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[brushyourteeth]

I know it's in the headline, but seriously -- there are spoilers from the books and movies in here. Don't be mad when you hear them from me.

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Okay: Alistair. He's a Grey Warden and a Theirin, and as we recently found out, the be Theirin is to share the blood of dragons (whatever that means. The information we have at this point is pretty dubious).

Now, we all know what happens to a Grey Warden when they join the order. They drink the blood of darkspawn, magically prepared, so that they can take on the taint. From that moment on, they begin decaying into one of them. And as the books tell us (and as we see in the case of Larius in Legacy) once a Warden receives their Calling (in which the voice of the Archdemon attracts them the way it would any darkspawn) they effectively start losing their humanity and becoming an intelligent darkspawn-like creature. That's why most Wardens choose to enter the privacy of the Deep Roads and kill as many darkspawn as they can before they themselves are killed. But some live and continue to change.

Okay, bear with me. Alistair also has the blood of dragons.

We all know what an Archdemon is, right? Most agree that it's a High Dragon that holds the soul of an Old God and becomes corrupted when the darkspawn encounter it.

There is power in blood, as we're reminded so many times throughout the DA series.

If Alistair has both dragon blood (which is obviously rather special) and darkspawn blood, does this make him something new? Could Alistair pose some kind of new threat if he's allowed to begin degenerating into darkspawn status?

Now, bear in mind: I'm a habitual Alistair-mancer, and this is really  for me. But I know my Warden would cut Alistair down rather than see him become a monster that poses a new threat to Thedas. And Alistair would want her to.



Too Long / Didn't Read: Alistair has the darkspawn taint and also supposedly shares the blood of dragons. In the world of Thedas, could this be a recipe for a new kind of post-Calling danger to Thedas?

Thanks for reading. I know it's far-fetched, but all thoughts are welcome!

** Edit. This topic was posted in the DA3 forum, even though Alistair was primarily a DA:O companion, because that ship has sailed and we won't see the conclusion of his story in any previous DA games. It would have to play out in DA3 or later, and at this point is simply speculation meant for fun. If you don't like fun or speculation, this is not the topic for you. Thanks!

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 29 mars 2013 - 12:22 .

[sandalisthemaker]

So what you're saying is... Alistair is the Dovahkiin of the DA universe?

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 28 mars 2013 - 10:00 .

[brushyourteeth]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

So what you're saying is... Alistair is the Dovahkiin of the DA universe?

I wish! Other than giving him the right to rule Ferelden and the misfortune of being hunted by crazy Tevinter blood mages, there's no significant benefit to the dragon blood that we know of yet.

But when the taint sets in, I worry about those implications. I'm sure he wouldn't be an Archdemon -- that's totally different. But could he become something even more horrible than a harvester or broodmother?

[Cirram55]

Y'know, that really depends on where David Gaider intends to bring the whole "heroes of Thedas are reavers" thing. If it ends up with Alistair being overpowered (and yet in DAO he was just a fairly strong and trained warrior) I could see him becoming a rather powerful ghoul and a potential threat or something of the sort. Otherwise he'll still be nothing more than a "special snowflake".
The implications are interesting, though.

[vicegt]

you bring up an interesting point, might be the plot of a later game possibly. also what would be the protocol for king who is also a gray warden going to his calling. due to it being very hard for gray wardens to have children. there's probably not going to be an heir, causing another civil war.

[VanguardCharge]

interesting ideas. its actually been foreshadowed that allistar will have some connections with turning into archdemon - in both dragon age bad he says same line "swooping is bad". now if we analise the word "swooping"

swoop (swp)
v. swooped, swoop·ing, swoops
v.intr.
1. To move in a sudden sweep: The bird swooped down on its prey.
2. To make a rush or an attack with or as if with a sudden sweeping movement. Often used with down: The children swooped down on the pile of presents.
v.tr.
To seize or snatch in or as if in a sudden sweeping movement.
n.
The act or an instance of swooping.


it becomes pretty much clear that allistar will be the archdemon (bird) and kill its victims (prey) reborn, nice find op

Modifié par VanguardCharge, 28 mars 2013 - 10:23 .

[Willowhugger]

I think the attempt to make Alistair some sort of super-being is doomed to failure. He's a Grey Warden, a Templar, and the heir. He's already got plenty enough on his plate as is and he STILL gets his ass kicked by plenty of monsters.

The Warden and Hawke are the big guys--Alistair is a cool side character.

[Twisted Path]

He's dead (in some people's playthroughs,) so uh...

[Harle Cerulean]

VanguardCharge wrote...

interesting ideas. its actually been foreshadowed that allistar will have some connections with turning into archdemon - in both dragon age bad he says same line "swooping is bad". now if we analise the word "swooping"

swoop (swp)
v. swooped, swoop·ing, swoops
v.intr.
1. To move in a sudden sweep: The bird swooped down on its prey.
2. To make a rush or an attack with or as if with a sudden sweeping movement. Often used with down: The children swooped down on the pile of presents.
v.tr.
To seize or snatch in or as if in a sudden sweeping movement.
n.
The act or an instance of swooping.


it becomes pretty much clear that allistar will be the archdemon (bird) and kill its victims (prey) reborn, nice find op

Ladies and Gentlemen: the birth of an Epileptic Tree.  Isn't nature beautiful?

