[RedJohn]

Saints944 wrote...

We need Someone to make a YouTube video to prove which ammo is better. Then the guy who said the person was wrong says " I'm trolling". People make fun of him. Then the beautiful gifs come in. Or a new story can be made! Who has written a script???

Well, there are 2 videos:





There you can see how you kill faster an Atlas with Warp ammo than with Incendiary ammo. The video was made to do a comparison between Typhoon and Spittfire

With Incendiary rounds IV
Times:
Typhoon: 17.18 seconds.
Spitfire: 14.76 seconds.


With Warp Rounds IV
Times
Spitfire: 13.45 seconds.
Typhoon: 10.18 seconds.

With AP ammo is even faster, it's like 8 seconds to take down an atlas, but all the videos on youtube are from pre nerf destroyer.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

xx DJ ONE xx wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

My avatars name is ronnie blastoff, I have a picture of a homosexual video game character as my avatar. I don't care how I look. Especially to a bunch of people I don't know, don't really care to know, and probably will never meet. Just stating facts, how they come out may sound harsh to some, I on the other hand have enough sense to know that someone tossing insults online is worth about as much as stray cats farting tuna in the form of song.

Get over it.



Disclaimer
Not meaning to insult anyone directly, but don't be "silly" and I won't come off as a douch

Sorry I need some clarity on something - Is it that "homosexuals" generally look stupid? Or is it only that particular homosexual game character that looks...questionable, but you "just don't care?"

Just asking because, after reading your posts, I've concluded that you are clearly very well educated & perhaps a genius, thus I'd like your advice so I know whether to dislike the character or the lifestyle.

Please respond soon, I don't want to miss a chance to disapprove of anyone.

Wait, just remembered, I'm gay (a homosexual)

so I guess you are a douche

Disclaimer

Not meaning to insult you directly, but don't be a "biggot" and I won't come off as a douche

The more important question should be do you care what some guy on the internet thinks? No I don't have anything against homosexuals (if thats what your implying, and yes some homosexuals look stupid, they are people just like everyone else and have they're flaws.), and although I come off as donkey sacks on BSN, generally Im layed back on xbox live and willing to game with anyone, as long as they put on equipment.....

And no I'm not a genius, but I do pay attention to things that make me better/are effective in everything I do, and if I'm wrong I'm willing to admit it, change and adapt, become better and learn, but regardin this particular topic....

RedJohn wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

I
played a few games with HVB + Incendiary IV. Comparable results to EB +
AP IV; couldn't get anything recorded because of crashing/disconnection
issues last night.

I don't imagine it to be superior on a
Typhoon/Spitfire compared to EB + AP IV but I don't mind being proven
wrong either. I just hate using the HVB because it is ugly as
sin.

If you use the Typhoon/Spittfire with the same
mods, same conditions, same everything, you will kill faster with AP
ammo, mainly bosses.

1st... why in the hell would you use the same mods.... thats just ...
2nd... if you payed attention to the spreadsheet, everything you guys are talking about was already done...wtf.. in the test peddro used IR with HVB and APR with extended barrel (thats 25% MORE DAMAGE) and incendiary still pulled ahead.

anyway, I don't go by eyeballing anything, (somthing I learned from headshotting bosses with a black widow X on drell with full headshot/weapon/ammo buffs and still only seeing 1 bar pop off.) As the spreadsheet indicates that I gave a link to eariler, I'll go by actual #s and FACTS instead.

Now if someone can do a actual test with full spread out #s like peddro did with a spitfire with

1.
APR IV - Assault Rifle Extended barrel V(+25% damage barrel)

2.
Incendiary Rounds IV with HVB V (90% Armor negation, penetration, yada yada)

against the same enemy, bullet for bullet damage and incendiary DoT for bullet damage listed JUST like peddro has, then I'll say ok... armor piercing rounds are better. Anything besides that isn't worth the "weight".

But since peddro actually ALREADY DID THE TEST and his #s support my argument and experience, I'ma continue to believe the #s rather than "I think I got a better time."^_^

[Saints]

Should pre-nerf destroyers count? Those guys were....