[Newschmoo]

Brush, it's an interesting thought.  Something that maybe the comics (or future games could explore).  Even better, something that the Warden could explore!   
What you have said about Alistair now gets me thinking about the OGB (if Alistair did the deed with Morrigan).  I mean that child will have the Therin bloodline as well as the soul of Urthemiel.  What would happen there?!
I really must read the comics. I downloaded them weeks ago and haven't read them yet 

[Xhon12]

I hope not. He's my less-hated character from the Dragon Age series after Wynne. Well, maybe they share the first place.

And, oh my god, Wynne is dead D:

[Willowhugger]

but yes, I like Gaider just made Callenhad a Reaver.

It establishes he's not some sort of "god being" while upping the importance of Reavers.

[legbamel]

So if I didn't make him do the ritual and he did the Ultimate Sacrifice and an Old God sould entered his body...he might not really be dead? [has horrible, zombie-Alistair-dragon dreams]

[Enigmatick]

This sounds like some special snowflake fanfiction b.s, but I guess I gotta read the comics to really understand it.

[Harle Cerulean]

Filament wrote...

Are they explicitly called reavers or is that an inference from them having "dragon blood"? I would think there is a difference between being a progeny of dragons ("having dragon blood"), and drinking the blood of a dragon.

I was wondering about this myself.  It seems unlikely to me that the effects of drinking a dragon's blood would be then passed down through heredity.  Unless the blood alters DNA itself... though I suppose this could be another "It has less to do with DNA and more with magic" thing like all half-elves being fully human.

[TheJediSaint]

Enigmatick wrote...

This sounds like some special snowflake fanfiction b.s, but I guess I gotta read the comics to really understand it.

This is actually pointed in by Varric in the comic.

[HiroVoid]

That's why you must replay DA:O and have him executed.

[Danny Boy 7]

Interesting! It'd be a cool plot to run through, but I wonder how "diluted" the dragon blood really is in Alistair and what makes it so important. I mean, Calenhad couldn't have been the first Reaver...or rather I should say I doubt it since I don't know for sure and what's keeping Titus from taking one of his minions forcing them to drink dragon blood and then bleeding them dry?

Something tells me the dragon Calenhad met was special in some way, or the ritual was fundamentally different than what we saw in Origins with Kolgrim.

As for Alistair I'm wondering how much of the dragon blood is still viable considering we don't see him using any reaver abilities in the game (unless you give him some).

[VanguardCharge]

HiroVoid wrote...

That's why you must replay DA:O and have him executed.

....and have him magically appear in Dragon Age:I a la Anders, Wynn, Lilliana and  Zevran in DA2 

[Chiramu]

VanguardCharge wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

That's why you must replay DA:O and have him executed.

....and have him magically appear in Dragon Age:I a la Anders, Wynn, Lilliana and  Zevran in DA2 

And then have him glare some more at Loghain.

[JCAP]

I agree that he is something special, but I'm not understanding your way of thoughts. Why that makes him dangerous?

He can simply take the calling and die (most likely case), or for some reason the dragon blood protects Alistair from the degeneration, but that's probably not going to happen.


Until the writters decide what dragon blood necessarily means, this discussion is rather pointless.

Modifié par JCAP, 28 mars 2013 - 11:37 .

[-TC1989-]

This is interesting. It makes sense to me that his blood line has some special meaning. I always thought that had something to do with Maric and Fiona, but I haven't read The Calling in a while. Too bad though that ever since he had his hissy fit at the Landsmeet, I haven't given more than two cups of crap for Alistair.

[brushyourteeth]

Filament wrote...

Are they explicitly called reavers or is that an inference from them having "dragon blood"? I would think there is a difference between being a progeny of dragons ("having dragon blood"), and drinking the blood of a dragon.

In the comics, the dragon-blood information comes from Sten/the new Arishok, who says that Calenhad struck a deal with a powerful witch who taught him to drink the blood of a powerful high dragon, which changed him. Where Sten got that info from (and how reliabe it is) is anyone's guess at this point. But certainly less icky (in my opinion, anyway) than the thought of someone having actually mated with a dragon at one point.

JCAP wrote...

I agree that he is something special, but I'm not understanding your way of thoughts. Why that makes him dangerous?

He can simply take the calling and die (most likely case), or for some reason the dragon blood protects Alistair from the degeneration, but that's probably not going to happen.


Until the writters decide what dragon blood necessarily means, this discussion is rather pointless.

Sure. Let me explain again.

A Grey Warden who isn't killed before the taint begins to truly change them will sort of become a darkspawn. I started this topic because, since Alistar's blood is supposedly not just human but also dragon blood, I was curious about the possibility of him becoming something even more frightening than... whatever a darkspawned Grey Warden is (they're not just ghouls, because ghouls are mindless. They sort of become intelligent darkspawn and eventually will become thralls of the Old Gods).

Duncan, for instance, mentions to Alistair that it's time for him to take his Calling. What that essentially meant was that he could feel himself beginning to decay into something that would eventually be more darkspawn than man.

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And, in general, I'm not suggesting at all that Alistair should become Ferelden's new top hero. I'm saying there's a possibility that he'll become a monster and a threat (which is super sad, but of course that didn't stop me from thinking about it).

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 28 mars 2013 - 11:54 .

[Batarang2o12]

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