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Zjarcal wrote...

Swarmers, Prime drones, and Prime turrets are the true bosses in this game. Seriously, they are the deadliest enemies for squishy characters.

I shoot all of those before I shoot anything else.

And swarmes have the widest size-to-deadliness ratio, resulting in many, many ragerockets being launched at swarmers.

Luckily, other things are occasionally caught in the blast, too... 

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 30 mars 2013 - 04:16 .

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

I should have looked at your manifest and play time before I commented, but like the fool i am, I gave you the benefit of doubt.

You don't even have enough time played to make up to stupid things your posting.

So far, you've said this to every person that I've ever seen disagree with you. I don't think it has the effect on your credibility that you think it does.

[xx DJ ONE xx]

@ Blastoff: Gotcha & accusation withdrawn...

...and bonus points for

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
...willing to game with anyone, as long as they put on equipment.....

Gay or straight, one should always wear an "equipment" when "playing" even if you plan to "extract" in time:blink:

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

xx DJ ONE xx wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

This is going to be like the Geth Trooper Flamer thread isn't it?

What's that supposed to mean? You're saying I'm a flamer?!<_<









Just kidding^_^

Why am I only just reading through this thread, now!? 

[RedJohn]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

1st... why in the hell would you use the same mods.... thats just ...
2nd... if you payed attention to the spreadsheet, everything you guys are talking about was already done...wtf.. in the test peddro used IR with HVB and APR with extended barrel (thats 25% MORE DAMAGE) and incendiary still pulled ahead.

anyway, I don't go by eyeballing anything, (somthing I learned from headshotting bosses with a black widow X on drell with full headshot/weapon/ammo buffs and still only seeing 1 bar pop off.) As the spreadsheet indicates that I gave a link to eariler, I'll go by actual #s and FACTS instead.

Now if someone can do a actual test with full spread out #s like peddro did with a spitfire with

1.
APR IV - Assault Rifle Extended barrel V(+25% damage barrel)

2.
Incendiary Rounds IV with HVB V (90% Armor negation, penetration, yada yada)

against the same enemy, bullet for bullet damage and incendiary DoT for bullet damage listed JUST like peddro has, then I'll say ok... armor piercing rounds are better. Anything besides that isn't worth the "weight".

But since peddro actually ALREADY DID THE TEST and his #s support my argument and experience, I'ma continue to believe the #s rather than "I think I got a better time."^_^

..................So, you say that if you equip Incendiary ammo on Typhoon it will take down a boss quicker than if you use AP ammo?

[dudemacha]

Do atlas double/triple hits happen because your rounds hit, then penetrate, then hit again??
If so AP rounds better i guess....
PS:Just a curious question

[RedJohn]

BlastoTheEnkindled wrote...

Ap ammo are always better against a boss without barriers if you don't use any piercing mod, otherwise warp ammo are superior due to a major ammo damage bonus overall an specific (barriers) and versatility.

To make it quick: do you use any biotic power/armor weakening/piercing effect? take warp rounds, otherwise ap rounds. Just mind that with the piercing mod you'll loose damage when you pierce, with the ap rounds you don't, and sometimes this matters a lot.

EDIT: incendiary ammo do more overall damage vs armor, but require more "skill" to maximize their effect.

Doesn't matter if it does more damage overall, what matters here is the time it takes to take down a boss.

If you want incendiary to outdamage AP ammo against armor you have to wait for the massive DoT and that means the damage is not done instantly, therefore, AP ammo is better in that case because it takes down a boss faster.

[RedJohn]

Nik6454 wrote...

Do atlas double/triple hits happen because your rounds hit, then penetrate, then hit again??
If so AP rounds better i guess....
PS:Just a curious question

Yes. 

[dudemacha]

RedJohn wrote...

Nik6454 wrote...

Do atlas double/triple hits happen because your rounds hit, then penetrate, then hit again??
If so AP rounds better i guess....
PS:Just a curious question

Yes. 

I heard that ravagers are also prone to this, so does the length of the target has anything to do with it or you get free hits on any target ?